just heard... Skins Offer for Chad Johnson Turned Down

[mmillman]

I just heard on Colin Cowherd that Mort said it was this years first and next years first also! They turned it down. I guess we are now out of the Vet WR sweepstakes!!

Not the same situation in Detroit. Williams has not threatened anything which allows the owner to save face. Also, Williams is an unrestricted free agent next year on a team that has a ton of holes and a lot of money tied up in that position.

I don't know if they can afford to franchise him next year as I am not that familiar with their other contracts or cap space.

If I am Detroit I wait and see what is falling after their pick and if they like a player at the bottom I would pull the trigger. Otherwise you could be like San Diego and Turner. Turner left with no compensation.

 

[Hoofbite]

The Bengals are dumb.

 

[Dallas]

i'm in this camp. rumors are flying about like $20 hookers at a vegas shriners convention. worth just about as much too.

i don't believe it.

The Shiners get 20$ hookers in Vegas? WTH??

 

[iceberg]

The Shiners get 20$ hookers in Vegas? WTH??

they'd better. i'm going there in june and hoping to find a few of these bargain basement "good times". not that easy in vegas!

 

[Idgit]

The problem in Cincy isn't Chad Johnson, and it's not going to be resolved by keeping or trading him.

I wonder whether this offer from the Skins is an attempt to set the market for us on WR trades this week.

 

[theogt]

If I'm the Bengals, I'm not trading Chad Johnson no matter what. If you let players know they can publicly lobby their way out of contracts, what's going to stop every player from doing it? Sometimes you have to make a stand on a principal.

He's not lobbying his way out of his contract. His contract would be the same and he'd get the same amount of money he would if he'd stayed in Cincy. Unless the new team wanted to renegotiate for some reason, but they wouldn't be required to.

 

[CowboyChris]

The Bengals screwed up in this deal, and the Commanders might just have priced the vet WR's out of the trade market. add the Raiders for being equally stupid in signing DeAngelo Hall for all that money, and you have the 3 of the dumbest franchises in the league.

 

[Deep_Freeze]

Sounds like our Joey Galloway trade a little, but the Bengals turned it down....goodness.

Well, looks like the price for a vet WR might have gone up a bit. The Lions and Cards would be idiots to turn that deal down. One thing that Synder will do is throw money at them, so RW's supposed love affair with us would be put at a real test.

Looks like we better start reevaluating this WR class again.....elite vet WRs might not be as easy to get as some have thought.

 

[Hostile]

Sources: Skins offer '08 first-rounder, '09 pick for Johnson; Cincy says no

By Chris Mortensen
ESPN.com
(Archive)




Updated: April 22, 2008, 1:02 PM ET
http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/print?id=3358557&type=story


How serious are the Cincinnati Bengals about not giving in to Chad Johnson's trade demands?

Johnson


Serious enough to swat away an offer from the Washington Commanders that could have netted the Bengals two first-round draft picks, team and league sources said.

The Commanders offered its first-round pick, No. 21 overall, and a conditional third-rounder in 2009 that could escalate to a first rounder if Johnson and the Commanders hit certain performance levels, the sources said.

It was not the first time the Commanders approached the Bengals about a deal, but it was the first significant proposal.

Bengals coach Marvin Lewis -- who disputed the report of trade offers for Johnson -- says the disgruntled receiver should keep his word and sit out the season. "I've stated our case with Chad," Lewis said. "He has a contract through 2011. He's stated without an opportunity to go to a different team and a new contract, he wasn't going to play. I think he's a man of his word and says he's not going to play, so don't play."

The Bengals have not only rejected the Commanders, but two other NFC East suitors -- the Dallas Cowboys and Philadelphia Eagles -- have been informed that there has been no change in the team's position that Johnson will not be traded.

The Bengals have noted to those suitors that Johnson has been the "second-highest paid receiver" in the NFL during the past three years, indignant about suggestions that Johnson also wants a new contract, the sources said.

Trading Johnson also would mean Cincinnati would take an $8 million salary-cap hit, but that amount could be split over the next two years. Additionally, as one owner who wished to remain anonymous told ESPN.com, "There's nothing wrong with dead money. It's cash already paid and it's cash back in your pocket that you don't have to spend, especially with the [high] amount of everyone's salary cap these days."

Chris Mortensen covers the NFL for ESPN. The Associated Press contributed to this report.

 

[adamknite]

I just heard that on the radio during lunch..... a first and a third (with a possibility it could be a first).... I would have taken it in a heart beat.....

 

[Skinsmaniac]

Thank you, thank you Bengals. Jeez what a dumb trade that would have been. I would have been unhappy with just one first rounder and no third (or first) going to them. What I especially don't understand is - why Chad Johnson? Why not Roy Williams or Boldin or Fitzgerald (although he's almost certainly off the table now)? I feel like you should always take the younger player. I just hope we don't up our offer or the Bengals come to their senses.

 

[big dog cowboy]

The Bengals are a joke of a franchise, if you get offered a 1st and a 3rd for a guy 30 years old you take it and run...

After cutting thru all the BS, I'd say you are correct.

 

[Skinsmaniac]

Maybe there was no offer

From PFT

BENGALS SAY NO OFFER HAS BEEN MADE FOR JOHNSON

Posted by Mike Florio on April 22, 2008, 1:28 p.m.
On Tuesday morning, Chris Mortensen of ESPN reported that the Washington Commanders have offered the Cincinnati Bengals a first-round pick in 2008 and a conditional pick in 2009 that could escalate to a first-rounder for receiver Chad Johnson.

