Kellen Moore listed as No. 2 quarterback

[Sydla]

Bryce Butler and Jonathan Cooper signed one year contracts this offseason also. By Stash-O-logic, they suck also and no one would possibly have bid on them either. The league "spit back" those losers.

This is one silly analogy. For starters, Butler signed before free agency started. He agreed to a deal on March 8th, the league year and free agency started, I believe, on March 9th.

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

Why is somebody a 'homer' just because they're not mad about keeping a veteran QB? This notion that there's a quota for things you have to be frustrated with in order to be objective is bizarre.

For example, I'm frustrated that we haven't seriously address the backup QB position since Orton left. I was fairly vocal about it last offseason, especially, when we talked a big game about how important an upgrade that was going to be for us and then did almost nothing at all about it. Spending a bottom-4th rounder on a guy who'd never taken snaps under center was not a plan for bringing in a legitimate backup.

This year, although we now have a younger player who's somewhat more likely to stay healthy, it's *less* of an issue, but it's still been a glaring need. We did nothing about it during VFA, which was the time when this sort of thing ought to have been *****ed about in detail. Nothing we've seen in preseason was revelatory in any way. We knew what we had in Moore, and he went out and showed us again.

That said, having found Rush, it's no great leap to see why they want to have a veteran QB backup on the roster right now. And the cost is minor: a bottom of the roster spot. I just don't see what the big deal is for everybody. We're going to lose out on a Richard Ash or a Deji Olatoye or whatever. Big deal. We'll keep Moore active on game day instead of Rush. A complete non-issue unless he needs to play, in which case it's possibly only a deal for the remainder of one game. Also not the end of the world.

What's there to be all that upset about? The coaches, who've done a good job with Dak and Rush so far, want Moore around as well, at a relatively low cost. Ok. Let them have him.

Kellen Moore is emblematic of them not taking care of backup QB.

I agree with your overall sentiment and think that if this is the biggest problem the team has then they are in good shape but Moore is a player begging to be upgraded.

 

[Idgit]

The homer part is directed at those who consistently make excuses for the front office and coaches. Doesn't matter what they do, it's the right call........... why? Because they are the coaches and FO. That's bizarre.

Moore as the #2 is a silly move. It just is. Trying to justify it that he knows more of the playbook is just excuse making for the front office. He can't properly operate under a large chunk of the playbook because he can't make NFL throws. We all know what we are going to get if Moore has to play. A crap ton of dump offs and screens and maybe some floaters down the field if he does throw the ball more than 10 yards that will make us all sweat bullets waiting for a pick.

This is simply NFL security blanket thinking 101. Teams too often rely on this concept of veteran leadership in key positions and justify playing a person of inferior talent by placing more value on this nebulous concept of veteran presence that somehow will overcome the lack of talent. The Cowboys aren't the only team to do it.

Moore should not be a part of this team. He's an inferior player. But unfortunately, Linehan and Garrett are sipping from the veteran presence chalice.

I don't know of anybody, I don't think, who does nothing but make excuses for the front office and coaches. Everybody's got a different tolerance for things and a different take on things, for sure. But we all have things we'd like to see done differently.

As for the argument for having a veteran backup, we disagree on that completely, but I won't do a better job of stating my position on that than I've done already, so we can just agree to disagree there.

 

[Sydla]

Absolutely, but that's the case with every team but New England. The only chance we have without Prescott is a return from Romo. Otherwise, it's over just like it was for Oakland last year.

Exactly.

So why handcuff yourself to a low talent, low skill QB who gives you no shot of winning instead of just letting the more talented kid play? You are shooting your own logic in the foot.

I think the Cowboys actually believe if Prescott gets hurt, Moore can help them get a win or two. It's bizarre thinking but it's not exactly uncharted water in the NFL where teams overestimate people based on the fact they seem to have a soft spot for a particular player.

 

[Sydla]

It's just that label gets thrown around a lot as code for 'I don't want to take the time to convince people of my argument on its merits.'

No its a term for people who plug their ears when criticism of the FO and coaches pops up because they can't bring themselves to admit that yeah, that move doesn't make a whole lot of sense.

 

[Kaiser]

I agree with your overall sentiment and think that if this is the biggest problem the team has then they are in good shape but Moore is a player begging to be upgraded.

