CFZ Kellen Moore compared to some other young OCs

[terra]

Moore does not seem to be able to adjust during a game; that is his prime failing.

But then when was the last time we had a coach who could- in any position?

 

[buddieluver]

It's also important to note that the Football Team let two of those guys get away

Mike McDaniel was also on that staff.

 

[75boyz]

BUT...

Number one offense? (Sarcasm extreme)

Trust me I'm kidding. That crowd is my favorite. They have absolutely zero contextual understanding of how and why that stat was earned .

And they'll ride it like those few who said Jaylon Smith makes a lot of tackles so he must be good, lol.

This offense peaked circa 2014 & 2016 as a downhill running team with all the proper pieces in place.

Kellen pulled off a semi look alike version but with a shared carries backfield last year for the first 6-7 games. THAT was how the offense should be run.

The whole it's a passing league and thus they need to be a high volume pass attack crap is absolutely ridiculous considering this QB's skillset.
The sooner Moore comes to terms with effectively scheming a last year's 1st 6-7 game rush based system the sooner this offense will come to being productive again.

Can he do it? He mentored under Linehan and Garrett who were strong run game advocates.

Put up or shut up time.

 

[Ranched]

Moore himself, who has gone from a hot head-coaching candidate to someone who won’t get any interviews next spring. MM had a chance to get rid of him & didn't!

 

[guag]

The pack hired in him in 2019 as their HC. He has only won 2 playoff games at GB in 3 seasons but that’s 2 more than Kellen Moore has won.

Damn, Kellen is so bad that he has actually won -1 playoff games.

 

[phildadon86]

BUT...

Number one offense? (Sarcasm extreme)

Trust me I'm kidding. That crowd is my favorite. They have absolutely zero contextual understanding of how and why that stat was earned .

And they'll ride it like those few who said Jaylon Smith makes a lot of tackles so he must be good, lol.

This offense peaked circa 2014 & 2016 as a downhill running team with all the proper pieces in place.

Kellen pulled off a semi look alike version but with a shared carries backfield last year for the first 6-7 games. THAT was how the offense should be run.

The whole it's a passing league and thus they need to be a high volume pass attack crap is absolutely ridiculous considering this QB's skillset.
The sooner Moore comes to terms with effectively scheming a last year's 1st 6-7 game rush based system the sooner this offense will come to being productive again.

Can he do it? He mentored under Linehan and Garrett who were strong run game advocates.

Put up or shut up time.

Hold on.

Linehan and Garrett were run game advocates? Garrett NOTORIOUSLY would abandon the run when it was working. Constantly. The only years they actually ran the ball were 2016 and 2014.

Thats 2 years out of 10.

 

[Captain-Crash]

I think the NFL rules committee should change the number of quarters to play to 1. That way each guy who did his job in the play can dance after the play. Heck if Don Cornelius was alive he could start a line and the guys could dance after the play. Hellen Keller coming off the sidelines throwing up hand signs to every play. One quarter might still last 3 hours but it would be worth it. The new NFL, if not for you old foggies.

 

[Bobhaze]

Interesting how Moore gets slammed and trashed on for being a piss poor OC yet Dak gets credit for running the league's top ranked offense last season and in 2019.....I guess Moore had no part in that and Dak drew up all the plays and strategy all by himself.

Dak definitely deserves some major responsibility for Sun night and other games in the past. The game Sun was the worst of his career. He also deserves some credit too for some games in the past but that’s not a popular opinion for a QB of a marquee team who has won one playoff game in six years.

 

[jsb357]

Jerry will solve the dilemma posed by Hazey and elevate Moore to HC next season.

 

[Bobhaze]

Two out of his three years they've had the #1 offense in yards. That has to account for something. Yes, he's got some improvements to make and this year will tell us a lot more since he has less weapons. But to say he's a, "dud," seems a little over the top. Garrett in NY was a dud.

