Kellen Moore listed as No. 2 quarterback

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Well, the Dallas coaches and personnel department know about a hundred million times more than you about football, and I'm on their side.

So.......you're torched.

Dallas coaches and personnel department also thought Hayden could play apparently. He couldn't. They also thought Thornton could play. He couldn't. They also thought Carr was going to be an elite CB so they paid him top money. He never was a top CB.

In simpler terms, the notion that the front office and coaches are infallible is bogus.
 

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So in other words, the notion that having him over Rush is smarter because he knows "more of the playbook" is a bogus excuse for the homers because in reality, Moore can't utilize a lot of the playbook because he can't make certain throws.

Rush can't do anything yet but heave it up for grabs. He's in the clueless phase.

A first-team NFL defense with a coordinator's gameplan full of disguised blitzes and coverages would destroy him right now.

Moore at least understands what he's looking at. Give Rush some time, like we did Romo.
 

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There are about 20 guys on planet Earth that can play NFL quarterback at an average to above average level. Almost every quarterback drafted turns into a bust. They are impossible to find.

This is the case for every team. Two or three teams have a legitimate backup QB that can step in and win games. That's it.

This must be your first NFL season.

And the NFL requires skills and abilities.

Believe it or not, not everyone walking this planet has them.

"This must be your first NFL season."
 

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Wait............. is someone trying to make the argument that no one in the league tried to sign Moore because they knew he was just going back to Dallas?

LOL. Stop. Please. My jaw hurts from laughing so hard.
 

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No, they never gave him the time of day. Ever.

That was pretty cool when you killed all the other Immortals with a broadsword in "Highlander" and became aware of the inner thoughts of every person on Earth. Congrats, there Can Be Only One!!
 

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Dallas coaches and personnel department also thought Hayden could play apparently. He couldn't. They also thought Thornton could play. He couldn't. They also thought Carr was going to be an elite CB so they paid him top money. He never was a top CB.

In simpler terms, the notion that the front office and coaches are infallible is bogus.

It's what they always run to win they're stuck in a losing argument.

"Well the Cowboys think..."

:lmao:
 

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Rush can't do anything yet but heave it up for grabs. He's in the clueless phase.

A first-team NFL defense with a coordinator's gameplan full of disguised blitzes and coverages would destroy him right now.

Moore at least understands what he's looking at. Give Rush some time, like we did Romo.

The fact Rush can heave it down the field gives him a heads up on Moore.

The reality is that if Prescott gets hurt, the Cowboys are in trouble. Moore ain't going to win you jack poop. That's obvious to anyone who doesn't have their head up the FO's butt. Rush probably isn't going to win you much either but he gives you a fighting chance because he can hit a deeper ball whereas when Moore plays, defenses just cover the short stuff and our offense looks inept.
 

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That was pretty cool when you killed all the other Immortals with a broadsword in "Highlander" and became aware of the inner thoughts of every person on Earth. Congrats, there Can Be Only One!!

I'm talking about real life and things that have actually happened. You can make up whatever stories you'd like. Reality supports everything I've said and you haven't refuted a single thing.

But yeah, you go on thinking that teams lined up for Kellen Moore.

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Wait............. is someone trying to make the argument that no one in the league tried to sign Moore because they knew he was just going back to Dallas?

LOL. Stop. Please. My jaw hurts from laughing so hard.

Can't make this stuff up.
 

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The fact Rush can heave it down the field gives him a heads up on Moore.

The reality is that if Prescott gets hurt, the Cowboys are in trouble. Moore ain't going to win you jack poop. That's obvious to anyone who doesn't have their head up the FO's butt. Rush probably isn't going to win you much either but he gives you a fighting chance because he can hit a deeper ball whereas when Moore plays, defenses just cover the short stuff and our offense looks inept.

And Rush would be learning. In the school of hard knocks for sure, but he'd be learning. Instead of reps and time being wasted on a guy who will never take you anywhere and never get better.
 

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I'm talking about real life and things that have actually happened. You can make up whatever stories you'd like. Reality supports everything I've said and you haven't refuted a single thing.

But yeah, you go on thinking that teams lined up for Kellen Moore.

I never said teams lined up for him. YOU said no one would bid on him because he sucks, which is the non-reality part of this thread that you can't back up. You have absolutely no clue what Moore's agent did or did not do or what phone calls he fielded (or not).
 

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So in other words, the notion that having him over Rush is smarter because he knows "more of the playbook" is a bogus excuse for the homers because in reality, Moore can't utilize a lot of the playbook because he can't make certain throws.

Why is somebody a 'homer' just because they're not mad about keeping a veteran QB? This notion that there's a quota for things you have to be frustrated with in order to be objective is bizarre.

For example, I'm frustrated that we haven't seriously address the backup QB position since Orton left. I was fairly vocal about it last offseason, especially, when we talked a big game about how important an upgrade that was going to be for us and then did almost nothing at all about it. Spending a bottom-4th rounder on a guy who'd never taken snaps under center was not a plan for bringing in a legitimate backup.

This year, although we now have a younger player who's somewhat more likely to stay healthy, it's *less* of an issue, but it's still been a glaring need. We did nothing about it during VFA, which was the time when this sort of thing ought to have been *****ed about in detail. Nothing we've seen in preseason was revelatory in any way. We knew what we had in Moore, and he went out and showed us again.

