Keith Brooking stands up to Steve Dennis

[Monster Heel]

The most amazing thing to me about this whole thing is what you said in bold. Before the game you were saying beating the Giants would reveal nothing because they are a shell. Now because we lost they are a quality opponent.

I gotta know, does it hurt talking out of both sides of your mouth like that?

Would you please refer me to the post where I made such a statement? Because I'm not seeing it in my post history. The only thing I said about the game in regards to Dallas is that I'm tired of hearing them talk. Wrong realist? I think so.

 

[Chief]

I don't get how this is a players versus the media.

This isn't about the mean media. Frankly, their opinion counts for nothing.

It doesn't validate anything. If they are obsessing about some reporter picking on them, making up rumors etc., they are wasting their time.

What matters is the player's attitudes towards themselves and their situation.

The only thing that really bothers me is that I honestly see more defiance out of Phillips and the players to the media than there is to the opponents on the field. When is the last time we went out and took out frustration on a quality opponent? We act more like victims than anything. Victims of media attacks intended to divide them, victims of "fluke" plays, victims of injuries. That's where the accountability slant comes from. There is just too much denial, starting at the top of the organization. It even spreads down the fanbase who is still trying to convince themselves that everything is okay.

It isn't okay. We are repeating the same pattern again, right down to sparring with the media like it matters. It doesn't.

As much as they say they don't believe a curse, it seems they spend a lot of time defending themselves against the bogeyman. What they have to do is avoid defeating themselves by bracing for what might be inevitable. I just don't see any tangible actions from the management of this team that is addressing it. Sorry, I can't assume they are until we see results otherwise.

The passive-aggressive behavior is what manifests itself nearly each year around this time, from the staff to the players. That is the problem. Not the "distraction" caused by the media. If we don't have a sports psychologist on the payroll, we need one.

Great post.

 

[rcaldw]

I won't deny it is a barb. I didn't direct it at anyone. If they want to confess, that isn't on me.

I apologize. I went back and re-read the entire thread, and you are correct. I was thinking you had directed it at one of the guys who had taken you on, but I was wrong.

 

[adbutcher]

BS how he deals with the players is what matters not what he has to say to you or the media you don't play on the team you have nothing to do with the team the players do and evidently they say different than all the BS that has been said about Wade.

You have your own perception that does not mean one single thing; they know you only guess, who do you think I will trust when it comes to that? Someone on the outside that has no bearing on the game what so ever or the men inside that locker room?

You want to hear Wade say something that makes you feel good great but again you don't play on the team period.

As for Accountability again Brooking said there is you say there is not, let’s see Brooking is there you are not so again tell me whose word really matters his or yours?

People have their own views that is fine but don't kid yourself of thinking you know what is going on at Valley Ranch you don't, no more than I do but the players do know and it is a joke for fans to sit there and act as if they know all of what takes place when they don't

This goes to the heart of the matter. Excellent point.

 

[Bach]

The only thing that really bothers me is that I honestly see more defiance out of Phillips and the players to the media than there is to the opponents on the field. When is the last time we went out and took out frustration on a quality opponent? We act more like victims than anything.

It isn't okay. We are repeating the same pattern again, right down to sparring with the media like it matters. It doesn't.

As much as they say they don't believe a curse, it seems they spend a lot of time defending themselves against the bogeyman.

Exactly. We said.

 

[Alexander]

Good for Brooking. I'm hoping that rallies this team around the coach and him for standing up for Wade. I like that.

It is nice. But having a little support in the locker room isn't going to matter if there are still a clique of non-believers, which I think does exist if the SOS is to be believed.

But I'd prefer to see a little more of this kind of defiant attitude towards the media on the field and directed at opponents.

Perhaps the Waterboy technique is what would work. Everyone needs to imagine Skip Bayless, Ed Werder, Steve Dennis, Jennifer Floyd Engel, Randy Galloway, Jacques Jean-Taylor, Tim MacMahon, Matt Mosley and Jamie Dukes as the part of the opposing eleven. Then we could hire Trent Dilfer to be our cheerleader. Perhaps that might work.

Perhaps some of the players could imagine that 260-lb RB or punt returner running down the field is their paycheck. The possibilities are endless.

 

[snapper]

It is nice. But having a little support in the locker room isn't going to matter if there are still a clique of non-believers, which I think does exist if the SOS is to be believed.

But I'd prefer to see a little more of this kind of defiant attitude towards the media on the field and directed at opponents.

