Jones Says Record Won't Be Deciding Factor For Garrett

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Yeah, no - not quite desperate, I only scrolled through the first couple of entries in good ole google.

So by your narrow example definition of "grand proclamation" - fine.

He'll never fire a coach midseason, yada.

http://sports.espn.go.com/dallas/nfl/news/story?id=5697592

Jones addressed Phillips' job status without prompting in the Cowboys' locker room after Sunday's penalty-plagued 24-21 loss to the Minnesota Vikings at the Metrodome. He reminded reporters that he had never fired a coach in midseason and said that Phillips would not be the first.

"I would never consider doing that during the season," Jones said.


Of course, the goal posts will be moved as Im sure grand proclamation and the use of the finite adverb NEVER are incompatible when referring to anything other than team names
Full Definition of NEVER
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: not ever : at no time <I never met her>
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: not in any degree : not under any condition <never the wiser for his experience>


I get your position, Jerry is the proverbial Christopher Hitchens of the NFL in oratory eloquence and concise points and the Bob Baker of press marionettes.

Okay. You found one example of Jerry saying one thing and then doing another.

Now you can try to figure out WHY he originally said what he said about Wade's job security even though he ended up changing his mind.

Then you can apply it to the current situation!

At the time, did Jerry have anything to gain by publicly opening the door for Wade's in-season firing?

Does he have anything to gain now by telling the media that "Garrett will surely be fired if __ happens?"

In each situation, could a potential distraction have arisen if Jerry had told the media that "Wade could get canned midseason" or "Garrett's gone if we lose 8 games again"?

There's your answer! Not rocket science.
 

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Actions speak louder than words. No accountability for the team of Garrett.

Uh, so which "action" were you expecting from Jerry in his presser? Don't you hate it when your cliches get exposed as being completely nonsensical in the situation you used it in?

I hear Garrett's so hungry he can eat a horse!
 

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Great blog by Bob Sturm IMO, I only posted the part where he talks about Garrett.



On my way to camp in 2013, I was pretty sure that head coach Jason Garrett was under extreme pressure to produce a winning season of great substance or face the gallows. His life cycle had been nearing the point where either you show us that you are the next great architect of the Cowboys or you are replaced. He then oversaw a season that finished with the exact frustrating conclusion (lose 3 of 4 in December with a disappointing final death blow at the hands of a division rival) as 2011 and 2012 featured. Not only did this not result in his dismissal, but it almost seemed to fortify his position here. I was amazed.

There is no question that a reasonable search of this blog's archives would reveal that I have been a Jason Garrett supporter for much of his tenure. I think he is a very smart man who has plenty of ability and is certainly hamstrung with limitations his organization provides that are not his fault, nor does he have the ability to repair. And yet, a student of the NFL knows that the margins in this league are non-existent and to consider a 2013 season where games that were lost that simply should not have been lost again cost this team its prize seems to be a very problematic issue.

Over the last few weeks, I have reviewed 2013 and come to terms with the details and results. However, there are 2 games in that schedule that remain games that were "fireable offenses" as it pertains to a coach in his 4th season without a playoff berth. They were, at Detroit and home to Green Bay. I plan on reviewing the 2013 season in great detail as July and August carry on, but in short, the Detroit and Green Bay games are both won if the Head Coach simply plays the percentages and conventional thinking.

Taking a knee on 3rd Down in Detroit takes the clock to almost nothing. Instead, the Cowboys ran the ball, took a penalty, and stopped the clock - allowing for the Lions to have another chance against the horrendous secondary that the Cowboys had on the field that day against Calvin Johnson.

Meanwhile, the ability to lose a game in which you were ahead 26-3 at home against a Green Bay team that had seemed to quit and did not have Aaron Rodgers on the field would have been the end of many coaches with the dreaded phone call from the owner the next morning.
Win either of those games and your season changes. Win them both and the Philadelphia game would not have mattered as they would not have been able to catch Dallas. Instead, they lost them both and in my estimation, despite logical shared blame, the decisions made by the head coach too closely resembled the decisions that cost this team valuable games in 2011 and 2012. In short, it seemed that the Cowboys had a rookie coach making rookie coaching mistakes. The experience at the helm was not showing in the team's results.

And if he cannot be fired after that season, I honestly wonder how hot the temperature on his seat might be in 2014. Maybe not hot at all. Perhaps, he is simply blessed by having an owner that is determined for this relationship to work and will not alter his path at this stage of the game. I would have fired Garrett after the Washington loss in 2012, but perhaps Jerry will not fire Garrett even after a 2014 that disappoints. It seems to be my mistake to misread the urgency of the owner as badly as I clearly did.

