Jonathan Cooper Review

[xwalker]

There is no evidence of this being the case. What he said is that Parnell could start for any team in the league. Not quite the same thing.

Wrong.

 

[xwalker]

They traded Cooper and a second round pick for Jones. And when you consider they dealt Jamie Collins for a third, then it's not far fetched to assume Cooper was a throw in. After the synthetic marijuana thing, every knew New England was not signing Jones long term.

It was a trade. He was not cut. That's fact. Anything else is just a guess.

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

Wrong.

Your assertion. You have no proof as per usual. I will demonstrate how to show proof:

Heck, just last week Callahan said Parnell can start for any team in the NFL.

http://www.espn.com/blog/dallas/cow...se-bill-callahan-but-line-isnt-going-anywhere

 

[CCBoy]

Your assertion. You have no proof as per usual. I will demonstrate how to show proof:



http://www.espn.com/blog/dallas/cow...se-bill-callahan-but-line-isnt-going-anywhere

Fuzzy, is this true resolution hunting or more of an agenda reflex?

 

[Manwiththeplan]

It was a trade. He was not cut. That's fact. Anything else is just a guess.

And claiming they traded him for one of the best pass rushers in the league, is not a fact. They traded him and a second rounder for Jones, that is a fact. It's also a fact that a few games into the season, the Patriots cut Cooper.

You can decide that you don't want to reach any conclusions based off these events, but it's clear that Cooper was given up on by Arizona, and not just traded for one of the top pass rushers, as you say. It's clear that New England wasn't happy with his performance, whether it was due to injury or not, simply because the amount owed to Cooper was a small amount compared to their cap space. It's also clear that Cleveland didn't think as highly of his play as you do considering they released a 27 year old guard with a few weeks remaining in the season. If he was good, like you say, why not hold him and at least attempt to resign him at the end of the season?

And this spring and an UFA, did he receive any interest from anyone besides us?

 

[CCBoy]

And claiming they traded him for one of the best pass rushers in the league, is not a fact. They traded him and a second rounder for Jones, that is a fact. It's also a fact that a few games into the season, the Patriots cut Cooper.

You can decide that you don't want to reach any conclusions based off these events, but it's clear that Cooper was given up on by Arizona, and not just traded for one of the top pass rushers, as you say. It's clear that New England wasn't happy with his performance, whether it was due to injury or not, simply because the amount owed to Cooper was a small amount compared to their cap space. It's also clear that Cleveland didn't think as highly of his play as you do considering they released a 27 year old guard with a few weeks remaining in the season. If he was good, like you say, why not hold him and at least attempt to resign him at the end of the season?

And this spring and an UFA, did he receive any interest from anyone besides us?

First off, you proved little actual fact beyond a generalization...the Cowboys ended up with him. As to the rest, a group of stereotypes don't truly get to reason behind agendas...

and with such an authoritarian response, would might also expect you to provide in depth analysis and team insights as to why they each chose to go in yet another direction. My guess, injury and team needs requiring shorter termed development and healing were the causes. But as presented, little more than assumption is presented above.

The Cowboys (1) have worked with the player long enough to know if he presents actual value to their system and positional requirements (2) there is very little indication that the team on issue of player talents and ability to acquire results in their own system, is anything but top shelf now, in Dallas.

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

Fuzzy, is this true resolution hunting or more of an agenda reflex?

X is one of the worst sophists on the board. He comes to a conclusion first and then tries to make facts fit. In doing so, he regularly makes things up and when asked to show proof changes the subject or just dismisses you like he does here.

The only resolution I look for is objective truth. His method is contrary to that. So both I guess.

 

[CCBoy]

X is one of the worst sophists on the board. He comes to a conclusion first and then tries to make facts fit. In doing so, he regularly makes things up and when asked to show proof changes the subject or just dismisses you like he does here.

The only resolution I look for is objective truth. His method is contrary to that. So both I guess.

Understood, but the guy has a ton of good observations and goes by what his eye picks up...kind of shooting from the hip.

I appreciate you both...

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

Understood, but the guy has a ton of good observations and goes by what his eye picks up...kind of shooting from the hip.

I appreciate you both...

That is not all he goes by is what the issue is. He is like a politician mixing truth with lie to make it seem credible. I can take the good with the bad but that does not mean the bad just gets a pass.

Callahan did not say that. And when asked for proof he dissembles or disappears. I cannot respect that.

 

[CCBoy]

That is not all he goes by is what the issue is. He is like a politician mixing truth with lie to make it seem credible. I can take the good with the bad but that does not mean the bad just gets a pass.

Callahan did not say that. And when asked for proof he dissembles or disappears. I cannot respect that.

Fuzzy, I understand your feelings...

 

[Scotman]

I would have liked to have kept Leary. That said, I suppose we just couldn't. He really needed to be signed before the start of last season, not after. I think he had a bad taste in his mouth.

All that said, I'm really hoping Cooper plays to his potential. I rank him right there with Chaz Green. We need both of them, but neither has been reliable. If either of them actually pans out, I'll be happy.

 

[Stash]

That is not all he goes by is what the issue is. He is like a politician mixing truth with lie to make it seem credible. I can take the good with the bad but that does not mean the bad just gets a pass.

Callahan did not say that. And when asked for proof he dissembles or disappears. I cannot respect that.

Just wait until he blocks you because he can't take the beatings any longer. And then he'll take potshots at you from behind his personal Great Wall. It's hilarious!