There have been several analyses of their last few games showing Dak missing throws, making late reads, etc. If the plays are there and not being executed, that goes on the players. I have my theory about pre-snap manipulation by defenses and I think having some games with Rush will confirm or deny my suspicions. These few weeks without Dak should tell us exactly who Moore is. They were able to pull off a win in Minnesota last year, which is more than we can say for previous coordinators when we lost our QB1.

Great points and fair analysis.

 

[Big D]

Hold on.

Linehan and Garrett were run game advocates? Garrett NOTORIOUSLY would abandon the run when it was working. Constantly. The only years they actually ran the ball were 2016 and 2014.

Thats 2 years out of 10.

Coincidentally the best 2 years of our last 2 qbs careers.

 

[Cowfan75]

I still want to know who was responsible for calling the last play of last season. Was it really Moore? Whoever it was should have been fired immediately.

 

[Bobhaze]

Damn, Kellen is so bad that he has actually won -1 playoff games.

As an OC, KM has never won a playoff game. Officially, he’s 0-1.

 

[USArmyVet]

BUT...

Number one offense? (Sarcasm extreme)

Trust me I'm kidding. That crowd is my favorite. They have absolutely zero contextual understanding of how and why that stat was earned .

And they'll ride it like those few who said Jaylon Smith makes a lot of tackles so he must be good, lol.

This offense peaked circa 2014 & 2016 as a downhill running team with all the proper pieces in place.

Kellen pulled off a semi look alike version but with a shared carries backfield last year for the first 6-7 games. THAT was how the offense should be run.

The whole it's a passing league and thus they need to be a high volume pass attack crap is absolutely ridiculous considering this QB's skillset.
The sooner Moore comes to terms with effectively scheming a last year's 1st 6-7 game rush based system the sooner this offense will come to being productive again.

Can he do it? He mentored under Linehan and Garrett who were strong run game advocates.

Put up or shut up time.

So you point to the first 6-7 games of last season as Moore being a quality OC based on the Dallas offense performance. Well, do you really think the supposed injuries to both Zeke and Dak had anything to do with the downward Dallas offense output?
Therefore, how could that be Moore's fault?

 

[USArmyVet]

As an OC, KM has never won a playoff game. Officially, he’s 0-1.

....and as the starting Dallas QB Dak has won only 1 playoff game....yet he is heralded as a Top 10 QB and was rewarded with a $160M contract......

 

[Rockport]

It’s hard to believe but Jerry once declared a “rising young offensive mind” known as Kellen Moore was going to be a rising star in this league. Moore is now in his 4th season as an NFL offensive coordinator. He still looks like he’s in year one to me.

Can anyone say with a straight face he has improved or shown himself to be that “rising young offensive mind” he was advertised to be? That we know of, he’s interviewed for at least 3 NFL HC positions and several college jobs and has yet to be seen by anyone other than JJ as a great offensive mind.

Let’s do some comparing to some other young NFL OCs who have proven to be a lot more than Kellen Moore.

• Sean McVey- under Mike Shanahan when he was in Wash, McVay became the OC in 2016 at age 28. He served in that role for 3 years before top shelf GM Les Snead of the rams saw his potential and made SMcV the youngest HC in NFL history. In his 5 years with rams, SMcV has won 7 playoff games including 2 NFC championships and a SB with two different QBs.

• Kyle Shanahan- the current niners HC became an OC at aged 28 at Houston and later was an OC at Cle, Was and Atl. While in Atl, his offense won an NFC championship and afterwards he was hired by SF as it’s HC at age 37. His niners teams have won 4 playoff games the last 4 seasons (the same number our Cowboys have won in 27 years!) including an NFC championship.

• Matt LaFluer- the HC of the packers was a rising young coach for years. He was the QBs coach in Atl when they went to the SB, then was OC under Sean McVay at LA in 2017 then later for the Titans. The pack hired in him in 2019 as their HC. He has only won 2 playoff games at GB in 3 seasons but that’s 2 more than Kellen Moore has won.

Whatever Jerry saw in Kellen Moore in 2019 to name him his OC at 28….it so far has been a dud. And when you look at the three guys mentioned above who were also considered “rising stars”, KM has a very long way to go be considered anywhere near what he was advertised to be.

