CFZ Kellen Moore compared to some other young OCs

[Bobhaze]

He was great. For 7 weeks. The problem is. The league figured him out, he ran out of wrinkles and ideas and was just left with Garretts out dated scheme.

We have seen this movie before. I was hoping Moore wasn't as stubborn as his 2 teachers but he has proven me wrong.

That’s the part about being successful as a coordinator on either side of the ball- what adjustments do you make when other teams coordinators start figuring out ways to stop you?

If you listen to the Tampa defensive players like Shaq Barrett after the game Sun night, they all talked about how easy it is know what kind of routes the receivers are going to run. Curls and comebacks. A real staple of the Garrett years. But not what the really innovative OCs are doing.

When you look at what kind of routes Cooper Kupp often runs, it is a scheme route. Meaning the play design is half the reason you can get open. Dallas rarely is able to scheme people open. It mostly depends on a player’s one on one ability to get open. Which is ok if you have a huge talent advantage. Look at our receivers and tell me where we have a consistent talent advantage.

 

[Captain-Crash]

nobody ever knew what we did back in the 90s. nobody could tell we were going to run the ball.

 

[Bobhaze]

yeah, you get to be the number one offense not knowing anything with this team.
how about blaming the lazy butt players who are too busy trying to start a side business and make up stupid dances or signs when they do their job on the field.

I love listening to the excuses, just don't blame the loser players who are out there promoting themselves. sheesh. smh

They certainly deserve plenty of blame too. I’m just saying the players are not getting much “scheme help” from the OC.

 

[SteveTheCowboy]

Kellen Moore got handed the position with no merit. I think we all felt great about Kellen Moore after year 1. You usually see that as opposing teams don't know exactly what to prepare for against a new coordinator and see a lift in the first year. In year 2 he got a pass because Dak went down early. Year 3 we saw big concerns against better teams, as talent alone wasn't enough to consistently perform.

JJ said...literally "learn on the job".

WHAT? billions dollar franchise...hired a 2nd in command....to learn on the job?

Well this went about as expected.

 

[SteveTheCowboy]

nobody ever knew what we did back in the 90s. nobody could tell we were going to run the ball.

That's not how I remembered. I remember players (us) saying they (them) knew, sometimes we even told them. And we did it anyway. That's how badash those teams were.

 

[Captain-Crash]

That's not how I remembered. I remember players (us) saying they (them) knew, sometimes we even told them. And we did it anyway. That's how badass those teams were.

it was sarcasm. sorry. i should have used the

 

[Bobhaze]

JJ said...literally "learn on the job".

WHAT? billions dollar franchise...hired a 2nd in command....to learn on the job?

Well this went about as expected.

We may be the only franchise in the NFL that considers “learning on the job” as a viable prospect for a coordinator…even a head coach! The Jason Garrett decade long experiment was the prime example. Or Dave Campo’s three year debacle. Jerry has no problem throwing multiple seasons away and even great players careers away on experiments.

That only happens with people who are not accountable for results.

 

[USArmyVet]

It’s hard to believe but Jerry once declared a “rising young offensive mind” known as Kellen Moore was going to be a rising star in this league. Moore is now in his 4th season as an NFL offensive coordinator. He still looks like he’s in year one to me.

Can anyone say with a straight face he has improved or shown himself to be that “rising young offensive mind” he was advertised to be? That we know of, he’s interviewed for at least 3 NFL HC positions and several college jobs and has yet to be seen by anyone other than JJ as a great offensive mind.

Let’s do some comparing to some other young NFL OCs who have proven to be a lot more than Kellen Moore.

• Sean McVey- under Mike Shanahan when he was in Wash, McVay became the OC in 2016 at age 28. He served in that role for 3 years before top shelf GM Les Snead of the rams saw his potential and made SMcV the youngest HC in NFL history. In his 5 years with rams, SMcV has won 7 playoff games including 2 NFC championships and a SB with two different QBs.

