Just Curious Your Take On Our Coach?

[BulletBob]

Did you watch the Bears v Panthers playoff game? People deride Parcells for not making adjustments, but this fool never thought to double Steve Smith until the game was allready over.

Guys, what part of the word CURRENTLY do you not understand?

Let me use the word in a bit more context.

The Bears are CURRENTLY undefeated.

 

[tommyboy10]

"Care to argue why the 7 I mentioned (Lovie Smith, Tony Dungy, Andy Reid, Bill Belichick, Brian Billick, Marty Schottenheimer, and Mike Holmgren) are not CURRENTLY better than Parcells.
how"

and how many of then have won the superbowl the past 3 years? The same span that Parcells has been Head Coach for Dallas?

So all of those coaches are in the same boat as Parcells except for Belichick who actually has won a super bowl recently.

Dungy all his teams do is choke in the playoffs. All Andy reids team do is choke in the playoffs. Billick what has he done the last 4 years? NOTHING. Holmgrem one good yera last year and he didnt even win the super bowl so i dont know how you can say that was a sucess.

Atleast these guys actually GET to the playoffs! I'd take DUngy all day over Parcells in the current situations...Give Bill his due, he has had an awesome career, but today, in 2006, he's not the guy he once was.

 

[cowboys19]

Guys, what part of the word CURRENTLY do you not understand?

Let me use the word in a bit more context.

The Bears are CURRENTLY undefeated.

i thought we were talking the past 3 years since Parcells has been Coach?

 

[Stautner]

Whoa whoa whoa. Good game planning and play calling are "smoke and mirrors and hiding dificiencies? Where in the world did you get that? Was Tom Landry, an innovator for the game who changed the way people played football, a freakin' magician? Dude you are lost on that bit. A great game day coach is just as important as talent evaluator who motivates. And I'm tired of settling. I want the whole package.

WHOA WHOA WHAO - you misinterpereted what I was saying.

I said those who constantly blame game planning and play calling for teams losing are looking for smoke and mirror answers to deficiencies.

Obviously innovations can make a difference in games, but these guys aren't talking about innovations like the Flex defense or zone coverage, they are second guessing individual plays and calls within a game, and mistaking poor execution for bad play calling and game planning.

My point is that execution is a much bigger factor in a game than calling the perfect play at the perfect time - if that's what we are relying on to win we are in trouble. Executing consistently over and over, play after play, possession after possession, game after game - THAT's the primary factor in winning football games.

Like I said, some of the least flashy, most plain vanilla teams have been the most successful over the years. The Steelers of the 1970's, the Steelers of the past decade under Cowher, the 1990's Cowboys, the Baltimore Ravens, the 1985 Bears, the Patriots of the past 5-6 years. The key to all those teams was a group of talented players who executed each play to perfection. They didn't have to rely on fooling you with the perfect play or having creative geniuses for coaches - they just executed basic football flawlessly and outplayed you on the field.

 

[Jarv]

See this is where we stray off.

So if McBriar doesn't turn the ball over that costs us 7 points and we win the game then was Parcells outcoached?

If Roy Williams doesn't let his man run right by him then was Parcells outcoached?

Bledsoe Missing TO wide open at the end of the game for a TD? Outcoached?

Parcells wasn't outcoached yesterday. His team turned the ball over and we lost.

Had we not had turnovers I guarantee we win that game and then Parcells is no longer "outcoached".

When you lose you are always outcoached. The buck stops here and all that crap. He picked his groceries, came up with the game plan...Heck, he even shares or calls the plays.

He put the players in the situations, they failed. Should he have called different plays, used different players ? Trained them differently ?

BP has won 2 Superbowls, gotta give him credit for that, so did Tom.

Tom was still fired (I hated that day, but it needed to be done).

Can't rest on your laurels all of your life. Built a nice set of talent here BP...Thanks, now move along like you did in NE and NYJ...