Perhaps the Waterboy technique is what would work. Everyone needs to imagine Skip Bayless, Ed Werder, Steve Dennis, Jennifer Floyd Engel, Randy Galloway, Jacques Jean-Taylor, Tim MacMahon, Matt Mosley and Jamie Dukes as the part of the opposing eleven. Then we could hire Trent Dilfer to be our cheerleader. Perhaps that might work.

Mama is always right! You're wrong Colonel Sanders.

 

[Hostile]

I apologize. I went back and re-read the entire thread, and you are correct. I was thinking you had directed it at one of the guys who had taken you on, but I was wrong.

No big deal man.

 

[Doomsday101]

It is nice. But having a little support in the locker room isn't going to matter if there are still a clique of non-believers, which I think does exist if the SOS is to be believed.

But I'd prefer to see a little more of this kind of defiant attitude towards the media on the field and directed at opponents.

Perhaps the Waterboy technique is what would work. Everyone needs to imagine Skip Bayless, Ed Werder, Steve Dennis, Jennifer Floyd Engel, Randy Galloway, Jacques Jean-Taylor, Tim MacMahon, Matt Mosley and Jamie Dukes as the part of the opposing eleven. Then we could hire Trent Dilfer to be our cheerleader. Perhaps that might work.

If they are being defiant it is only because they are asked these same questions from several media outlets. If you were constantly asked the same question over and over you don't think you would come off as being defiant towards the people constantly asking you the same question?

 

[Alexander]

Mama is always right! You're wrong Colonel Sanders.

Then something is wrong with your medulla oblongata.

 

[snapper]

Then something is wrong with your medulla oblongata.

 

[adbutcher]

Then something is wrong with your medulla oblongata.

:laugh2:

 

[Alexander]

If they are being defiant it is only because they are asked these same questions from several media outlets. If you were constantly asked the same question over and over you don't think you would come off as being defiant towards the people constantly asking you the same question?

Only if I cared what they had to say. Apparently, the media matters to this organization. As much as there is the impression we have an adversarial relationship, I'd say it is just the opposite. Our owner loves the attention as it is good for business.

That's why Coach Parcells restricted access to the media. That's why you see Belichick doing the same. It works to diffuse the situation.

 

[Joe Realist]

I don't get how this is a players versus the media.

This isn't about the mean media. Frankly, their opinion counts for nothing.

It doesn't validate anything. If they are obsessing about some reporter picking on them, making up rumors etc., they are wasting their time.

What matters is the player's attitudes towards themselves and their situation.

The only thing that really bothers me is that I honestly see more defiance out of Phillips and the players to the media than there is to the opponents on the field. When is the last time we went out and took out frustration on a quality opponent? We act more like victims than anything. Victims of media attacks intended to divide them, victims of "fluke" plays, victims of injuries. That's where the accountability slant comes from. There is just too much denial, starting at the top of the organization. It even spreads down the fanbase who is still trying to convince themselves that everything is okay.

It isn't okay. We are repeating the same pattern again, right down to sparring with the media like it matters. It doesn't.

As much as they say they don't believe a curse, it seems they spend a lot of time defending themselves against the bogeyman. What they have to do is avoid defeating themselves by bracing for what might be inevitable. I just don't see any tangible actions from the management of this team that is addressing it. Sorry, I can't assume they are until we see results otherwise.

The passive-aggressive behavior is what manifests itself nearly each year around this time, from the staff to the players. That is the problem. Not the "distraction" caused by the media. If we don't have a sports psychologist on the payroll, we need one.

good post

 

[rcaldw]

Only if I cared what they had to say. Apparently, the media matters to this organization. As much as there is the impression we have an adversarial relationship, I'd say it is just the opposite. Our owner loves the attention as it is good for business.

That's why Coach Parcells restricted access to the media. That's why you see Belichick doing the same. It works to diffuse the situation.

I don't claim to know the answer to this, because all I know is what you hear about the reputation of the New York media. But the way that the Dallas media deals with Wade Phillips, is it really that tough compared to what he would face in New York?

 

[utrunner07]

Apperntly not ALL team mates feel the same way...

 

[cowboyjoe]

The hell I am.

Horse feathers, you are Hostile. With the reply you made .[/QUOTE]I wish some of our fans had his heart..[/QUOTE]

Remember before you get all hot and bothered, I was all for keith brooking, and thought he could really help this team. I have said so several times. Just like Brooking got into the face of steve dennis and made him squirm like someone posted, thats what we want from our head coach and we want him to do with the media, the players, the coaches. I remember someone said Brooking wasnt a good player for us, something like that. I said this team needed leaders and some of them are growing up as players like Ratliff, Witten, Romo, Bradie, Ware and Brooking, thats what we want from wade. Not wade saying everything is ok and dont worry.

