CFZ Kellen Moore compared to some other young OCs

[CWR]

What happened to the #1 offense that we heard and Dak played at MVP level, Dak set NFL records those first 4 games. Now boy wonder is the fault, So Dak carried Moore, just can’t make this stuff up

It's almost like one side won't give Dak credit, and one side won't give KM credit.

Yet, both sides are too stupidly blind to see the irony of their arguments.

Dak fan = KM sucks
KM fan = Dak sucks

I think I'm up to speed.

 

[john van brocklin]

It’s hard to believe but Jerry once declared a “rising young offensive mind” known as Kellen Moore was going to be a rising star in this league. Moore is now in his 4th season as an NFL offensive coordinator. He still looks like he’s in year one to me.

Can anyone say with a straight face he has improved or shown himself to be that “rising young offensive mind” he was advertised to be? That we know of, he’s interviewed for at least 3 NFL HC positions and several college jobs and has yet to be seen by anyone other than JJ as a great offensive mind.

Let’s do some comparing to some other young NFL OCs who have proven to be a lot more than Kellen Moore.

• Sean McVey- under Mike Shanahan when he was in Wash, McVay became the OC in 2016 at age 28. He served in that role for 3 years before top shelf GM Les Snead of the rams saw his potential and made SMcV the youngest HC in NFL history. In his 5 years with rams, SMcV has won 7 playoff games including 2 NFC championships and a SB with two different QBs.

• Kyle Shanahan- the current niners HC became an OC at aged 28 at Houston and later was an OC at Cle, Was and Atl. While in Atl, his offense won an NFC championship and afterwards he was hired by SF as it’s HC at age 37. His niners teams have won 4 playoff games the last 4 seasons (the same number our Cowboys have won in 27 years!) including an NFC championship.

• Matt LaFluer- the HC of the packers was a rising young coach for years. He was the QBs coach in Atl when they went to the SB, then was OC under Sean McVay at LA in 2017 then later for the Titans. The pack hired in him in 2019 as their HC. He has only won 2 playoff games at GB in 3 seasons but that’s 2 more than Kellen Moore has won.

Whatever Jerry saw in Kellen Moore in 2019 to name him his OC at 28….it so far has been a dud. And when you look at the three guys mentioned above who were also considered “rising stars”, KM has a very long way to go be considered anywhere near what he was advertised to be.

This is what you get when you have a non football guy making tricky football decisions.
This is why 27 years without a SB.
There's a reason folks....

 

[nobody]

I get that. At the same time, if we don't have a top QB, which I don't think we do, that production means something. Cowboys aren't the only team who played the NFC East last year and not everyone put up those kind of numbers. I'm not discounting the powder puff schedule, just saying calling Moore a dud or a failure seems premature. I think we'll have a better idea based on how this year plays out.

Moore proved he was a dud from more than the last game and last season. It was multiple seasons. He just won't adjust to his players strengths and insists on running his system like he has the exact players he needs. He won't adapt. Like Garrett he inexplicably moves away from what is working.

 

[nobody]

It's almost like one side won't give Dak credit, and one side won't give KM credit.

Yet, both sides are too stupidly blind to see the irony of their arguments.

Dak fan = KM sucks
KM fan = Dak sucks

I think I'm up to speed.

They both suck now. Together they're a horrible combination for the success of the team post-season.

 

[Brax]

It's almost like one side won't give Dak credit, and one side won't give KM credit.

Yet, both sides are too stupidly blind to see the irony of their arguments.

Dak fan = KM sucks
KM fan = Dak sucks

I think I'm up to speed.

It’s both cannot have it all one way, but don’t forget 5 Teams interviewed him for HC. I don’t know who’s to blame mostly but to me MM is the main problem, just my 2 cents.

 

[JayFord]

Moore does not seem to be able to adjust during a game; that is his prime failing.

But then when was the last time we had a coach who could- in any position?

McCarthy does Adjust and Kellen does adjust as well

problem is Kellen Adjust the wrong things at the wrong times......when it doesnt need to be adjusted Kellen will adjust it

 

[fivetwos]

We routinely have garbage coaching for several reasons that we all know about.

Qualifications 1 through 20 are about Jerry and his ego. Whatever you may know about football or talent you may have falls in thereafter.

I'm actually surprised this hasn't gotten much worse much more quickly.

 

[CWR]

They both suck now. Together they're a horrible combination for the success of the team post-season.

Agreed and they are both capable of doing better.

I personally believe it has to start with the coordinator emphasizing the run game, and taking advantage of PA, and roll outs etc. Use Daks legs, he's not a pure pocket passer.

Dak isn't going to get past this without KM changing it up.

 

[fivetwos]

It’s both cannot have it all one way, but don’t forget 5 Teams interviewed him for HC. I don’t know who’s to blame mostly but to me MM is the main problem, just my 2 cents.

It's neither.

Dak needs to be a bus driver.

Jerry hired Moore to make him more than that, and he won't back off of it because of the contract....I mean, and the fact that Jerry can't tell the difference between Prescott and Rodgers.

He thinks he has Rodgers because he pays Dak that way.

That's why they skimped on the roster this year. He figures Dak should be able to carry everyone.

 

[Brax]

It's neither.

Dak needs to be a bus driver.

Jerry hired Moore to make him more than that, and he won't back off of it because of the contract....I mean, and the fact that Jerry can't tell the difference between Prescott and Rodgers.

He thinks he has Rodgers because he pays Dak that way.

That's why they skimped on the roster this year. He figures Dak should be able to carry everyone.

Very good take.

 

[Bobhaze]

It's almost like one side won't give Dak credit, and one side won't give KM credit.

Yet, both sides are too stupidly blind to see the irony of their arguments.

Dak fan = KM sucks
KM fan = Dak sucks

I think I'm up to speed.

I disagree. It’s not as simple as “either/or”. Both Dak and KM deserve some major criticism. I’m a Cowboys fan that wants to win. I don’t care who’s under center or calling plays. And the biggest block to us winning again sits in the owner’s box.

 

[nobody]

Agreed and they are both capable of doing better.

I personally believe it has to start with the coordinator emphasizing the run game, and taking advantage of PA, and roll outs etc. Use Daks legs, he's not a pure pocket passer.

Dak isn't going to get past this without KM changing it up.

I think Dak's broken. The ankle injury then the injury last year made him play scared. The off-season should have fixed it but it didn't. Moore did him no favors but he has to execute too. Throwing behind receivers all the time at this stage in his career is unacceptable.

Moore seems incapable of changing and adapting. He learned from Garrett too well. Dump what works, go with your stubborn plan no matter what. Who cares if you don't have the personnel or they're struggling? Stick with the plan! Full steam ahead into the iceberg. I'm done with these two.

 

[charron]

The difference is each of those other young coaches spent years learning to coach before being an OC or HC. Not Moore. He was a player then quickly became an OC way too soon. He doesn't have the experience needed to teach these guys nor does he his own network of coaches who are on his same page as far as what and how to teach. KM looks great when the players can overcome the scheme but if they can't then he looks bad, real bad. he's been exposed a few times in the past but this is going to be a real challenge this year and MM doesn't seem to care to help. Dude was setup to fail.