Garrett is the 10th longest tenured coach in the NFL now, and nobody else in the Top 15 in coaching tenure lacks playoff wins or at least a division title. Garrett doesn't even have a playoff berth, let alone a win or a divisional title.

Is Garrett the man for this job or are the Cowboys spinning their wheels for another season of similar results? Are the issues deeper and not fixable by a coach, or are those deeper issues the reason that you must have a coach who is part of the solution and not part of the problem?
If this was my team, I would likely be introducing Mike Zimmer or someone else as my new head coach in 2014. But, I am clearly not in that position of authority.

Garrett is still the coach here, and he sits to the right of Jerry Jones as they meet the media on the tennis court in Oxnard.

We are back and so is he. For his sake and the sake of all Cowboys' fans, let's hope that experience will start to pay off.


If one were to attack the credibility of Jason Garrett, this is the best explanation on how to do it logically. There were solid points as to why Jason should already have been shown the door.

Win or not, the team is still being rebuilt and pointing upward...and that is the saving grace for a reprieve by Jerry Jones. But he had better get some solidarity and results from a team that now wears his mark on the history of a Cowboys team. If not a strong finish this season, another may be called to finish the job started when Wade Phillips was let loose. But to also forge a winner now.

I believe in good men...so I'm holding out for a showing this very season. Both for the fans, but for the Cowboys themselves. They deserve some real success now.
 

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Uh, so which "action" were you expecting from Jerry in his presser? Don't you hate it when your cliches get exposed as being completely nonsensical in the situation you used it in?

I hear Garrett's so hungry he can eat a horse!

That JJ didn't mean anything stated in the press conference (no expectations)??? Cliches are sometimes used to avoid having to spell out the obvious to sensible readers. It insults their intelligence.
 

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That JJ didn't mean anything stated in the press conference (no expectations)??? Cliches are sometimes used to avoid having to spell out the obvious to sensible readers. It insults their intelligence.

Haha you put FAR too much weight on what these guys say in press conferences.

Jerry's goal in these pressere is to sell the team to the fans and to keep the media from potentially dragging the team's focus away from football. That's it.

But people like you, for some inexplicable reason, prefer to think that these pressers are Jerry's vessel to "send a message" if there is a message to be sent. But it gets worse! You ALSO believe that if he doesn't send a particular message in his presser, then that means this particular message ALSO isn't being communicated behind closed doors!

It's hilarious but also kind of sad. Seriously, you guys need to learn about the media's role in sports.
 

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Haha you put FAR too much weight on what these guys say in press conferences.

Jerry's goal in these pressere is to sell the team to the fans and to keep the media from potentially dragging the team's focus away from football. That's it.

But people like you, for some inexplicable reason, prefer to think that these pressers are Jerry's vessel to "send a message" if there is a message to be sent. But it gets worse! You ALSO believe that if he doesn't send a particular message in his presser, then that means this particular message ALSO isn't being communicated behind closed doors!

It's hilarious but also kind of sad. Seriously, you guys need to learn about the media's role in sports.

You just said what I "cliched"?
 

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6-10? if he MISSES THE PLAYOFFS he needs to be GONE or you're compromising what this franchise stands for.

no arguments from me.

I was throwing out a record that even Jones couldnt "excuse away" 8-8 - "We were this close again", 7-9 "1 Bad break"..... 6-10 that is one bounce from Campo
 

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This seems to say that stupid is as stupid does, concerning any learning process involving Jerry Jones. That is left field stuff here.

Jerry is deathly realistic in analysis of a business direction involving any and all cash flows. He is thorough to a fault.

Through the formative decade, before Jerry pushed to become directly involved with a team in the NFL...he did his homework and talked with executives, knowledgeable GM's, owners, and talent evaluators/coaches throughout the NFL. He got his feet set before setting about to becoming a head of a business venture.

Oh, he had to take a then floundering franchise, and rebuild that along progressive and effective economic principals to meet a sporting venue. This he had sound foundations for, both within the Dallas organization and through the league as a whole.

He had full knowledge of the Murchisons, as well as the management structure of the Cowboys and into the decline of the Landry era. The whole organization had just become old...but there were principals involved with coaching and it's limitations which were pressed upon the knowledge of Jerry.

