CFZ Kellen Moore compared to some other young OCs

[PA Cowboy Fan]

He's the same as Garrett. Jerry saw something in him too. And now nobody wants him. If Jerry recognizes a bright young coach, chances are he'll be a dud.

 

[JustChip]

I believe that he will constantly be linked to Garrett which doesn't hold much value outside of our organization

He’s probably linked to Jerry as much as Garrett, if not more. The Dallas coaching tree is worse than my drought stricken trees. The only successful assistant even back to Jimmy has been Sean Payton and he was a Parcells guy.

 

[nobody]

Two out of his three years they've had the #1 offense in yards. That has to account for something. Yes, he's got some improvements to make and this year will tell us a lot more since he has less weapons. But to say he's a, "dud," seems a little over the top. Garrett in NY was a dud.

There have been several analyses of their last few games showing Dak missing throws, making late reads, etc. If the plays are there and not being executed, that goes on the players. I have my theory about pre-snap manipulation by defenses and I think having some games with Rush will confirm or deny my suspicions. These few weeks without Dak should tell us exactly who Moore is. They were able to pull off a win in Minnesota last year, which is more than we can say for previous coordinators when we lost our QB1.

those amazing yards were run up against terrible teams. Where was his vaunted offense when it mattered? NOWHERE. Sorry, he's the same as Garrett. He sucks.

 

[Haimerej]

those amazing yards were run up against terrible teams. Where was his vaunted offense when it mattered? NOWHERE. Sorry, he's the same as Garrett. He sucks.

I get that. At the same time, if we don't have a top QB, which I don't think we do, that production means something. Cowboys aren't the only team who played the NFC East last year and not everyone put up those kind of numbers. I'm not discounting the powder puff schedule, just saying calling Moore a dud or a failure seems premature. I think we'll have a better idea based on how this year plays out.

 

[shabazz]

He’s probably linked to Jerry as much as Garrett, if not more. The Dallas coaching tree is worse than my drought stricken trees. The only successful assistant even back to Jimmy has been Sean Payton and he was a Parcells guy.

true, lately the Dallas coaching tree is a a stinkweed….I would have said Balsa but I’m not ware of the weak, soft tree that bears it

 

[Captain-Crash]

lmao, like we are getting anybody but one of the grandkids.
slow learners. just support this crap and quit thinking.

 

[Silly]

Who is the QB coach that helps Dak see the field and distribute the ball? Anyway, I hope they can help.

 

[Rockport]

Typical Rock to Dak's rescue the minute any blame is placed on him.

 

[Brax]

It’s hard to believe but Jerry once declared a “rising young offensive mind” known as Kellen Moore was going to be a rising star in this league. Moore is now in his 4th season as an NFL offensive coordinator. He still looks like he’s in year one to me.

Can anyone say with a straight face he has improved or shown himself to be that “rising young offensive mind” he was advertised to be? That we know of, he’s interviewed for at least 3 NFL HC positions and several college jobs and has yet to be seen by anyone other than JJ as a great offensive mind.

Let’s do some comparing to some other young NFL OCs who have proven to be a lot more than Kellen Moore.

• Sean McVey- under Mike Shanahan when he was in Wash, McVay became the OC in 2016 at age 28. He served in that role for 3 years before top shelf GM Les Snead of the rams saw his potential and made SMcV the youngest HC in NFL history. In his 5 years with rams, SMcV has won 7 playoff games including 2 NFC championships and a SB with two different QBs.

• Kyle Shanahan- the current niners HC became an OC at aged 28 at Houston and later was an OC at Cle, Was and Atl. While in Atl, his offense won an NFC championship and afterwards he was hired by SF as it’s HC at age 37. His niners teams have won 4 playoff games the last 4 seasons (the same number our Cowboys have won in 27 years!) including an NFC championship.

• Matt LaFluer- the HC of the packers was a rising young coach for years. He was the QBs coach in Atl when they went to the SB, then was OC under Sean McVay at LA in 2017 then later for the Titans. The pack hired in him in 2019 as their HC. He has only won 2 playoff games at GB in 3 seasons but that’s 2 more than Kellen Moore has won.

Whatever Jerry saw in Kellen Moore in 2019 to name him his OC at 28….it so far has been a dud. And when you look at the three guys mentioned above who were also considered “rising stars”, KM has a very long way to go be considered anywhere near what he was advertised to be.

Bib hate to break it to you but he had at least 5 HC interviews and was a finalist in at least one so at least 1 thought enough of him. So the #1 O means nothing what exactly do you want , every OC the come here dies ever wonder why.

 

[CWR]

There's 3 parts to being an offensive coordinator
1. is concept
2 is execution
3 is play calling
Concept has to fit your quarterback's skill set. Dak is not a pocket quarterback and never will be so you gotta come up with a type of run and shoot that's the only hope. I had hoped they spent the off season developing a scheme similar to 2016 where he would have a chance and help the OL but for whatever reason they didn't.