• Kyle Shanahan- the current niners HC became an OC at aged 28 at Houston and later was an OC at Cle, Was and Atl. While in Atl, his offense won an NFC championship and afterwards he was hired by SF as it’s HC at age 37. His niners teams have won 4 playoff games the last 4 seasons (the same number our Cowboys have won in 27 years!) including an NFC championship.

• Matt LaFluer- the HC of the packers was a rising young coach for years. He was the QBs coach in Atl when they went to the SB, then was OC under Sean McVay at LA in 2017 then later for the Titans. The pack hired in him in 2019 as their HC. He has only won 2 playoff games at GB in 3 seasons but that’s 3 more than Kellen Moore has won.

Whatever Jerry saw in Kellen Moore in 2019 to name him his OC at 28….it so far has been a dud. And when you look at the three guys mentioned above who were also considered “rising stars”, KM has a very long way to go be considered anywhere near what he was advertised to be.

Jason Garrett was considered an up and coming rising star OC and eventually earned his HC shot with Dallas.....and how did that turn out? Perhaps it is not Moore but rather being in Dallas that is the problem as it would seem Dallas is the trailer park of NFL run teams.

 

[TheCoolFan]

Byron Leftwich took Kellen Moore to school on Sunday and I would hire him as a HC before considering Kellen. In the NFL, Kellen learned from Jason Garrett and Scott Linehan. I'd rather have an OC who came from the McVay or Shanahan tree. It's no surprise that Kellen has no feel for the running game with his lack of overall experience as an assistant.

 

[DandyTom64]

yeah, you get to be the number one offense not knowing anything with this team.
how about blaming the lazy butt players who are too busy trying to start a side business and make up stupid dances or signs when they do their job on the field.

I love listening to the excuses, just don't blame the loser players who are out there promoting themselves. sheesh. smh

Or the guys that are looking in their closet wondering what flamboyant outfit he's going to wear today.

 

[Hennessy_King]

I believe that he will constantly be linked to Garrett which doesn't hold much value outside of our organization

More so linked to linehan who was a joke of a coach

 

[SteveTheCowboy]

it was sarcasm. sorry. i should have used the

I will check my meter.....might need calibrated.

Tap tap tap.....oh there it goes. It was jammed.

 

[JayFord]

if youre going off numbers alone he would actually be better than all of them except mcvey

if youre going off watching game then Kellen shouldnt be a OC at all

those other ones ive watched many times they actually have a feel for the game

 

[JayFord]

those three names you listed

at one point they were all on Washingtons coaching staff at the same time

 

[nalam]

Unfortunately, after game 1 we aren't seeing " some teams gonna poach our genius OC" threads like last year

I was hoping someone will “ poach” him and Mccarthy will have offense under his wings this year. But Alas other teams have smarter people.

 

[morat1959]

Coming from the same pretend GM who said Red was the next great one. This organization is so dysfunctional. It starts and ends at the top or bottom whichever way you look at it.

 

[Captain-Crash]

really don't know why we keep complaining about the coaches. let's get the guys some good dance instructors and sign language teachers. They seem more concerned about doing some stupid dance or flashing some stupid hand signs. sheesh. the self-promotion crap can't get any better. who cares if they can play? just have a stupid dance-off or some stupid hand sign contest.
*throws up so random stupid hand sign while doing a stupid dance* winning...

 

[USArmyVet]

Interesting how Moore gets slammed and trashed on for being a piss poor OC yet Dak gets credit for running the league's top ranked offense last season and in 2019.....I guess Moore had no part in that and Dak drew up all the plays and strategy all by himself.

 

[Captain-Crash]

Interesting how Moore gets slammed and trashed on for being a piss poor OC yet Dak gets credit for running the league's top ranked offense last season and in 2019.....I guess Moore had no part in that and Dak drew up all the plays and strategy all by himself.

yep he changed the plays but can't change the plays.

 

[Captain-Crash]

yep, a dance-off and a hand sign playoff are what the NFL needs. This will cut down on CTE injuries in the NFL, the only problem is the fans will certainly be injured watching this crap.