 

[Manwiththeplan]

First off, you proved little actual fact beyond a generalization...the Cowboys ended up with him. As to the rest, a group of stereotypes don't truly get to reason behind agendas...

and with such an authoritarian response, would might also expect you to provide in depth analysis and team insights as to why they each chose to go in yet another direction. My guess, injury and team needs requiring shorter termed development and healing were the causes. But as presented, little more than assumption is presented above.

The Cowboys (1) have worked with the player long enough to know if he presents actual value to their system and positional requirements (2) there is very little indication that the team on issue of player talents and ability to acquire results in their own system, is anything but top shelf now, in Dallas.

My authoritarian answer is in direct response to X saying "it was a trade. He was not cut. That's fact. Anything else is a guess."

I have no doubt, nor am I saying injuries did not play a major role in the decisions these teams made, but it's clear that three teams gave up on him. You can try and say Arizona didn't, but considering the value they got for him, the did. You can say NE was just making a buisness decision, but if he showed much while he was there, they would have kept him and signed him cheap like we did. And you can say Cleveland is bad, so their decisions don't count, but they deemed him not worth keeping even until the end of the season. Even Cleveland doesn't cut players, who are playing good, right before the season ends.

This may be the spot where he turns it around, I don't know, but his play at this point, made him expendable to three teams, and made the other 28 teams, not interested too much in giving him a try.

 

[CCBoy]

My authoritarian answer is in direct response to X saying "it was a trade. He was not cut. That's fact. Anything else is a guess."

I have no doubt, nor am I saying injuries did not play a major role in the decisions these teams made, but it's clear that three teams gave up on him. You can try and say Arizona didn't, but considering the value they got for him, the did. You can say NE was just making a buisness decision, but if he showed much while he was there, they would have kept him and signed him cheap like we did. And you can say Cleveland is bad, so their decisions don't count, but they deemed him not worth keeping even until the end of the season. Even Cleveland doesn't cut players, who are playing good, right before the season ends.

This may be the spot where he turns it around, I don't know, but his play at this point, made him expendable to three teams, and made the other 28 teams, not interested too much in giving him a try.

Hey, that was a pretty good post...do that more often.

 

[big dog cowboy]

I would have liked to have kept Leary. That said, I suppose we just couldn't. He really needed to be signed before the start of last season, not after. I think he had a bad taste in his mouth.

The Cowboys could have and they chose not to. People seem for forget he is playing on borrowed time with his knee and signing him to a long deal is very risky. Clearly the Cowboys chose not to make that gamble.

 

[xwalker]

And claiming they traded him for one of the best pass rushers in the league, is not a fact. They traded him and a second rounder for Jones, that is a fact. It's also a fact that a few games into the season, the Patriots cut Cooper.

You can decide that you don't want to reach any conclusions based off these events, but it's clear that Cooper was given up on by Arizona, and not just traded for one of the top pass rushers, as you say. It's clear that New England wasn't happy with his performance, whether it was due to injury or not, simply because the amount owed to Cooper was a small amount compared to their cap space. It's also clear that Cleveland didn't think as highly of his play as you do considering they released a 27 year old guard with a few weeks remaining in the season. If he was good, like you say, why not hold him and at least attempt to resign him at the end of the season?

And this spring and an UFA, did he receive any interest from anyone besides us?

I didn't think anyone was dumb enough to think I meant he was traded straight up for Chandler Jones. Obviously he was part of the package.

With the Patriots, he was injured in training camp. He only had 1 year on his contract. They would have to pay a player that might not be returning to the team but can't play at the time of his release due to injury.

The release from Cleveland was the only one that seemed odd to me; although, I think his agent asked for his release if he was not going to be a starter.

 

[speedkilz88]

You didn't take a look at the years did you?

Free: 4 years/32 mil = 8 mil per year
Parnell: 5 years/32 mil = 6.4 mil per year

Free: 17 mil guaranteed
Parnell: 14.5 mil guaranteed

And you have to consider there's inflation involved with Parnell getting his contract 4 years later (2011 vs. 2015) and Free STILL got paid more.

"Parnell has been their best OL but the unit as a whole has been a disaster"

Gonna need to see the receipts on this one. Parnell gave up 5 sacks last year, 10 penalties, and wasn't strong in the run game. And no mention from PFF:


edit: Don't wanna steal any more thunder from your OP though. Excited to see what Cooper can bring to the table.

The Cowboys over paid Free on his 2nd contract when they thought he was their future LT and he had not been exposed with having weak hands by Smith of the 49ers.

In 2013 the Cowboys threatened Free to lower his base salaries or be released. 2013 base of 7 million was reduced to 3.5 and 2014 was also reduced to 3.5

In 2015 the Cowboys and Free agreed to a 3 year 15 million deal.

 

[AbeBeta]

Let's just use your pattern of points...you should know now, that your points are in left field...more than five people have disagreed with all of your views. That included some long time fans and sophisticated in their own views.

More than five people have disagreed with the facts I presented. Sorry, facts actually matter

 

[AbeBeta]

The Cowboys over paid Free on his 2nd contract when they thought he was their future LT and he had not been exposed with having weak hands by Smith of the 49ers.

In 2013 the Cowboys threatened Free to lower his base salaries or be released. 2013 base of 7 million was reduced to 3.5 and 2014 was also reduced to 3.5

In 2015 the Cowboys and Free agreed to a 3 year 15 million deal.

We overpaid Free? That's not correct he was coming off some very good seasons. In fact, people on this board were calling him Doug Freak because of his athleticism.

 

[CCBoy]

More than five people have disagreed with the facts I presented. Sorry, facts actually matter

over five in disagreement is as viable as using one's own view with a justification...but my efforts aren't aimed at you, just an attempt at moderation given to 'cause'