Jordan Shipley... draft status?

[peplaw06]

so you name 1 other white wr...... and a lot of white tightends are very slow like Witten. we need a fast wr.

You don't think Shipley's fast? Million to one he beats you in a footrace.

 

[Rampage]

You don't think Shipley's fast? Million to one he beats you in a footrace.

I think he's got good speed. I don't think he's as fast as most people think and I don't think he will be that fast in the NFL.

 

[Shady12]

He's very fast, probably sub 4.45, but fast is fast, and he'll be a slot guy, where it's more about quickness, where he excels. Quick twitch athlete, even a good leaper.

 

[peplaw06]

I think he's got good speed. I don't think he's as fast as most people think and I don't think he will be that fast in the NFL.

He's got a 40 time. You think he's just going to get slower for some reason? The pads heavier in the NFL?

 

[Rampage]

He's got a 40 time. You think he's just going to get slower for some reason? The pads heavier in the NFL?

40 times are overrated.

 

[rkell87]

my point is white wrs are practically extinct these days. it's a big risk and I would perfer a black wr.

wow. and this is why until now we havent had a black president. i hope you dont call for a black QB.

and besides you could say white people are practically extinct in the nfl but if you can play it should not matter what color you are.

(note to mods this is not a poltical post just a shot at a line of thinking using the most visible example...do not delete)

 

[silverbear]

If you say so but a lot of members on the board hyped Amendola to no end. Before he even played in a game. It was type ridiculous and the reasoning behind it IMO was because he was white.

I can't speak for the rest of the Armadillo fans, but I hyped him because it was fun to do... no other reason, really...

Irvin was a great player and great team mate. He always wanted to win and is a HoF WR from the U. I guess guys from the U like Reggie Wayne and Andre Johnson who also played WR are clearly players you would stay away from right? The U is like a pipeline of NFL talent and we really need to get some players from the U.

I see-- in your world, all players from the University of Texas are to be avoided like the plague, but all players from "the U" are future NFL studs... kinda makes you wonder why UT is a perennial contender for national championships, while "the U" hasn't been a real factor in that race for a long time now... I mean, what with the way they get all these great players, while Texas makes do with not quite ready for prime time players...

Perhaps the most idiotic personnel evaluators out there employ your kind of thinking...

 

[MarionBarberThe4th]

I dont like generalisations. If you like a USC WR, a Miami QB, a top 5 safety. I dont care that Landry is so-so. Id take Eric Berry top 5.

 

[Biggems]

I dont like generalisations. If you like a USC WR, a Miami QB, a top 5 safety. I dont care that Landry is so-so. Id take Eric Berry top 5.

they are acceptable to an extent. like Florida WRs and QBs...you avoid them like the plague....but that was from the Spurrier era. They have gone through the Zook and now Meyer eras. So Perhaps that logic has changed. Harvin will probably be way different than past ** WR failures.

Wisconsin gives the NFL solid OL. Alvarez and his staff had a way of grooming these beasts for the riggers of NFL play. Alvarez is gone, but I believe the staff remained basically the same, with one of his assistants taking over at HC. So it is safe to generalize that Wisconsin OL are going to be solid in the NFL.....this same assertion can be made for Iowa OL.

But yes, there are many times when generalizations can be annoying, unfair, and quite frankly a foolish argument. We are all guilty of using them.....

 

[Rampage]

wow. and this is why until now we havent had a black president. i hope you dont call for a black QB.

and besides you could say white people are practically extinct in the nfl but if you can play it should not matter what color you are.

(note to mods this is not a poltical post just a shot at a line of thinking using the most visible example...do not delete)

I don't care who the President is. I will never call for a black qb. I just think Shipley is being overrated by UT fans and I would rather not draft him especially early in the draft. the white wr thing is more of a joke. I'm a white guy. but I would seriously pass on any white wrs.

 

[Biggems]

I don't care who the President is. I will never call for a black qb. I just think Shipley is being overrated by UT fans and I would rather not draft him especially early in the draft. the white wr thing is more of a joke. I'm a white guy. but I would seriously pass on any white wrs.

I am a UT fan and I am not overhyping Shipley. The guy catches basically everything you throw to him. He runs great routes. He is fast and quick. He has break away speed. He is squirrelly, quite elusive. He is a great KR and PR. He has a great work ethic.

Now, he has had injury issues and he is older than some of the other draftees.

Still, for my money, the positives outweigh the negatives. He is definitely a WR prospect I hope we take a serious look at. Plus, if he can be had in the mid-rounds, then we can address LT, S, and LB first.

 

[DFWJC]

And how does that change my point? Johsnon was taken #3 overall in 2003. Since then Miami has not produced players of that caliber. In the past the U produced 1 or 2 players of Johnson's caliber and a whole bunch of other players that were solid contributors to NFL teams. Since that 2003 draft they have not really done that. There are very few stars of Andre's stature and fewer guys that you can really count on to help teams out. Most of the guys DB4L listed were drafted in years prior to Andre Johnson. The couple since then are just that, a couple. Miami has had a dry spell in recent years.

Or course any team should have drafted Andre Johnson, but few teams were in a position to do so. Dallas was never in a position to get him since he got drafted at the #3 spot.

I just wouldn't grab a player in any round solely because he went to The U. Just so I am clear it has nothing to do with the stereotype of them being thugs or anything like that. I just don't think the quality is there right now. Maybe in a few years it will be like it was in the past. In the past if you were drafting in any round and had a group of players all graded out about the same you could use the fact that one player was from Miami as the tie breaker to draft him. That is not the case right now.

Not intended to change anyone's point.....just a little rah-rah for AJ.

 

[Shady12]

40 times are overrated.

I agree. Roy Williams has a much faster 40 than Terrell Owens, but who looks faster on the field? This argument supports Shipley, as he's a guy who you can just watch and see he has great football speed.

I'm a UT fan and not overhyping him..for example, I have always doubted McCoy's NFL potential. I just don't see it. Hope I'm wrong. But Shipley is a guy who IMO can step into the NFL as a rookie and be a good slot guy and returner. I hate bringing race into anything but if he was black I think he'd be hyped as a Maclin type guy.

 

[DFWJC]

Like I said--on the upside, Shipley is somewhere between Hakeem Nicks and Austin Collie. I think he'll make someone's team for sure, but I'm not sure how good he'll be....guess we'll see. As for Maclin comparisons; I think Maclin is more explosive, but Shipley is quicker than most. He would be an upgrade (after a year or so) to Crayton in the slot. I would not spend a 1st rounder on him...but maybe a 4th.

 

[MarionBarberThe4th]

I don't care who the President is. I will never call for a black qb. I just think Shipley is being overrated by UT fans and I would rather not draft him especially early in the draft. the white wr thing is more of a joke. I'm a white guy. but I would seriously pass on any white wrs.

I thought you were proud to be black? Dont jump ship now

 

[Rampage]

I thought you were proud to be black? Dont jump ship now

I pulled a Michael Jackson on you fools and went white:laugh2:

 

[Bob Sacamano]

I pulled a Michael Jackson on you fools and went white:laugh2:

string him up!

 

[MarionBarberThe4th]

I pulled a Michael Jackson on you fools and went white:laugh2:

Bad timing. We had it our way for ever. Surely the tides gonna turn soon.

 

[rkell87]

I don't care who the President is. I will never call for a black qb. I just think Shipley is being overrated by UT fans and I would rather not draft him especially early in the draft. the white wr thing is more of a joke. I'm a white guy. but I would seriously pass on any white wrs.

I'm a black man and I took offense to it

ummmm.....?