Jones averaging 4.1 yards per carry

[2233boys]

Honestly, the only games of great concern to me are the ones where he averaged in the 2 yard-per-carry range. I don't think it's realistic to expect him to average over 4 yards a carry in every game because he's not yet a great back and possibly will never be.

I don't like the trend of late, but considering that Jones is a "home run" back, less carries could easily be contributing to that.

Also, thank you for being civil in your disagreement. I don't understand why some people have to be a jerk when they disagree with you.

People act like a jerk to you because you keep saying the same stupid ******** ****. Sorry... It is what it is, just as JJ is what he is, an average to below average back that can't carry MBIII's Jock...

 

[gimmesix]

People act like a jerk to you because you keep saying the same stupid ******** ****. Sorry... It is what it is, just as JJ is what he is, an average to below average back that can't carry MBIII's Jock...

Actually, your the only jerk I've encountered in this thread. So congratulations.

It's amazing how some people can draw conclusions without any kind of conclusive evidence and in contrast to the guy coaching these players.

Reminds me of the time when people were calling for Hambrick to replace Emmitt because of his "greater" average as a backup. I believe Barber is a better back than Hambrick, but we do not know how he would fair as the lead dog.

 

[Rack]

A 4.1 average makes Jones a good back. I didn't say he's special. Tomlinson is special. If you can get me one of those, I'll take it.

No it doesn't, it makes him average (at best).


Yes long runs help a RBs average (duh) but good RBs end up with a lot better then a 4.1 average after those long runs.


I bet if you took LT's 5 longest runs out of his average, he'd still average more then 4.1 per carry.


Of course it's not fair to use LT as an example, but you get the point.

 

[2233boys]

Actually, your the only jerk I've encountered in this thread. So congratulations.

It's amazing how some people can draw conclusions without any kind of conclusive evidence and in contrast to the guy coaching these players.

Reminds me of the time when people were calling for Hambrick to replace Emmitt because of his "greater" average as a backup. I believe Barber is a better back than Hambrick, but we do not know how he would fair as the lead dog.

No Evidence? :bang2:

8 out of 14 games this season isn't proof enough? What about his horrid year last year? Or the injuries that have limited his play 2 out of the 3 seasons he has been here?

This debate is nothing like the Emmitt vs Hambrick debate. Fatty did nothing, had nothing and only morons were calling for him and Emmitt was clearly the best rb on the team. Tapper does nothing, has nothing and the more astute, obeservant and rational Cowboys fans are call for Barber and Barber is clearly the best rb on the team

 

[Jarv]

No Evidence? :bang2:

8 out of 14 games this season isn't proof enough? What about his horrid year last year? Or the injuries that have limited his play 2 out of the 3 seasons he has been here?

This debate is nothing like the Emmitt vs Hambrick debate. Fatty did nothing, had nothing and only morons were calling for him and Emmitt was clearly the best rb on the team. Tapper does nothing, has nothing and the more astute, obeservant and rational Cowboys fans are call for Barber and Barber is clearly the best rb on the team

Then BP must be an idiot because he doesn't agree with you and is starting Jones. Hmmm...2233boys vs. BP, can I see your resume ?

 

[superpunk]

4.1 is a nice enough number, 21st in the league, but it's over 4, that's what you're looking for. Julius has not been even close to that RECENTLY, though, which is where the problem is. Over the last 9 games, 36% of Julius' carries have been for 2 yards or less.

A whopping 21% of his carries in those 9 games have been for 0 or negative yardage!!!!!

It's not good, no matter how you slice it. He's putting us in bad positions. Thank goodness Romo can convert long third downs. Just putting it out there - there might be a reason Romo has been so good late in half's. Which RB is out there, then?

 

[superpunk]

Then BP must be an idiot because he doesn't agree with you and is starting Jones. Hmmm...2233boys vs. BP, can I see your resume ?

I think Bill is just hoping Julius gets out of his funk. Because if he does, he's a very effective back. Unfortunately, he hasn't been a very effective back the last 9 games.

 

[2233boys]

4.1 is a nice enough number, 21st in the league, but it's over 4, that's what you're looking for. Julius has not been even close to that RECENTLY, though, which is where the problem is. Over the last 9 games, 36% of Julius' carries have been for 2 yards or less.

A whopping 21% of his carries in those 9 games have been for 0 or negative yardage!!!!!

It's not good, no matter how you slice it. He's putting us in bad positions. Thank goodness Romo can convert long third downs. Just putting it out there - there might be a reason Romo has been so good late in half's. Which RB is out there, then?

Great point!

 

[2233boys]

Then BP must be an idiot because he doesn't agree with you and is starting Jones. Hmmm...2233boys vs. BP, can I see your resume ?

You said it not me...

 

[Jarv]

You said it not me...

Well to be honest, I have said it in the past also...lol...Just not for this particular point. I'm such a hypocrit.

