Just Draft Zeke!

[ABQCOWBOY]

An elite back with no wear and tear for less money than what an old beaten-up Demarco Murray is making? That's a steal.

And Elliott is INFINITELY more talented than Murray.

That's not a steal. That's still expensive and there are cheaper options that are just as young. I'm OK with believing that a younger RB would be an upgrade but I think it's a bit misleading to say that it's a steal to pay a kid that kind of money. He may end up being worth that kind of money but he may not. Either way, he will not be cheap relative to what you could pay that position IMO.

 

[erod]

When does Top 10 pay for the running back position mean "reduced rate"?

It's reduced when you consider that he will be the same guy at the end of the contract as they beginning. He's only 20 years old.

When guys like Lynch, Peterson, Murray, Charles, and Bell get their huge contracts, it's always about the end of the contract and how much money you have to eat.

Dallas won't have to eat the end of Elliott's contract. They'll have to just give him another one. YOU GET FIVE PRIME YEARS.

 

[Stash]

An elite back with no wear and tear for less money than what an old beaten-up Demarco Murray is making? That's a steal.

And Elliott is INFINITELY more talented than Murray.

He's not triple the cost plus the #4 overall draft pick "more talented". Murray cost this team a 3rd round pick and made $1.4 million while leading the league in rushing.

At triple the cost, can we expect triple the production or return on investment? No?

Didn't think so.

 

[Jeffkills]

Since we al know there's NO chance to win SB without a healthy Romo, would anyone care to explain how Bosa or Ramsey help protect Romo's health?

We're another missed blitz pickup, from Tony lying on the carpet again, and our entire season ending in September again..

 

[Jenky]

Actually it was all wrapped up into the analysis. But you guys can continue to ignore what was said by Jones at that time. That the team simply did not feel they got a significant return on investing a lot IN THE TAILBACK POSITION because they felt the position took a beating. They had interest in Lamar Miller who has relatively little wear and tear on his body and is only 25 years old but they bowed out when his price tag was around $14MM guaranteed. It was too rich for their blood because again, they were clear the prior year that they will simply not invest a lot of money into the TB position.

If they take Elliott, they've clearly done a 180 on that policy. They very well may reverse their position. But in the end, if they take him, he's not some rookie RB you are going to get massive production from at a reduced rate. You are paying him Top 10 TB money.

That's not some theory or guess. It's reality.

They upped their offer to 6 mill a year to Murray.

 

[erod]

He's not triple the cost plus the #4 overall draft pick "more talented". Murray cost this team a 3rd round pick and made $1.4 million while leading the league in rushing.

At triple the cost, can we expect triple the production or return on investment? No?

Didn't think so.

So you want to pay Bosa or Ramsey the same thing while you wait for them to get good in 2-4 years? Elliott is ready to go right now.

And Murray's production was a one-hit wonder. A guy like Elliott could have done more than Murray that year. He sucked in Philly last year, and no, it wasn't just about scheme. Murray was supremely overrated after that one year.

 

[The Quest for Six]

Go back and look at the 2014 defensive stats thanks to our ground game that year......

Ok, in 2014 a second round running back in Bell led the AFC in rushing for Pittsburgh, Murray a 3 round back led the NFL in rushing.....not wasting a first round top 5 pick on a running back in today's NFL

 

[Sydla]

They upped their offer to 6 mill a year to Murray.

The guaranteed money was still around $12MM and that's really the most important number.

 

[Stash]

It's reduced when you consider that he will be the same guy at the end of the contract as they beginning. He's only 20 years old.

It's Top 10 in the league. Guaranteed to an unproven rookie before he's taken his first snap. Nothing at all "reduced" about it.

When guys like Lynch, Peterson, Murray, Charles, and Bell get their huge contracts, it's always about the end of the contract and how much money you have to eat.

And meanwhile, we'll have a guy who's done nothing at the NFL level right up there in the top 10 with the proven 'big boys' of the league.

Dallas won't have to eat the end of Elliott's contract. They'll have to just give him another one. YOU GET FIVE PRIME YEARS.

Five? Seriously? I guess you failed to include that huge jump in cost for that 5th year option, even if they chose to exercise it.

The fact is that you can get four prime years from any running back you take anywhere. To say nothing of the investment already made in McFadden and Morris.

Another fact is that next year's running back class is set to become the best one in years. Ezekiel Elliott would be 'another running back' in that class.

That's why he and all of the other juniors jumped to get into this one, avoiding a much richer draft class at the position. You draft this guy and you're out of the best running back class in years.

 

[Sydla]

It's reduced when you consider that he will be the same guy at the end of the contract as they beginning. He's only 20 years old.

When guys like Lynch, Peterson, Murray, Charles, and Bell get their huge contracts, it's always about the end of the contract and how much money you have to eat.

Dallas won't have to eat the end of Elliott's contract. They'll have to just give him another one. YOU GET FIVE PRIME YEARS.

I'll give you credit for an excellent spin job on a statement that you made that clearly is not true.

 

[Jeffkills]

He's not triple the cost plus the #4 overall draft pick "more talented". Murray cost this team a 3rd round pick and made $1.4 million while leading the league in rushing.

At triple the cost, can we expect triple the production or return on investment? No?

Didn't think so.

Do you not remember Murray slowly running into darkness and leaving giant chunks of yardage on the field like every 3rd run?

The line made Murray, flat-out. He had great success because he wasn't a total bum, but imagine what potentially the best RB in the league can do behind this line...

Murray, bless his heart, is not even in the same universe as Zeke. It's not even really that debatable...