 

[gbrittain]

"Care to argue why the 7 I mentioned (Lovie Smith, Tony Dungy, Andy Reid, Bill Belichick, Brian Billick, Marty Schottenheimer, and Mike Holmgren) are not CURRENTLY better than Parcells.
how"

and how many of then have won the superbowl the past 3 years? The same span that Parcells has been Head Coach for Dallas?

So all of those coaches are in the same boat as Parcells except for Belichick who actually has won a super bowl recently.

Dungy all his teams do is choke in the playoffs. All Andy reids team do is choke in the playoffs. Billick what has he done the last 4 years? NOTHING. Holmgrem one good yera last year and he didnt even win the super bowl so i dont know how you can say that was a sucess.

I think the point others are trying to make is that if the part I bolded makes those coaches unsuccessful what does that make Bill Parcells in his last four years?

Choking in the playoffs, Super Bowl = better than no playoffs, no Super Bowl and only two games over .500

 

[cowboys19]

Atleast these guys actually GET to the playoffs! I'd take DUngy all day over Parcells in the current situations...Give Bill his due, he has had an awesome career, but today, in 2006, he's not the guy he once was.

What does getting to the playoffs do when you choke in them? please the super bowl is all that matters, and there are very few who actually win it.

 

[tommyboy10]

Guys, what part of the word CURRENTLY do you not understand?

Let me use the word in a bit more context.

The Bears are CURRENTLY undefeated.

Good one....or how about this for more clarification:

The Cowboys are NOT CURRENTLY undefeated.

 

[cowboys19]

I think the point others are trying to make is that if the part I bolded makes those coaches unsuccessful what does that make Bill Parcells in his last four years?

Choking in the playoffs, Super Bowl = better than no playoffs, no Super Bowl and only two games over .500

everyone is unsuccesfull unless you win the superbowl thats how i feel. I hope everyone else feels the same way.

Why do Players play the game? to win the super bowl am i right?

 

[tommyboy10]

What does getting to the playoffs do when you choke in them? please the super bowl is all that matters, and there are very few who actually win it.

You ever notice that you can't get to the Super Bowl if you don't ever get to the freakin playoffs? Hmmmmm

Atleast his teams have a chance by getting there.

 

[Doomsday101]

Guys, what part of the word CURRENTLY do you not understand?

Let me use the word in a bit more context.

The Bears are CURRENTLY undefeated.

I agree with you that right now these coaches are doing better my take is all or most of these coaches also had their abilities question by fans and or media who feel they know more about running the team than these coaches. Holgrem went from the outhouse to the penthouse in 1 season in seattle. Mike did not get any smarter in a years span

 

[Juke99]

I have been critical of Parcells for three years...actually, longer. I started to become less than happy when he went into a shell the second half of his first season.

He was very creative in the first half of his first year. I was at the Monday night game vs the Giants that season. You could actually feel Parcells' stamp on that game. It was tangible. And I was damn excited he was the coach. We ran out of 3-Wide sets. We did a little r***le d***le. We passed on running downs; we ran on passing downs. And he was excited on the sidelines.

When it became apparent that his comment, "I am too old to lose" was serious, that really turned me off. Losing, unfortunately, is part of rebuilding. AND in the current NFL, it's not like you have to lose for 6 years before you can turn it around. Teams turn things around in two seasons now.

When he overloaded the roster with has-beens in the second season, that was very discouraging.

He has said, on more than one occasion "Regardless of what you have done in the past, sooner or later you have to prove to me that you can still get the job done."

The same measure should be used for him.

The team is at .500 under his leadership.

Where he used to be assertive, he is now arrogant. Where he used to be firm in his convictions, he is now stubborn.

It's my opinion that he thinks the team should play the perfect, mistake free game. That's the goal. Well, I saw a Philly team that didn't play a mistake free game. And they won.

And the irony is, Parcells speaks of mistake-free football and then brings in two of the most mistake prone QB's in the history of the game; Testaverde and Bledsoe. Go figure. And his teams have played some DUMB football in the past few years.

AND if you KNOW your QB has zero mobility, then you HAVE to concentrate that much MORE on building a great offensive line. Yet, last year we went into the season with a 7th rounder starting at RT. Go figure. At best, the best offensive line we have had since Parcells' arrival has been mediocre.

