Julius Jones Can Be Easily Replaced In The Draft

[Hostile]

what needs a change on this team? it seems like you are satisfied with whatever the boys have. what don't you like or what would you change on this roster?

It does?

Come on is that the best you've got?

People regularly gripe at me because I am never satisfied. All I have pointed out to you and philo beddoe and TheProphet is that you have no plans. Not one of you has offered one scrap of an idea on how to improve our running attack except get rid of Julius Jones. How exactly does that make us better? Addition by subtraction.

Ooh, I stand in awe of this theory. I remember when it worked great for the Commanders getting rid of Stephen Davis and bringing in Trung Canidate.

 

[InmanRoshi]

Next year is going to be Julius' breakout year.

If not next year, the year after that.

If not that year, the year after that.

Just you watch.

 

[burmafrd]

I knew one of them would show up sooner or later.

 

[TheProphet]

Peterson and Lynch are the only two backs a reasonable person can claim will definitly be better then JJ. Now- prophet who is not- if you can find someone else YOU CAN PROVE IS BETTER THEN JJ then do it. Otherwise shut up.

I already did guy...go back and review the threads. You guys who keep saying that you need absolute "PROOF" that any prospect will have to be good as our better than JuJones before we go after are a hoot.
There are no guarantees draft day. But again, JuJones has not raised the bar to a very high level to cross.

Now, how about you guys provide me "PROOF" that JuJones will finally have a breakout seaons this upcoming year??!!!

 

[Rampage]

It does?

Come on is that the best you've got?

People regularly gripe at me because I am never satisfied. All I have pointed out to you and philo beddoe and TheProphet is that you have no plans. Not one of you has offered one scrap of an idea on how to improve our running attack except get rid of Julius Jones. How exactly does that make us better? Addition by subtraction.

Ooh, I stand in awe of this theory. I remember when it worked great for the Commanders getting rid of Stephen Davis and bringing in Trung Canidate.

after next year trade julius and try to get ray rice. thats my plan you grumpy old man!laugh2: it rhymed)

 

[burmafrd]

come on prophet- you threw a few names and nothing else. THAT means nothing. And you wonder why so many people make fun of you?
take each one of those names and make a case for them. Otherwise most people here will continue to laugh at you.

 

[Hostile]

I guess your style of debate could be used to defend any player on this team tough and nail and attempt to discredit the guy with an opposing view. You asked for specifics, I provide you with names and a link and you piss on those facts stating they are not good enough for you. Whatever guy. Like I said I give up in debating this with you.
The good news for you is your got guys like Stasheroo who will always have your back. LOL.
Just remember, we all are looking for the same thing, we just have different opinions as to what is needed to get there.
Make it a great day.

Excuse me while I pull on my hip waders because it is getting deep in here.

 

[DallasEast]

Now, how about you guys provide me "PROOF" that JuJones will finally have a breakout seaons this upcoming year??!!!

If Garrett sticks with using the running back tandem of Jones and Barber, Jones does not have to 'breakout' this year for it to be a successful one. More consistent? Yes. Breakout? No.

 

[burmafrd]

I challenge the unprophet to support his choices of backs HE IS SO SURE will be better then JJ.

 

[InmanRoshi]

Can someone prove to me that we can't do better than a 4.0 back who can't run for positive yardage on 30% of his runs in the draft?

Particularly since the one we have now is in the last year of his contract?

 

[TheProphet]

Next year is going to be Julius' breakout year.

If not next year, the year after that.

If not that year, the year after that.

Just you watch.

Well at least this guy gets it, when it comes to how some around here will defend JuJones....

 

[burmafrd]

what is the NFL average on no gains? then factor in a bad O line? then maybe you will come a little closer then the truth then you have so far.

 

[WoodysGirl]

Next year is going to be Julius' breakout year.

If not next year, the year after that.

If not that year, the year after that.

Just you watch.

This is what happens when someone comes in on the tail end of the discussion. Extreme sarcasm implying something that's not even mentioned.

 

[InmanRoshi]

Well at least this guy gets it, when it comes to how some around here will defend JuJones....

Typically all the great RB's needed an 8 year development plan.

 

[burmafrd]

How many years did Larry Johnson need before he exploded as a great back?

 

[Stash]

If Garrett sticks with using the running back tandem of Jones and Barber, Jones does not have to 'breakout' this year for it to be a successful one. More consistent? Yes. Breakout? No.

Well said.

And please note earlier in this thread where it was clearly shown that Dallas' RB tandem had better production than Steven Jackson and the Rams (the guy people wish we had) did.

But again, don't let a fact get in the way of an argument.

 

[Rampage]

How many years did Larry Johnson need before he exploded as a great back?

he was always a great back. he just had to play second fiddle to holmes

 

[Jarv]

What about him? He's Philo's guy. From what it sounds like, he has torn it up in the CFL. At least Philo is throwing out names, which is more than I can say for some of you armchair pundits.

If one guy logs into 2 different computers on different subnets with 2 different user names, does this mean he is actually 2 people ?

So you want to trade or cut JJ and I would like to see him play one more year under a new system that is more condusive to RB's. Have you ever seen BP's RB's on average per year ? Its not great.

On top of that you don't have a clear plan except to get rid of him, please list posible trade partners and what we would get and why...Then a plan for his replacement, like FA back, draft...List the backs and their type of skill sets that make you think they could either be an every down back or replace JJ as 1st and 2nd down back.

Since your the one that wants him replaced the onus is on you to provide a plan. What NAMES are you looking at that is better than JJ and why.

 

[Hostile]

L A R G E! Couldn't have said it better myself...oh wait I did...see my response to Hostile.

Here's the Reader's Digest of your stance so far in this thread.

You: We can do better than Julius.

Skeptics: Really, how?

You: The draft.

Skeptics: Who should we draft?

You: Someone, anyone. He'll be better.

Skeptics: How will he be better? What guarantees?

You: You sure are loyal to mediocrity.

Skeptics: Do you have a plan or not? Let us hear your great plan.

You: I can't give you a roll call of all the RBs available.

Skeptics: We didn't ask for a roll call. We asked for you to demonstrate how you would improve on what we already have.

You: Well, I tried.

Skeptics: Where?

You: I'm done explaining myself.

Skeptics: When did you evere explain anything?

You: There's just no pleasing you. Did you buy a Julius jersey that's now worthless?

Skeptics: We're still waiting for you to add something of substance.

You: Large!!! I said that exact thing.





I am still waiting for you to show you have even an inkling of an idea how to have a discussion. All I see is a lot of pissing and moaning and nothing of substance at all.

 

[superpunk]

IR vs. burmafrd

The Battle of Posters who refuse to use the quote function. This should be unbelievably difficult to follow.

btw, IR, your above post (which I won't quote) illustrates the pointlessness of burm's request to PROVE someone can improve JJ's production. burm accepts that Peterson or Lynch could do so, with little resistance, so why can't someone just say "Kenny Irons"? They would be providing the same amount of evidence that the Peterson/Lynch theory is based on. None of those backs are guarantees to improve upon Julius' production.

But the fact is 27 rushers in the NFL last year matched or bettered Julius' 4.1 ypc mark. If that many people are doing it, how hard can it REALLY be to imagine that Julius' production could be replaced pretty easily? There's no guarantee, but if 27 people were as good or better last year, the probability that a replacement could AT LEAST match Julius' production is pretty high. PROVE that it isn't.

OK, don't....I just felt like demanding people satisfy my demands.