Joseph Randle by the numbers

[big dog cowboy]

http://www.dallascowboys.com/video/2015/05/15/flashback-joseph-randles-best-runs-2014

Thank you.

 

[mattjames2010]

Seeing Randle "break arm tackles" against a poor tackling team like the Jags doesn't say much to me.

And we have yet to see Randle do much when Murray wasn't wearing down the defense. The game where he got over 10 touches last year, he looked awful.

 

[jrumann59]

Seeing Randle "break arm tackles" against a poor tackling team like the Jags doesn't say much to me.

And we have yet to see Randle do much when Murray wasn't wearing down the defense. The game where he got over 10 touches last year, he looked awful.

So just keep moving the goal post. Got it. Is Randle the answer, who knows but right now he is part of the equation. I think more people are down on him because of his lack of pedigree and people are in love with the term "dirty yards".

 

[mattjames2010]

So just keep moving the goal post. Got it. Is Randle the answer, who knows but right now he is part of the equation. I think more people are down on him because of his lack of pedigree and people are in love with the term "dirty yards".

I didn't set the goal post, did I? Whatever someone else wanted to convince them is on them.

I'm telling you to put highlights into context. Show me Randle doing much when Murray didn't wear down a defense. His game where he could have shown something was against the Colts when Murray was injured, again, looked awful.

 

[jrumann59]

I didn't set the goal post, did I? Whatever someone else wanted to convince them is on them.

I'm telling you to put highlights into context. Show me Randle doing much when Murray didn't wear down a defense. His game where he could have shown something was against the Colts when Murray was injured, again, looked awful.

Oh you mean the same game that Demarco had 22 carries for 58 yards with almost identical ypc as Randle.

 

[jobberone]

Who was projecting Randle to go in the 3rd? He timed at 4.63 in the 40 yard dash on his pro-day. Those backs don't go in the 3rd.

Smith had a worst time if I remember correctly. He went in the first and then HOF. 40s are so variable and dependent of how that athlete did that day. Injured? Poor start or bad technique?

Best to look at the film and see how well he runs on grass.

 

[jobberone]

I didn't set the goal post, did I? Whatever someone else wanted to convince them is on them.

I'm telling you to put highlights into context. Show me Randle doing much when Murray didn't wear down a defense. His game where he could have shown something was against the Colts when Murray was injured, again, looked awful.

Fair. Don't think that's reflective of his entire game but you have a point.

 

[jobberone]

This is one of the best threads I've seen in awhile. Congratulations people and that's sincere.

 

[mattjames2010]

Oh you mean the same game that Demarco had 22 carries for 58 yards with almost identical ypc as Randle.

Again - Murray injured. Also adds to my point: When Murray wasn't playing at the top of his game and wearing down the defense, what did Randle do with over 10 carries?

Randle's highlights came in three games: Jags, Bears, and Commanders. Murray already got to 100 yards against a mentally and physically weak Jags team and the momentum shifted our way. Murray was killing the Bears D when Randle took it to th house. Against the Commanders, their season was over in pretty much a blowout, he then took it to the house.

His best game was against the Seahawks where I think we used our RBs the best collectively.

I'm waiting for a convincing argument that anyone should put hope in Randle.

 

[jobberone]

Again - Murray injured. Also adds to my point: When Murray wasn't playing at the top of his game and wearing down the defense, what did Randle do with over 10 carries?

Randle's highlights came in three games: Jags, Bears, and Commanders. Murray already got to 100 yards against a mentally and physically weak Jags team and the momentum shifted our way. Murray was killing the Bears D when Randle took it to th house. Against the Commanders, their season was over in pretty much a blowout, he then took it to the house.

His best game was against the Seahawks where I think we used our RBs the best collectively.

I'm waiting for a convincing argument that anyone should put hope in Randle.

There's enough to like and the only knock I see is he's unproven.

Fast, enough missem', good one cut and when necessary will cut back, finds the hole, follows his blockers well, really good burst, very good receiver, a bit of the quicks, a little second gear, sets up second level and safeties, does run thru arm tackles, some power, gets skinny, some YAC, and falls forward well.

 

[mattjames2010]

There's enough to like and the only knock I see is he's unproven.

Fast, enough missem', good one cut and when necessary will cut back, finds the hole, follows his blockers well, really good burst, very good receiver, a bit of the quicks, a little second gear, sets up second level and safeties, does run thru arm tackles, some power, gets skinny, some YAC, and falls forward well.

I agree he has a good one cut and I think his straight line speed is a little better than his 40-time indicates.