 

[Next_years_Champs]

Then BP must be an idiot because he doesn't agree with you and is starting Jones. Hmmm...2233boys vs. BP, can I see your resume ?

:fact:

 

[EPL0c0]

I can't believe so many Cowboys fans are being so hard on Jones when he is a STARTING running back averaging over 4 yards a carry.

Yes, Barber is averaging more as a backup, but all I've ever desired is a starter breaking the 4-yard mark. A thousand yards can be very misleading, but usually yards per carry can tell you whether your starter is being successful overall or not. (Although yards per carry for a backup can be more skewed by a few long runs.)

If Jones was averaging under 4, I could understand the uproar. But at 4.1, I think he has shown he deserves more respect than he's getting. Go back and look at the great Emmitt's career numbers — he only averaged more than 4.2 yards per carry (twice) in four of his 15 seasons.

I think it's like what BP said the other day when asked why he thought MBIII does so well. Because the defense is tired.

I'm sure if you pounded it w/ MBIII to start the game, then bring in JJones in the 2nd half to clean things up, he could potentially break off lots of big runs.

It's possible... but then ppl would be whining that Jones should be the starter..

 

[2233boys]

I think it's like what BP said the other day when asked why he thought MBIII does so well. Because the defense is tired.

I'm sure if you pounded it w/ MBIII to start the game, then bring in JJones in the 2nd half to clean things up, he could potentially break off lots of big runs.

It's possible... but then ppl would be whining that Jones should be the starter..

It isn't the same thing it has nothing to do with tired defenses when JJ runs it has everything to do with him not knowing what the hell he is doing.

If the roles were reveresed Barber would still be doing what he is doing and Jones would still be doing what he is doing.

 

[burmafrd]

I have stayed out of this. NOTICE.

 

[Rack]

I have stayed out of this. NOTICE.

Probably cuz you finally realize no one is buying your "Parcells ruined him" routine.

 

[superpunk]

I posted this in another thread. I didn't get any real response to any of it, but it sheds some light on why those of us who are dissatisfied with JJ's play, are not buying some of the excuses, and just want better play. Not necessarily by replacing JJ, just better play, somehow. I don't buy that he's doing what he's being coached to do - I think that's ridiculous. Statistically -

I did a breakdown myself of the past 9 games, because if Julius was not losing yardage, and getting 3 yards just about every down, I can live with that. It's not impressive, but yes, it's what Parcells wants.

Here's how Julius breaks down over that span.

Runs of no gain or negative yardage - 30
Gains of 1 yard - 13
Gains of 2 yards - 18
Gains of 3 yards - 27
Gains of 4 yards - 13
Gains of 5 yards - 13
Gains of 6-10 yards - 16
Gains of 11-20 yards - 9
Gains of 20+ yards 1

You can see for yourself where my problem with him lies. The mantra has been that he's doing what Parcells wants him to. Not losing yardage, not stringing it out for an extra cut. That's just not true. He is losing yardage, pretty consistently, and he's not doing what Parcells wants him to.

 

[Joe_Fan]

he is the same streaky back he has always been and he falls too soon and lacks vision. He looked a ton better earlier in the year, and his 77 yard run againt the saints helped his average quite a bit. He is a one dimensional back with little to no vision and he rarely runs with the kind of heart I want to see in the Starting running back of the dallas cowboys.

 

[Joe_Fan]

I posted this in another thread. I didn't get any real response to any of it, but it sheds some light on why those of us who are dissatisfied with JJ's play, are not buying some of the excuses, and just want better play. Not necessarily by replacing JJ, just better play, somehow. I don't buy that he's doing what he's being coached to do - I think that's ridiculous. Statistically -

I did a breakdown myself of the past 9 games, because if Julius was not losing yardage, and getting 3 yards just about every down, I can live with that. It's not impressive, but yes, it's what Parcells wants.

Here's how Julius breaks down over that span.

Runs of no gain or negative yardage - 30
Gains of 1 yard - 13
Gains of 2 yards - 18
Gains of 3 yards - 27
Gains of 4 yards - 13
Gains of 5 yards - 13
Gains of 6-10 yards - 16
Gains of 11-20 yards - 9
Gains of 20+ yards 1

You can see for yourself where my problem with him lies. The mantra has been that he's doing what Parcells wants him to. Not losing yardage, not stringing it out for an extra cut. That's just not true. He is losing yardage, pretty consistently, and he's not doing what Parcells wants him to.

 

[Zimmy Lives]

Jones appears to be a solid, but not great, back. He lacks the one intangible --wish I knew what it was -- that separates great backs from good backs. He starts, however, because Parcells is more concerned with having a solid running game than having a great back. Jones and Barber give the Cowboys a solid running game.

 

[true_north]

Shaun Alexander's hasn't.

Of course, he's averaging just 3.4 yards per carry.

They should trade him. You can find someone in the draft that can give you 3.4 YPC for a lot less money.