Jonathan Cooper Review

[AbeBeta]

The architect of this OLine (Bill Callahan) preferred Parnell over Free. Garrett was the one that insisted on keeping Free as the starter.

Bill Callahan knows more about OLine play than Garrett. Nobody in their right mind would dispute that.

I expect you've spent the day picking cherries?

 

[diefree666]

I expect you've spent the day picking cherries?

pot meet kettle

 

[JBell]

BS.

Free's big contract was 32M and Parnell's was 32M. Free was cut and then re-signed to a lower contract before the original contract was over.

I've watched the Jags games. Parnell has been their best OL but the unit as a whole has been a disaster.

Last season they signed Beacham to play LT. He had by far his worst year. Despite that, the Jets signed Beacham to an 8M per year contract this offseason which indicates they thought his struggles were due to the team/scheme not the player.

You didn't take a look at the years did you?

Free: 4 years/32 mil = 8 mil per year
Parnell: 5 years/32 mil = 6.4 mil per year

Free: 17 mil guaranteed
Parnell: 14.5 mil guaranteed

And you have to consider there's inflation involved with Parnell getting his contract 4 years later (2011 vs. 2015) and Free STILL got paid more.

"Parnell has been their best OL but the unit as a whole has been a disaster"

Gonna need to see the receipts on this one. Parnell gave up 5 sacks last year, 10 penalties, and wasn't strong in the run game. And no mention from PFF:

22. Jacksonville Jaguars (23)

Top overall grade: C Brandon Linder, 87.6 (No. 5)

Top pass-blocking grade: LG Patrick Omameh, 84.6 (No. 19)

Top run-blocking grade: C Brandon Linder, 84.0 (No. 5)

edit: Don't wanna steal any more thunder from your OP though. Excited to see what Cooper can bring to the table.

 

[AbeBeta]

Sounds like some of the people here who want Jaylon Smith to fail as well.

I don't want him to fail. I want people to be realistic. This is a very low probability of success thing. I want nothing more than to be wrong.

But here's where we differ - I realize the bulk of our info on this player is negative. I don't cling to that and claim the vast minority is correct. I don't claim the actual experts are wrong.

Wow. Those last two sentences could apply more broadly but still reflect arrogant and ignorant views just the same

 

[diefree666]

I don't want him to fail. I want people to be realistic. This is a very low probability of success thing. I want nothing more than to be wrong.

But here's where we differ - I realize the bulk of our info on this player is negative. I don't cling to that and claim the vast minority is correct. I don't claim the actual experts are wrong.

Wow. Those last two sentences could apply more broadly but still reflect arrogant and ignorant views just the same

you cherry pick what you want to as much as you want to; does not make it any more credible then xwalker.

You deliberately ignoring the injuries trying to make Cooper look like a bum drops you below Xwalker

every time some one starts talking realistic I notice that its always very negative. Just code words you use crying for attention.

 

[Toruk_Makto]

You didn't take a look at the years did you?

Free: 4 years/32 mil = 8 mil per year
Parnell: 5 years/32 mil = 6.4 mil per year

Free: 17 mil guaranteed
Parnell: 14.5 mil guaranteed

And you have to consider there's inflation involved with Parnell getting his contract 4 years later (2011 vs. 2015) and Free STILL got paid more.

"Parnell has been their best OL but the unit as a whole has been a disaster"

Gonna need to see the receipts on this one. Parnell gave up 5 sacks last year, 10 penalties, and wasn't strong in the run game. And no mention from PFF:


edit: Don't wanna steal any more thunder from your OP though. Excited to see what Cooper can bring to the table.

I'll add I've seen reports that this is a make or break year for Parnell in Jacksonville as he has been very up and down.

Having said that... Yikes that's a lot of uppercut you dealt @xwalker.... All with facts. Good stuff.

 

[ElGatoGrande]

He was on a contract with 1 year remaining and he was injured. Why pay a player that can't play now and will be gone in a year. That's just how NE rolls in these situations.

Since Cleveland picked him up on waivers, NE owed him zero dollars.

I hope there's nothing more to it,,, and that his injury prone seasons are behind him. I remember hoping either Cooper or Warmack slid to us in that draft but they were both long gone before Dallas picked. Interesting note on that draft: the top 13 picked has only had two pro bowlers(neither Warmack or Cooper have ever been one). Dallas traded from #18 to #31 and in the span of those 13 picks there were 8 pro bowlers selected,,, including Travis Frederick.

 

[AbeBeta]

pot meet kettle

Yeah, guy is on his 4th team after being the #7 overall pick in the draft.. That's cherrypickin'.

 

[AbeBeta]

you cherry pick what you want to as much as you want to; does not make it any more credible then xwalker.

You deliberately ignoring the injuries trying to make Cooper look like a bum drops you below Xwalker

every time some one starts talking realistic I notice that its always very negative. Just code words you use crying for attention.