Ah whatever....no sense in belaboring the point.

In a nutshell, I simply don't think his philosophy/approach works in the current NFL.

 

[CATCH17]

When you lose you are always outcoached.

Stopped reading there. That was a very dumb statement.

I dont buy it that if Bledsoe connects on a TD pass at the end and we kick a field goal in overtime then all of a sudden Parcells outcoached Reid.

Thats stupid.

 

[cowboys19]

You ever notice that you can't get to the Super Bowl if you don't ever get to the freakin playoffs? Hmmmmm

Atleast his teams have a chance by getting there.

true bt still did they win the super bowl? thats all that matters

 

[BulletBob]

i thought we were talking the past 3 years since Parcells has been Coach?

Before I mash my head into a bloody pulp, it was YOUR original question, C-19.

Name 5 coaches who are CURRENTLY better than Parcells.

If by currently, you meant "the past three years", then I guess I see your point.



I feel like I'm Through the Looking Glass.

Humpty Dumpty: When I use a word, it means just what I choose it to mean - neither more nor less.

 

[tommyboy10]

WHOA WHOA WHAO - you misinterpereted what I was saying.

I said those who constantly blame game planning and play calling for teams losing are looking for smoke and mirror answers to deficiencies.

Obviously innovations can make a difference in games, but these guys aren't talking about innovations like the Flex defense or zone coverage, they are second guessing individual plays and calls within a game, and mistaking poor execution for bad play calling and game planning.

My point is that execution is a much bigger factor in a game than calling the perfect play at the perfect time - if that's what we are relying on to win we are in trouble. Executing consistently over and over, play after play, possession after possession, game after game - THAT's the primary factor in winning football games.

Like I said, some of the least flashy, most plain vanilla teams have been the most successful over the years. The Steelers of the 1970's, the Steelers of the past decade under Cowher, the 1990's Cowboys, the Baltimore Ravens, the 1985 Bears, the Patriots of the past 5-6 years. The key to all those teams was a group of talented players who executed each play to perfection. They didn't have to rely on fooling you with the perfect play or having creative geniuses for coaches - they just executed basic football flawlessly and outplayed you on the field.

Playcalling is important as well as execution, but most people are sure to go to their teams strengths, and stay away from their weaknesses, right?

 

[cowboys19]

Before I mash my head into a bloody pulp, it was YOUR original question, C-19.

Name 5 coaches who are CURRENTLY better than Parcells.

If by currently, you meant "the past three years", then I guess I see your point.



I feel like I'm Through the Looking Glass.

Humpty Dumpty: When I use a word, it means just what I choose it to mean - neither more nor less.

Umm your ********, we were talking about what has Parcells done with Dallas the past 3 years, and people kept bringing up currently what has Parcells done? 25-23. i didnt say that 25-23 thats 3 year span, they are talking about current.

dont you get it? im not the one who said the last 3 years are current

 

[FLCowboyFan]

Name me 5 current Head Coaches who have had more sucess than him. Name me 5 head coaches who are currently better than him.

I bet you cant

These are not in order of how good they are, more how they popped in my head. I like BP and he might be better than anyone of these guys but it isn't that hard to come up with the 5 now and 5 of all time. I didn't even go back to the time of Lombardi!

Current head coaches:
1. Bill Cowher
2. Bill Belicheck
3. Andy Reid
4. Holmgren
5. Dungy


All Time
1. Jimmy Johnson
2. Chuck Knoll
3. Don Shula
4. Tom Landry
5. Bill Walsh

 

[Juke99]

Hey.....let's try to keep the debate civil. OK?

 

[tommyboy10]

true bt still did they win the super bowl? thats all that matters

This is just my opinion, but that is weak...Yes, you always set out to win the SB, and if you don't, it sucks. But you have to take positives, and find things to build on as well.

Don't tell me he is better than those coaches listed and mentioned over the last three or four years is all I'm saying, and that was the original argument here, right?