Jerry had started Jimmy Johnson off with a guaranteed 10 year contract, but Jimmy was selfish and didn't want personally convenient roles as a Head Coach, he wanted power as well. When the break up occurred, Jerry had to come to grips with motivation and espectations involved with a head coach and when he is driven by personal as opposed to organizational benefit.

That relationship was short lived, as was the transition out of a dynasty and free agency period. He observed strengths and weaknesses in the ensuing coaches coming into Dallas, including Switzer, Campo, and Gailey. He learned short term and long termed evaluations as a GM has to frame in that function.

He brought in an old school head coach in the person of Bill Parcells. But he didn't last the transition, due to his own age and wear. But it taught Jerry another lesson on having to stop in the still formative period in a team's development.

In walked, Wade Phillips, who could take what was formed under Bill Parcells, but he couldn't accomplish beyond holding onto what was already there. He soon lost a hand hold upon his own team...but Jerry learned that end of change and not having the field presence to expand growth and sustain successes. The year that should have resulted in a Lombardi, saw an upstart overtake a complete team, when the Giants went their own route to a Super Bowl.

But Jerry learned there as well...and has put all the better points into a person being fed all the points for a sustainable and developing franchise, in the person of Jason Garrett. But even having passed on knowledge, and forging ahead even further, Jerry knows that there also is an overriding element. One has to be paid for what he accomplished. That is why Jason Garrett hasn't been given a lifetime key to the kingdom...that still has to be earned. And Jerry knows that as well.

The more of these delusional, fantasy driven posts I see on this board, the more I am reminded of the parable of The Emperor's New Clothes. As you might remember from that story, two scam artists (translation: Jerry Jones starring in a dual role) tell everyone in the kingdom that if people are not able to see the fine garments they are weaving it's only because they are not worthy of their position (translation: If you can't see what a fine job Jason is doing rebuilding this roster - which went 11-5 with a playoff win the year before he took over, btw - then you are just not "football smart").

In the parable, the little kid who realized that the emperor actually was naked (translation: myself and more than a few posters on this board who can see what a farce this truly is) is able to make people realize they had been scammed. Unfortunately, for a lot of posters on this board, the scam (or more accurately, the self-constructed delusional fantasy continues, unchecked.


Monte Sliger
 

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garrett is the real deal, if you people cannot see how this guy is building this team, you had better get glasses and a cliff note for football. you guys believe that garrett is jerry's puppet, garrett just knows how to work with jerry and in turn he gets what he wants and needs to continue to build the winning team that he is puttin together

Yep.

If anyone can't see the improvement between 8-8, 8-8, and 8-8, they 'had better get glasses'. Blue tinted ones work especially well...

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He didn't back up what he said with a contract extension for Garrett, did he? Until Garrett signs and extension, he likely needs to do pretty well to remain in place.

How do you knnnnnoooow there is not a secret extension?
 

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It's always amusing when people plan a witch burning but the guy who has the matches won't light the fire.

Nor should he.

What's also amusing is when people continue to bang the drum when the results aren't there.

8-8, 8-8, 8-8.

There's no illusions anymore.

No delusions of grandeur.

No reputation around the league.

In a results driven league, the results are in.

And they're clear.
 

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I challenge anyone to find 8 games that we will be favored in, this schedule is tough.

I agree. But I remember a couple of years ago I didn't think we'd get to 8-8. Some teams that appeared tough fell apart like Pittsburgh and we somehow beat them. Things happen.
 

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http://www.dallascowboys.com/news/a...-Garrett/0e292b62-ac9c-456e-9f2e-b36c70e209bb



If the HC has nothing to fear than what sort of precedent does that set for the players?

How can there be a "chain of command" so to speak if it seems to be broken from the top down?

Where is the light at the end of the tunnel here?

I don't understand the hissy fit everyone is making over this (including the talking heads). What was he supposed to say .... "if we don't at least go 9-8 Garrett's tail is out the door"!!! Grow up people.
 

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"Garrett is the 10th longest tenured coach in the NFL now, and nobody else in the Top 15 in coaching tenure lacks playoff wins or at least a division title. Garrett doesn't even have a playoff berth, let alone a win or a divisional title."

Let that sink in for a while. This franchise has hit all kinds of "lows" so Jerry can be feel comfortable and continue to be the ugly face of this franchise.
 

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I agree that Jerry's comments can't be taken too seriously,

Very true.

Its funny tho, many say this but when they can grab onto a Jerry comment that they can use to support their agenda, or self perceived accurate knowledge of all the inner workings of the franchise, any sense of reason or rational thinking that they may have had is cast aside gleefully and they latch onto the comment like a bulldog with a bone.

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