What happens when DMC gets another hammy and Morris fails to pick up the OLB who ends Romo's career? Well' thank god we'd still have Ramsey!!

 

[Stash]

So what, if the team is better, which they will be. Why are you concerned about the money a player gets, if that players puts points on the board. And W's in the W column.

Salary.

Cap.

 

[Sydla]

Do you not remember Murray slowly running into darkness and leaving giant chunks of yardage on the field like every 3rd run?

The line made Murray, flat-out. He had great success because he wasn't a total bum, but imagine what potentially the best RB in the league can do behind this line...

Murray, bless his heart, is not even in the same universe as Zeke. It's not even really that debatable...

What happens when DMC gets another hammy and Morris fails to pick up the OLB who ends Romo's career? Well' thank god we'd still have Ramsey!!

How many yards will Elliott get as a rookie?

You seem all in on the guy so I want to hear your ridiculous prediction.

 

[slick325]

Actually it was all wrapped up into the analysis. But you guys can continue to ignore what was said by Jones at that time. That the team simply did not feel they got a significant return on investing a lot IN THE TAILBACK POSITION because they felt the position took a beating. They had interest in Lamar Miller who has relatively little wear and tear on his body and is only 25 years old but they bowed out when his price tag was around $14MM guaranteed. It was too rich for their blood because again, they were clear the prior year that they will simply not invest a lot of money into the TB position.

If they take Elliott, they've clearly done a 180 on that policy. They very well may reverse their position. But in the end, if they take him, he's not some rookie RB you are going to get massive production from at a reduced rate. You are paying him Top 10 TB money.

That's not some theory or guess. It's reality.

The fact of the matter is...all signs point to Elliott being in contention at pick 4 along with Ramsey (who I believe is number 1 on the Cowboys big board); Elliott and Bosa. If RB was not of value to the team or if he wasn't viewed as a top 10 talent then wouldn't logic tell you he wouldn't even be in contention? There is no talk of Tunsil at 4 and he is talented. But he plays a position they have top talent at so he isn't really a consideration.

If Dallas doesn't draft Elliott it doesn't mean they didn't see him as valuable it means they went with a higher ranked player on the board (Ramsey) or a highly ranked need player (Bosa).

Edit: BTW...I don't think the team viewed Lamar Miller as highly as some on this board. He is not a special talent nor elite. He got paid in free agency like he was just that. Stephen Jones explained why spending in free agency is skewed.

 

[Jenky]

The guaranteed money was still around $12MM and that's really the most important number.

Right, but they were willing to invest in an older RB. There's other factors that come into play. I don't think it's as black and white as it seems.

FTR, I don't think Miller is good as everyone else thinks.

 

[Jenky]

The fact of the matter is...all signs point to Elliott being in contention at pick 4 along with Ramsey (who I believe is number 1 on the Cowboys big board); Elliott and Boss. If RB was not of value to the team or if he wasn't viewed as a top 10 talent then wouldn't logic tell you he wouldn't even be in contention? There is no talk of Tunsil at 4 and he is talented. But he plays a position they have top talent at so he isn't really a consideration.

If Dallas doesn't draft Elliott it doesn't mean they didn't see him as valuable it means they went with a higher ranked player on the board (Ramsey) or a highly ranked need player (Boss).

There's talks of many other GMs saying Tunsil isnt the top tackle.

We're not getting a tackle in the first round anyhow. No doubt about it.

 

[Jeffkills]

Another fact is that next year's running back class is set to become the best one in years. Ezekiel Elliott would be 'another running back' in that class.

That's why he and all of the other juniors jumped to get into this one, avoiding a much richer draft class at the position. You draft this guy and you're out of the best running back class in years.

False..

Name a RB coming out next year whose as complete as Zeke.. Come on, there's some terrific RB's, but not a Marshal Faulk type weapon.

I don't even think there are more complete runners, let alone pass catching, blockers..

 

[jazzcat22]

How many yards will Elliott get as a rookie?

You seem all in on the guy so I want to hear your ridiculous prediction.

He will have more yards than Ramsey will have picks....

 

[Gameover]

Ok, in 2014 a second round running back in Bell led the AFC in rushing for Pittsburgh, Murray a 3 round back led the NFL in rushing.....not wasting a first round top 5 pick on a running back in today's NFL

Richard Sherman was a 5th round All Pro. Josh Norman came from no where to All Pro. Tom Brady 5th round all time great. Romo undrafted, franchise record setter. Rod Smith undrafted Pro Bowl Wide -Out. That's it, I'm not wasting a top 5 pick ON ANY POSITION!

 

[Stash]

Do you not remember Murray slowly running into darkness and leaving giant chunks of yardage on the field like every 3rd run?

That year where he led the league in rushing by 500 yards, sure do.

The line made Murray, flat-out. He had great success because he wasn't a total bum, but imagine what potentially the best RB in the league can do behind this line...

And there you just blew up your own argument. You're right. This line flat-out makes running backs. Therefore you don't need to overdraft the position and overpay for a rookie to be successful. They also took a former bust with one foot out of the league in McFadden and turned him into the NFL's #4 rusher in 2015.

This line doesn't need Elliott to be successful. Just like you've said. They make running backs.

Murray, bless his heart, is not even in the same universe as Zeke. It's not even really that debatable...

What happens when DMC gets another hammy and Morris fails to pick up the OLB who ends Romo's career? Well' thank god we'd still have Ramsey!!

Maybe we have Tunsil and that linebacker never gets there? This ridiculous over inflation of one player's abilities is nonsense.

Next year he's just another running back. This year he's somehow the 'greatest of all time'...