Bengals coach Marvin Lewis says that it never happened.

“Mike Brown has not received a phone call,” Lewis said at a Tuesday press conference.

Lewis also continues to call Johnson’s bluff regarding his intention to retire if not traded. “He’s a man of his word,” Lewis said. “He says he’s not going to play, so don’t play. It’s time to do what you’re going to say you do and we’ll just move forward.”

So what’s going on here? It’s possible that the offer was made, and that the Bengals have opted to deny it in order to avoid the intense pressure that eventually will come from the fan base to spare them the antics of Ocho Psycho by getting real value for him right now and moving on.

Really, what can the Commanders do if the Bengals are lying? Call a press conference to say that an offer has been made? (That would be tampering on its face.)

And we continue to be (more) concerned that tampering might be occurring with Johnson. Even if the ‘Skins aren’t directly talking to agent Drew Rosenhaus, the fact that the Washington Post knows that the team is ready to pay Johnson $21 million in guaranteed money strongly suggests that the team is putting this information out there in the hopes of continuing to stoke the “I want out” fire that has escalated into an inferno.

In our opinion, what the Commanders apparently are doing is 1000 times worse than the conduct that formed the basis for the Bears tampering allegations against the 49ers. In our opinion, the Bengals should file tampering charges against the Commanders today, if for no reason other than to get the Commanders to back off.

Also reported at bengals.com

 

[Dallas]

Thank you, thank you Bengals. Jeez what a dumb trade that would have been. I would have been unhappy with just one first rounder and no third (or first) going to them. What I especially don't understand is - why Chad Johnson? Why not Roy Williams or Boldin or Fitzgerald (although he's almost certainly off the table now)? I feel like you should always take the younger player. I just hope we don't up our offer or the Bengals come to their senses.

We here at the Zone were pulling for the Bengals to take that trade.

Read an article the other day where Dannyboy was saying he's changed.

Changed? ORLY Danny? hrmmmm

It is sad the Bengals didn't fleece the Skins of those picks. Blastid stupid Cincy.

 

[big dog cowboy]

Thank you, thank you Bengals. Jeez what a dumb trade that would have been. I would have been unhappy with just one first rounder and no third (or first) going to them. What I especially don't understand is - why Chad Johnson? Why not Roy Williams or Boldin or Fitzgerald (although he's almost certainly off the table now)? I feel like you should always take the younger player. I just hope we don't up our offer or the Bengals come to their senses.

I'll bet your hear about skipped a beat. That offer won't be topped unless Snyder really doesn't get it yet. Even if that happened, it appears the Bungles are too stupid to take it.

 

[Skinsmaniac]

I'll bet your hear about skipped a beat. That offer won't be topped unless Snyder really doesn't get it yet. Even if that happened, it appears the Bungles are too stupid to take it.

I think he's shown that he doesn't.

 

[adamknite]

So, who comes out looking more like a fool in this situation.

The Commanders for offering so much (if they really did)

Or the Bengals for not taking the offer.

It's a tough one, but I'd say the Bengals.... we've come to expect overpaying from the Commanders, but you'd think the Bengals would be smart enough to get rid of the guy. What if he really does retire? Instead of at least a first round pick, you have nothing.

 

[CowboyChris]

Maybe there was no offer

From PFT

BENGALS SAY NO OFFER HAS BEEN MADE FOR JOHNSON

Posted by Mike Florio on April 22, 2008, 1:28 p.m.
On Tuesday morning, Chris Mortensen of ESPN reported that the Washington Commanders have offered the Cincinnati Bengals a first-round pick in 2008 and a conditional pick in 2009 that could escalate to a first-rounder for receiver Chad Johnson.

Bengals coach Marvin Lewis says that it never happened.

“Mike Brown has not received a phone call,” Lewis said at a Tuesday press conference.

Lewis also continues to call Johnson’s bluff regarding his intention to retire if not traded. “He’s a man of his word,” Lewis said. “He says he’s not going to play, so don’t play. It’s time to do what you’re going to say you do and we’ll just move forward.”

So what’s going on here? It’s possible that the offer was made, and that the Bengals have opted to deny it in order to avoid the intense pressure that eventually will come from the fan base to spare them the antics of Ocho Psycho by getting real value for him right now and moving on.

Really, what can the Commanders do if the Bengals are lying? Call a press conference to say that an offer has been made? (That would be tampering on its face.)

And we continue to be (more) concerned that tampering might be occurring with Johnson. Even if the ‘Skins aren’t directly talking to agent Drew Rosenhaus, the fact that the Washington Post knows that the team is ready to pay Johnson $21 million in guaranteed money strongly suggests that the team is putting this information out there in the hopes of continuing to stoke the “I want out” fire that has escalated into an inferno.

In our opinion, what the Commanders apparently are doing is 1000 times worse than the conduct that formed the basis for the Bears tampering allegations against the 49ers. In our opinion, the Bengals should file tampering charges against the Commanders today, if for no reason other than to get the Commanders to back off.

Also reported at bengals.com

you can tell by that statement that Marvin Lewis an the whole Bengal staff have enough of Chad Johnson, i doubt he plays for the Bengals again.

 

[LittleBoyBlue]

"Ocho Pyscho"

 

[Rampage]

so this means McFadden or Roy Williams or no WOW player on offense this year.