Yeah. Lots of teams going to give up early on #7 overall because he's hurt. Right...

 

[xwalker]

You didn't take a look at the years did you?

Free: 4 years/32 mil = 8 mil per year
Parnell: 5 years/32 mil = 6.4 mil per year

Free: 17 mil guaranteed
Parnell: 14.5 mil guaranteed

And you have to consider there's inflation involved with Parnell getting his contract 4 years later (2011 vs. 2015) and Free STILL got paid more.

"Parnell has been their best OL but the unit as a whole has been a disaster"

Gonna need to see the receipts on this one. Parnell gave up 5 sacks last year, 10 penalties, and wasn't strong in the run game. And no mention from PFF:


edit: Don't wanna steal any more thunder from your OP though. Excited to see what Cooper can bring to the table.

Did you get that from Wikipedia? Overthecap shows Free to have averaged 5M over 2011-2014 which was the duration of that original contract.

PFF has been repeatedly proven to be a joke. I'm sure you know that by now but people like to try to use them to make a point. If you don't know, about 1000 people from CZ will agree that PFF is crap.

You didn't get sacks given up from an official source like the NFL. People have reviewed PFF's sacks given up numbers and those have been proven wrong, sometimes by a large margin. It's a subjective evaluation on who was at fault on a sack.

The official stats have Free with 9 sacks given up last year.

 

[xwalker]

Yeah. Lots of teams going to give up early on #7 overall because he's hurt. Right...

They didn't cut him. They traded him for one of the top pass rushers in the league.

 

[dallasdave]

Sure hope Cooper can find his game again. He could be a good Cowboy. Him and the half crazy Moore.

Play some Ozzie

 

[dallasdave]

Well I have alot of optimism for him. I do like the decision to not resign Leary, and try him out instead. He was here in practice, the coaches had seen Cooper before they let Leary walk. We can't pay everyone, we have to find deals wherever we can find them.

Plus, unless he's all-pro, no reason to overpay for a guard. We have alot of other needs that could be satisfied.

Well said, there is only so much money to go around and the OL can't have all of IT !!!!

 

[AbeBeta]

They didn't cut him. They traded him for one of the top pass rushers in the league.

And a 2nd. The team that acquired him - a team who is amongst the strongest talent evaluators in the league cut him. Another team - a bad team who does OL really well, also cut him.

 

[CCBoy]

Yeah, guy is on his 4th team after being the #7 overall pick in the draft.. That's cherrypickin'.

Let's just use your pattern of points...you should know now, that your points are in left field...more than five people have disagreed with all of your views. That included some long time fans and sophisticated in their own views.

 

[CCBoy]

You didn't take a look at the years did you?

Free: 4 years/32 mil = 8 mil per year
Parnell: 5 years/32 mil = 6.4 mil per year

Free: 17 mil guaranteed
Parnell: 14.5 mil guaranteed

And you have to consider there's inflation involved with Parnell getting his contract 4 years later (2011 vs. 2015) and Free STILL got paid more.

"Parnell has been their best OL but the unit as a whole has been a disaster"

Gonna need to see the receipts on this one. Parnell gave up 5 sacks last year, 10 penalties, and wasn't strong in the run game. And no mention from PFF:


edit: Don't wanna steal any more thunder from your OP though. Excited to see what Cooper can bring to the table.

Uh, what was the final working contract values for Free, once he determined retirement was his choice?

 

[chagus]

There were both 1st round picks.
Their original teams gave up on them due to multiple years of injury problems.
They both came to the Cowboys in their 4th NFL season.
They were both 27 years old when they came to the Cowboys.

Whats even cooler is that Colombo is now Coopers asst oline coach. Who better in this PERFECT situation?

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

The architect of this OLine (Bill Callahan) preferred Parnell over Free. Garrett was the one that insisted on keeping Free as the starter.

Bill Callahan knows more about OLine play than Garrett. Nobody in their right mind would dispute that.

There is no evidence of this being the case. What he said is that Parnell could start for any team in the league. Not quite the same thing.

 

[Manwiththeplan]

They didn't cut him. They traded him for one of the top pass rushers in the league.

They traded Cooper and a second round pick for Jones. And when you consider they dealt Jamie Collins for a third, then it's not far fetched to assume Cooper was a throw in. After the synthetic marijuana thing, every knew New England was not signing Jones long term.

 

[Kaiser]

Free: 4 years/32 mil = 8 mil per year
Parnell: 5 years/32 mil = 6.4 mil per year

Free: 17 mil guaranteed
Parnell: 14.5 mil guaranteed

Two things left out of that are that Free was given his big contract after playing a year at LT and that he was terrible in 2011 and 2012. He was given a huge contract and promptly had two poor seasons, in 2012 he was the league leader in holding penalties and among the leaders in pressures allowed. He was probably the worst starting OT in the NFL that year, which is why he was forced to take a paycut.

I know you were posting then, there were a ton of threads about what a bad decision it was to give Free that contract.