But haven't they already done that? IMO Moore is cut at midseason when they bring a guy back from IR Return. But I completely get why the team wants him as a safety valve until then.

 

[Sydla]

I don't know of anybody, I don't think, who does nothing but make excuses for the front office and coaches. Everybody's got a different tolerance for things and a different take on things, for sure. But we all have things we'd like to see done differently.

As for the argument for having a veteran backup, we disagree on that completely, but I won't do a better job of stating my position on that than I've done already, so we can just agree to disagree there.

There is really little argument for a veteran back up, when that back up clearly lacks NFL talent.

I mean Matt Cassell is a vet. We should probably think about bringing him back. Why? Vet presence and all that stuff.

 

[Sydla]

But haven't they already done that? IMO Moore is cut at midseason when they bring a guy back from IR Return. But I completely get why the team wants him as a safety valve until then.

I don't get this. So he's so expendable for a guy coming off suspension or IR................... but he's gotta be the #2 QB over Rush?

Wut?

 

[Doomsdayblitz]

Not surprised. No way they are going to have Cooper Rush as the #2 for the 1st game of the season and it being his first NFL regular season game.

Why not have Rush as the #2? What has Moore done to prove he can do any better coming in? Rush had the best QB rating of any rookie QB in the preseason. Besides, he has four years of college experience, & showed in the last 3 games he is fearless, can make all the throws, & is much better at moving the team down the field by actually leading his receivers, instead of the lame tosses Moore makes. Bad move-period.

 

[The Fonz]

 

[CWR]

I formally apologize to anyone who condemned the organization for thier unwarranted love of Kellen Moore. I was wrong and yall were right. It wont be the last time lol. Unfreakingbelievable.

 

[DBOY3141]

Why not have Rush as the #2? What has Moore done to prove he can do any better coming in? Rush had the best QB rating of any rookie QB in the preseason. Besides, he has four years of college experience, & showed in the last 3 games he is fearless, can make all the throws, & is much better at moving the team down the field by actually leading his receivers, instead of the lame tosses Moore makes. Bad move-period.

Not agreeing with the decision. My point was I'm not surprised they made the decision. To me, they are very risk adverse and are hesistant to take chances. JG and company love their veterans. Moore has been through an actual prep week for a real game, so he has that experience. These types of things is why I"m not surprised.

 

[Reverend Conehead]

And who has Moore competed against?He's already proven he doesn't belong in the NFL. Does anyone actually think if he comes in we're going to win anything?

We may win a high draft pick.

 

[Roadtrip635]

I am just saying - you guys said he could not throw the ball down the field!

 

[Roadtrip635]

I think we know why here.

They want to use the whole playbook incase..

Rush cant do that.

Kellen can't do that either.
Just because he knows the whole playbook doesn't mean he's able to execute the whole playbook.

 

[cowboy_ron]

If something happened and had to come out of the game for a series or two, we'll know for sure who the #2 really is.......I just can't see Moore being the first option in that event based on preseason results.

 

[cowboy_ron]

It looks like he could use a GPS device on the ball.

 

[Bullflop]

They just re-upped the Linehan for three years. The ink you way they "lose him" would be if he's offered another head coaching job. And Moore or not, he'd leave anyway. Otherwise, he's here at the team's discretion, not his.

Makes sense to me other than the fact that the team is choosing to go with a QB who is so obviously inferior to Cooper Rush. Like they say, you can't rationalize insanity. My mistake. Maybe that explains my groping so desperately for an answer to the FO's insane decision. It's nuts. My opinion of this team's judgment has now arrived at an all time low, just when I began to think there might be some hope for them after all.

 

[erod]

Exactly.

So why handcuff yourself to a low talent, low skill QB who gives you no shot of winning instead of just letting the more talented kid play? You are shooting your own logic in the foot.

I think the Cowboys actually believe if Prescott gets hurt, Moore can help them get a win or two. It's bizarre thinking but it's not exactly uncharted water in the NFL where teams overestimate people based on the fact they seem to have a soft spot for a particular player.

Because there aren't any.

 

[VirusX]

He has the mind for the game just not the tools. If you play with 50% of the field inaccessible defenses will exploit it and you're left with checkdown ball. Which will do nothing but bide time until an interception or get your receivers killed. This kid should NOT be on an NFL roster.