My problem with Randle is, he's not elite at anything he does; I want a bigger sample size with his blocking. He's a solid backup/change of pace RB. I think he could compliment McFadden well if McFadden stay healthy (This is doubtful, I'd be happy if we get 10 games out of him).

 

[jobberone]

I agree he has a good one cut and I think his straight line speed is a little better than his 40-time indicates.

My problem with Randle is, he's not elite at anything he does; I want a bigger sample size with his blocking. He's a solid backup/change of pace RB. I think he could compliment McFadden well if McFadden stay healthy (This is doubtful, I'd be happy if we get 10 games out of him).

Thoughtful response. Not sure I completely agree but he is not tested so is a relative unknown.

I think he's a 4.5 back as he runs away or isn't caught by DBs. His time is irrelevant actually as the tests for speed as above is decent proof. I like his ability to reverse direction as well as his cuts, missem, quicks, burst, vision among a few more. He finds a hole quickly and can be at the second level very quickly.

I think he will surprise some.

 

[jrumann59]

Again - Murray injured. Also adds to my point: When Murray wasn't playing at the top of his game and wearing down the defense, what did Randle do with over 10 carries?

Randle's highlights came in three games: Jags, Bears, and Commanders. Murray already got to 100 yards against a mentally and physically weak Jags team and the momentum shifted our way. Murray was killing the Bears D when Randle took it to th house. Against the Commanders, their season was over in pretty much a blowout, he then took it to the house.

His best game was against the Seahawks where I think we used our RBs the best collectively.

I'm waiting for a convincing argument that anyone should put hope in Randle.

Randle has no say on when he goes in. IIRC Indy was playing a lot of run defense to stop the run almost exclusively, they wanted Romo to throw it. ITs one thing if randle has performed during garbage time against other teams back ups but he has done it against starters. Like others have said he is a bit unproven but at least has something to show against NFL level competition unlike maybe a rookie or another RB on the roster.

 

[robjay04]

I remember reading a lot of scouting when we drafted Randle comparing him to Murray. I don't see it but you can't really judge a back based on just a few carries a game.

 

[mattjames2010]

Randle has no say on when he goes in. IIRC Indy was playing a lot of run defense to stop the run almost exclusively, they wanted Romo to throw it. ITs one thing if randle has performed during garbage time against other teams back ups but he has done it against starters. Like others have said he is a bit unproven but at least has something to show against NFL level competition unlike maybe a rookie or another RB on the roster.

I never said Randle did, I'm telling you that what he did last year is such a small sample size and that he benefited from having a physical starting RB in front of him wearing down defenses for him to find the end zone.

And there will be teams loading up to stop the run this season, Randle will need to do to more. I'm not optimistic about McFadden going down and Randle carrying the load, or at least a good portion of it.

So the "The run game will be fine" is still baseless at this point. It should be, "Well, let's hope for the best".

 

[jrumann59]

I never said Randle did, I'm telling you that what he did last year is such a small sample size and that he benefited from having a physical starting RB in front of him wearing down defenses for him to find the end zone.

And there will be teams loading up to stop the run this season, Randle will need to do to more. I'm not optimistic about McFadden going down and Randle carrying the load, or at least a good portion of it.

So the "The run game will be fine" is still baseless at this point. It should be, "Well, let's hope for the best".

Murray being here would be just the opposite when he has track record similar to DMC and he happen to play every game and gave it his "all" in a contract year. Even changed his running style instead of running away from contact he ran to it. If Murray was here the question would be would he be as effective after a 400+ carry season.

 

[ActualCowboysFan]

Again - Murray injured. Also adds to my point: When Murray wasn't playing at the top of his game and wearing down the defense, what did Randle do with over 10 carries?

Randle's highlights came in three games: Jags, Bears, and Commanders. Murray already got to 100 yards against a mentally and physically weak Jags team and the momentum shifted our way. Murray was killing the Bears D when Randle took it to th house. Against the Commanders, their season was over in pretty much a blowout, he then took it to the house.

His best game was against the Seahawks where I think we used our RBs the best collectively.

I'm waiting for a convincing argument that anyone should put hope in Randle.

The people who've seen him up close have a great deal of confidence in the team's ability to run. They know that the rest of the offense is capable of drawing significant attention. They know that their OL is capable of creating holes. They can basically get you 1000 yards before contact.

They've seen Randle's ability to take advantage of those holes. They are more familiar with Randle than any back in the league other than Demarco and they are putting a lot of faith in him. Sure the sample size was small. But the reality is that he was very successful in those limited opportunities. He led the league in average yards after contact per rush. He led the league in percentage of runs going for 10 yards or more.