His Boise St. offense just doesn’t work in the NFL and he seems to refuse to change. A bit of narcissism going on.

 

[Rockport]

....and as the starting Dallas QB Dak has won only 1 playoff game....yet he is heralded as a Top 10 QB and was rewarded with a $160M contract......

It’s obvious as the nose on your face that Moore has failed. You Dak haters just have one agenda and are unable to see the big picture.

 

[CyberB0b]

It’s hard to believe but Jerry once declared a “rising young offensive mind” known as Kellen Moore was going to be a rising star in this league. Moore is now in his 4th season as an NFL offensive coordinator. He still looks like he’s in year one to me.

Can anyone say with a straight face he has improved or shown himself to be that “rising young offensive mind” he was advertised to be? That we know of, he’s interviewed for at least 3 NFL HC positions and several college jobs and has yet to be seen by anyone other than JJ as a great offensive mind.

Let’s do some comparing to some other young NFL OCs who have proven to be a lot more than Kellen Moore.

• Sean McVey- under Mike Shanahan when he was in Wash, McVay became the OC in 2016 at age 28. He served in that role for 3 years before top shelf GM Les Snead of the rams saw his potential and made SMcV the youngest HC in NFL history. In his 5 years with rams, SMcV has won 7 playoff games including 2 NFC championships and a SB with two different QBs.

• Kyle Shanahan- the current niners HC became an OC at aged 28 at Houston and later was an OC at Cle, Was and Atl. While in Atl, his offense won an NFC championship and afterwards he was hired by SF as it’s HC at age 37. His niners teams have won 4 playoff games the last 4 seasons (the same number our Cowboys have won in 27 years!) including an NFC championship.

• Matt LaFluer- the HC of the packers was a rising young coach for years. He was the QBs coach in Atl when they went to the SB, then was OC under Sean McVay at LA in 2017 then later for the Titans. The pack hired in him in 2019 as their HC. He has only won 2 playoff games at GB in 3 seasons but that’s 2 more than Kellen Moore has won.

Whatever Jerry saw in Kellen Moore in 2019 to name him his OC at 28….it so far has been a dud. And when you look at the three guys mentioned above who were also considered “rising stars”, KM has a very long way to go be considered anywhere near what he was advertised to be.

Yeah, pretty similar to the Jason Garrett story arch. Garrett was a QB coach for a couple of years before being anointed the OC before hiring the head coach. Jerry's ego won't let him evaluate these guys for what they are: Frauds.

 

[Creeper]

There's 3 parts to being an offensive coordinator
1. is concept
2 is execution
3 is play calling
Concept has to fit your quarterback's skill set. Dak is not a pocket quarterback and never will be so you gotta come up with a type of run and shoot that's the only hope. I had hoped they spent the off season developing a scheme similar to 2016 where he would have a chance and help the OL but for whatever reason they didn't.

Execution: starts with the offensive line and I'm not even gonna go any further because our coaching is garbage and if I'm KM I be telling Jerry I need a competent line coach. That should have happened immediately after the 49er game.
Play calling: I thought he came out well the other night. Tampa was playing us pretty much straight up, the run game was working. Then Tampa dropped its corners and moved people up a few steps in middle and that was all she wrote. When your quarterback is incapable of throwing outside, deep, or into a crowded middle you're pretty much done.
The good news Cooper is capable of throwing into a crowded middle and I'm going to see what Moore can do with a serviceable QB this week

but this is it.

I agree with you about what kind of QB Dak should be but at the same time he seems to like standing in the pocket looking for someplace to throw the football. There are times when he has a chance to get outside the pocket and extend plays or give his receivers a chance to get loose but he pretty much stands there and forces one into a covered receiver.

 

[USArmyVet]

It’s obvious as the nose on your face that Moore has failed. You Dak haters just have one agenda and are unable to see the big picture.

Typical Rock to Dak's rescue the minute any blame is placed on him.