That said, having found Rush, it's no great leap to see why they want to have a veteran QB backup on the roster right now. And the cost is minor: a bottom of the roster spot. I just don't see what the big deal is for everybody. We're going to lose out on a Richard Ash or a Deji Olatoye or whatever. Big deal. We'll keep Moore active on game day instead of Rush. A complete non-issue unless he needs to play, in which case it's possibly only a deal for the remainder of one game. Also not the end of the world.

What's there to be all that upset about? The coaches, who've done a good job with Dak and Rush so far, want Moore around as well, at a relatively low cost. Ok. Let them have him.
 

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I never said teams lined up for him. YOU said no one would bid on him because he sucks, which is the non-reality part of this thread that you can't back up. You have absolutely no clue what Moore's agent did or did not do or what phone calls he fielded (or not).

Come on.

If a team wanted Moore, they would have signed him. It's just that simple. In a league where teams are struggling to find competent back ups QBs, are you really arguing that teams may have liked Moore but didn't sign him because of something the agent said or whatever other weird excuse you came up with?

Here's the reality. Teams didn't sign Moore because in reality, Moore isn't that well thought of around the league. Don't overthink it. The Cowboys knew it too........... it's why they exposed Moore and not Rush.
 

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I never said teams lined up for him. YOU said no one would bid on him because he sucks, which is the non-reality part of this thread that you can't back up.

I have reality on my side. 0 interest in Kellen Moore league-wide. Signed nowhere. Fact. I need nothing else other than what has actually happened.

You have absolutely no clue what Moore's agent did or did not do or what phone calls he fielded (or not).

I don't need rumor or speculation, I have the facts of what happened. 0 interest. Crawling back to Dallas after being cut for the undrafted rookie. Fact.
 

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I just want to spear Red and Lenehan in their brains like in The Walking Dead! Is this wrong?
 
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I have reality on my side. 0 interest in Kellen Moore league-wide. Signed nowhere. Fact. I need nothing else other than what has actually happened.

Bryce Butler and Jonathan Cooper signed one year contracts this offseason also. By Stash-O-logic, they suck also and no one would possibly have bid on them either. The league "spit back" those losers.
 

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Why is somebody a 'homer' just because they're not mad about keeping a veteran QB? This notion that there's a quota for things you have to be frustrated with in order to be objective is bizarre.

BECAUSE, BECAUSE..... FEELINGS!!!
 

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The fact Rush can heave it down the field gives him a heads up on Moore.

The reality is that if Prescott gets hurt, the Cowboys are in trouble. Moore ain't going to win you jack poop. That's obvious to anyone who doesn't have their head up the FO's butt. Rush probably isn't going to win you much either but he gives you a fighting chance because he can hit a deeper ball whereas when Moore plays, defenses just cover the short stuff and our offense looks inept.

Absolutely, but that's the case with every team but New England. The only chance we have without Prescott is a return from Romo. Otherwise, it's over just like it was for Oakland last year.
 

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Why is somebody a 'homer' just because they're not mad about keeping a veteran QB? This notion that there's a quota for things you have to be frustrated with in order to be objective is bizarre.

For example, I'm frustrated that we haven't seriously address the backup QB position since Orton left. I was fairly vocal about it last offseason, especially, when we talked a big game about how important an upgrade that was going to be for us and then did almost nothing at all about it. Spending a bottom-4th rounder on a guy who'd never taken snaps under center was not a plan for bringing in a legitimate backup.

This year, although we now have a younger player who's somewhat more likely to stay healthy, it's *less* of an issue, but it's still been a glaring need. We did nothing about it during VFA, which was the time when this sort of thing ought to have been *****ed about in detail. Nothing we've seen in preseason was revelatory in any way. We knew what we had in Moore, and he went out and showed us again.

That said, having found Rush, it's no great leap to see why they want to have a veteran QB backup on the roster right now. And the cost is minor: a bottom of the roster spot. I just don't see what the big deal is for everybody. We're going to lose out on a Richard Ash or a Deji Olatoye or whatever. Big deal. We'll keep Moore active on game day instead of Rush. A complete non-issue unless he needs to play, in which case it's possibly only a deal for the remainder of one game. Also not the end of the world.

What's there to be all that upset about? The coaches, who've done a good job with Dak and Rush so far, want Moore around as well, at a relatively low cost. Ok. Let them have him.

The homer part is directed at those who consistently make excuses for the front office and coaches. Doesn't matter what they do, it's the right call........... why? Because they are the coaches and FO. That's bizarre.

Moore as the #2 is a silly move. It just is. Trying to justify it that he knows more of the playbook is just excuse making for the front office. He can't properly operate under a large chunk of the playbook because he can't make NFL throws. We all know what we are going to get if Moore has to play. A crap ton of dump offs and screens and maybe some floaters down the field if he does throw the ball more than 10 yards that will make us all sweat bullets waiting for a pick.

This is simply NFL security blanket thinking 101. Teams too often rely on this concept of veteran leadership in key positions and justify playing a person of inferior talent by placing more value on this nebulous concept of veteran presence that somehow will overcome the lack of talent. The Cowboys aren't the only team to do it.

Moore should not be a part of this team. He's an inferior player. But unfortunately, Linehan and Garrett are sipping from the veteran presence chalice.
 
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