Mostly because I am sick to death of our French fans. I would hate to go to war with some of the people here. I would hate to have to play a game with some of the people here. Beyond worthless.Mostly because I am sick to death of our French fans. ..[/QUOTE]

My point that I am trying to make is this;
1st Did or did not wade admit to not running the blitz run defense enough in training camp?
2. Did or did not then wade said, i thought we could play in man to man coverage, but evidently we wouldnt so we have to go back to zone, but wade had to fix the run defense first after the tampa bay game, and didnt spend enough time probably on the pass defense and the giants torched us on passing in the 1st game.
3. Did or did not it was coach joe d that said we need to get a punt returner and got rossum and not wade, and then jerry jones said something similar to crayton? Then crayton got demoted, then when he stepped back in he got a new attitude and performed better.
4. Did jerry jones say that weve got to get ogletree involved more but wade said i dont know about that, but when issue was forced we saw ogletree and he was positive with some key plays for us in first couple of games?
5. Did or did not wade say i have confidence in folk there is no problem, but he kept missing field goals right and left, and finally wade say there is a problem after a crucial field goal miss. Did or did not wade say the laces were hit by folk which they should not have been, but when DC Fanatic showed it on video laces werent hit like wade said? Again, another cover up by wade to take heat off of the players with no accountability to them till issue was forced?
6. Did or did not newman say that some of the coaches arent accountable?

Again, I posted in another post that wade needs to let some of this stuff out when media interviews him, not try to be cool, calm and collected, sometimes players have to know your not going to stand for them messing up or else you will make changes, cut or release or trade or demote players.

Did or did not a player texted in after wade said after the game oss to the giants everything is ok dont worry. The player replied SOS, which stood for same old stuff?

My point being, if wade is laid back some with the media, laid back in fixing things when he should have fixed them before we lost a game or two, then how laid back is he with the players when they mess up.

Its horse feathers when a head coach like wade says like crying etc just really isnt it to the players, but did or did not Tom Landry cry in front of the players, and the players said that was what turned the team around and unified the players towards landry and started the cowboys on winning streak in 1965?

Grown men do cry, get angry, let it out, just like you told me what you said. I wasnt trying to call call you out like you probably thought i was. I was simply trying to make a point and said you missed the point to me about this whole issue of players and wade.

Sometimes just being angry with the players isnt enough, you have to get tough with them, set them down like crayton was sat down, etc. Just saying it doesnt work,thats the point i am trying to make Hostile, and just staying or trying to be cool calm and collected doesnt work, either.

You have to let the players, media, coaches really know how you feel.

On top of that, I have never called anyone beyond worthless or etc. We all are created in the image of God, now do we get on each others nerves now and then, yes, or angry or upset yes. Again, thats my point, your saying how you feel, its not a press conference, but your stating something and being forward about it, thats something that wade needs to do and what some of us fans want to hear.

We just dont want to hear words everything is ok, dont worrry. WE want action.

 

[utrunner07]

As far as why do the last Decembers matter Brooking...because you have a head coach that does not do well in the later parts of the season, never has...thats why it matters. Sure you wipe the slate clear at the end of every December but when you have a coach that has shown he has problems (or at least his teams have problems) EVERY SINGLY DECEMBER...you are going to wonder...

 

[Hostile]

Would you please refer me to the post where I made such a statement? Because I'm not seeing it in my post history. The only thing I said about the game in regards to Dallas is that I'm tired of hearing them talk. Wrong realist? I think so.

I am getting that gist from you in this post. Particularly the comment in ( ).

http://cowboyszone.com/forums/showpost.php?p=3109668&postcount=18

If they beat the Giants, they will be fine. They will still have the "yeah, but" crowd giving them heck. Internally, the team will have to feel good about sending their biggest rival (from a player's perspective) reeling though and I can't imagine they wouldn't be very confident after that.

If they don't, it's high time for panic mode. Hellfire and brimstone will descend upon this team if they lose on Sunday for any reason. It'll be even worse if it's something that can be pinned on Tony Romo. We've seen how this team has reacted to the kind of adversity they'll face if they lose this one and the results haven't been pretty. You can crow about leadership, but I'm not buying it. Anybody can be a leader when a team's winning.

If we had won I have not one doubt in the world that it would not have been a big win because the Giants were reeling and easy pickings.

 

[vta]

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