Execution: starts with the offensive line and I'm not even gonna go any further because our coaching is garbage and if I'm KM I be telling Jerry I need a competent line coach. That should have happened immediately after the 49er game.
Play calling: I thought he came out well the other night. Tampa was playing us pretty much straight up, the run game was working. Then Tampa dropped its corners and moved people up a few steps in middle and that was all she wrote. When your quarterback is incapable of throwing outside, deep, or into a crowded middle you're pretty much done.
The good news Cooper is capable of throwing into a crowded middle and I'm going to see what Moore can do with a serviceable QB this week

but this is it.

Lol, you thought KMs play calling came out well? Wow, we watched two entirely different games.

 

[TequilaCowboy]

KM belongs back at Boise St. Wish he had taken that job but then i wonder who would have been his replacement. Another unqualified, inexperienced and experimental joke Jerry comes up with. MM doesn't look like he wants that job and be held even more accountable. Right now, he likes deferring all those questions to KM.

 

[Nexx]

I mean... Kellen is kind handicapped by his limited skills QB. Look at what happened when LA got a real QB.

 

[CWR]

Two out of his three years they've had the #1 offense in yards. That has to account for something. Yes, he's got some improvements to make and this year will tell us a lot more since he has less weapons. But to say he's a, "dud," seems a little over the top. Garrett in NY was a dud.

There have been several analyses of their last few games showing Dak missing throws, making late reads, etc. If the plays are there and not being executed, that goes on the players. I have my theory about pre-snap manipulation by defenses and I think having some games with Rush will confirm or deny my suspicions. These few weeks without Dak should tell us exactly who Moore is. They were able to pull off a win in Minnesota last year, which is more than we can say for previous coordinators when we lost our QB1.

There are a lot of delusional fans who seem to think Dallas will be a better team without Dak.

It was cute when they thought the same thing about Andy Dalton.

It's a gorgeous set up though, because Dak probably turned in his worst game ever last week. So now all Rush has to do is not replicate Daks worst and everyone can run around saying "see, Rush is better."

It's gonna be an entertaining week on this board. Lol

 

[blueblood70]

answer is NO

so most of us are now seeing the light how can we get MM to go to Jones and demand to take the Play calling back and if needed save face dont announce it to the public, just let it happen,. similar to NE not announcing who their OC is and who's actually calling plays.. Isn't Reid technically calling the pays still in KC, most likely why that OC hasnt got job. I mean that was MM specialty why not take it back, i mean who decides on going for it doesn't take a lot of extra effort for 4th down or FG or go for it or what not. Maybe the distraction will make MM sharper be more in tune with the game flow.

If MM wants to save his Job , he can't allow Moore to sink his battleship.

just take the play calling and game planning away from KM and if he doesn't like it hope he quits. The entire premise to keep the offense the same and to make MM transition easier was ok at first, its no longer acceptable given the playcalls seem to be the same ie stale ie easily recognized and shut down by the better defenses with real talent.

 

[blueblood70]

I mean... Kellen is kind handicapped by his limited skills QB. Look at what happened when LA got a real QB.

another ignore

 

[Aven8]

Was really hoping Miami would hire him last season.

 

[CWR]

I mean... Kellen is kind handicapped by his limited skills QB. Look at what happened when LA got a real QB.

Dak didn't force KM not to adjust since DENVER.

Dak didn't force KM to call ridiculous trick plays every time we had any offensive momentum.

I'll also go out on a limb and say he didn't force KM to ignore the run game and not realize Zeke had the hot hand.

I don’t like being in a position to defend Dak right now, as he is clearly questionable. However, the fact anyone would let KM, or MM negligence slide is too much.

 

[Nexx]

There are a lot of delusional fans who seem to think Dallas will be a better team without Dak.

It was cute when they thought the same thing about Andy Dalton.

It's a gorgeous set up though, because Dak probably turned in his worst game ever last week. So now all Rush has to do is not replicate Daks worst and everyone can run around saying "see, Rush is better."

It's gonna be an entertaining week on this board. Lol

go read my post in the thread about confidence if Dak would have stayed healthy. let me educate you a little on why Dak sucks.

 

[CWR]

go read my post in the thread about confidence if Dak would have stayed healthy. let me educate you a little on why Dak sucks.

I did, it was a good post. Dak has issues, again I'm not denying that and I don't like defending him now.

Also AGAIN Rush is not an improvement. We played this game with Dalton and people were absolutely educated.

Your problem isn't as simplistic as Dak. KM and MM are trash. The oline has gone backwards under Philbin.

BTW you didn't respond to a single thing I pointed out, nice.

 

[Brax]

It’s obvious as the nose on your face that Moore has failed. You Dak haters just have one agenda and are unable to see the big picture.

What happened to the #1 offense that we heard and Dak played at MVP level, Dak set NFL records those first 4 games. Now boy wonder is the fault, So Dak carried Moore, just can’t make this stuff up