Kellen Moore wanted out of Dallas

[Diehardblues]

And there it is Cowboy fans . The Dak Hacks are all about being “ right”. As long as the Cowboys have disappointing endings then they can be right.

 

[Ken]

Say what? Are you implying he wasn’t an actual QB prior to this season?

I felt and saw that he relied on his talent and weapons more than actual qb play. When he lost hill, I expected a rougher season.

Given that Dak had beat him the previous two seasons in the bet we almost made, this was a sound bet.

 

[G2]

Maybe it was just simply mutual and time for a change?

I mean, there are fans here that have gotten really worked up in Moore's defense, just to pile on a person that is actual still on the team.
It was a good regular season offense, time to let it go instead of propping Moore up as the next Landry.

 

[Diehardblues]

Does it matter if Moore was fired or a mutual parting of ways? The fact is many wanted Moore gone saying he was at fault for Dallas' offensive woes but let's look at the before and during Moore as OC years in relationship to Dak's stats:


2016-2018 (before Moore as OC)

(48 games) 975 of 1,475 66.1% Comp % 10,876 yards 7.37 ypa 67 td's 4.5% td % 25 int's 1.7% int % 96.1 qb rating


2019-2022 (during Moore as OC)

(49 games) 1,210 of 1,808 66.9% comp % 14,067 yards 7.78 ypa 99 td's 5.5% td % 40 int's 2.2% int % 98.7 qb rating


Say what you will but the fact is with Moore as OC Dak put up much better statistics and you could argue it was Moore that made Dak improve......time will tell this coming season what impact Moore had on Dak but the fact remains Moore is now with the Chargers so at the end of 2023 we will see where Dak is without Moore and where Herbert is with Moore.

I’d have to agree with this . Moore appears to be another scapegoat for Prescott when in actuality Prescott has excelled under his guidance .

The bigger problem is too many see what has transpired here as a total failure when IMO it’s been quite a success with an average to slightly above passer which this offense has optimized his abilities.

This offense has turned or at least attempted to turn a Bus Driver into a more prolific passer with in some cases a top offense.

The bigger issue in Dallas is because of our ownerships agenda which has over hyped and paid Dak insisting using Dak in a greater method that what best serves his ability and the team in order to prove the owner was right.

 

[acr731]

And there it is Cowboy fans . The Dak Hacks are all about being “ right”. As long as the Cowboys have disappointing endings then they can be right.

Dak hacks? Are you referring to his stubborn defenders or the rest who are critical? I can't speak for others, but I don't give a damn about being right, I just want to see the team get their crap together. I'm tired of seeing the same franchises (Philly, SF, KC, etc) playing for championships over and over because their ownership puts more of an emphasis on winning over their Forbes listing. I'm tired of seeing other franchises keep making the necessary moves to improve while Jerry and spawn cruise the oceans on the yacht with their thumbs up the butts.

Letting Moore go to LA isn't going to help or hurt the team when the core issues remain the same.

 

[Diehardblues]

Maybe McCarthy can convince Jethro and Son to use Prescotts ability more as a Bus Driver which best suits his skills.

Get back to being a run first offense attempting to dominate on the ground which opens up our passing game ensuring a more effective and efficient passing game under Prescott.

But if our ownership is intent on proving Prescott is deserving or worthy of an Elite contract by optimizing our offense into a prolific passing attack then it may end more disappointing . And probably cost another coach his job

 

[Momanpr100]

Who cares if he wanted out, he signed up for this job well before McCarthy was even a thought. But this notion you tryna create that that's the reason he's no longer a cowboy is false, he still had 1 more year on contract, he wasn't about to quit. So Cowboys let him walk, hence it being mutual.

 

[Diehardblues]

Personally I think this is a good move for Moore. Being connected to Prescott might have actually been holding him back.

I suspect he’s been a big part of developing an offense which has helped or at least attempted to help turn a less than Elite passer into a more prolific passer. And a top offense.

In LA with a more prolific proto-type passer bordering on allegedly becoming Elite , Moore will have the opportunity to bring his skills more to the surface. Or not.

If it was more about Moore here in Dallas it will rise to top in LA or plunk like a turd . I suspect he’ll be more on a fast track in LA to his next HC job .We shall see.

But what a great franchise and venue to land with one of the great potential up and coming QB’s in the league . Not much better place to land.

 

[Diehardblues]

Dak hacks? Are you referring to his stubborn defenders or the rest who are critical? I can't speak for others, but I don't give a damn about being right, I just want to see the team get their crap together. I'm tired of seeing the same franchises (Philly, SF, KC, etc) playing for championships over and over because their ownership puts more of an emphasis on winning over their Forbes listing. I'm tired of seeing other franchises keep making the necessary moves to improve while Jerry and spawn cruise the oceans on the yacht with their thumbs up the butts.

Letting Moore go to LA isn't going to help or hurt the team when the core issues remain the same.

I’ve been using this term for awhile and don’t think you’d fall into the category. But I started using it when using trolls was frowned upon.

 

[USArmyVet]

Maybe McCarthy can convince Jethro and Son to use Prescotts ability more as a Bus Driver which best suits his skills.

Get back to being a run first offense attempting to dominate on the ground which opens up our passing game ensuring a more effective and efficient passing game under Prescott.

But if our ownership is intent on proving Prescott is deserving or worthy of an Elite contract by optimizing our offense into a prolific passing attack then it may end more disappointing . And probably cost another coach his job

A question I have with this is that Zeke apparently made it known that he would be willing to renegotiate his contract to stay in Dallas based on his diminishing performance......so after last season would Dak be willing to do the same thing wherein he renegotiates his deal and takes below market value to help the team ala Tom Brady?

While I doubt he would be willing to do that based on past contract negotiations it would be an interesting option for Jerry & Co. to take: either renegotiate a longer contract at a lower rate or do not renegotiate his contract and make it all or nothing in 2023 for Dak (and McCarthy).

 

[G2]

I’d have to agree with this . Moore appears to be another scapegoat for Prescott when in actuality Prescott has excelled under his guidance .

The bigger problem is too many see what has transpired here as a total failure when IMO it’s been quite a success with an average to slightly above passer which this offense has optimized his abilities.

This offense has turned or at least attempted to turn a Bus Driver into a more prolific passer with in some cases a top offense.

The bigger issue in Dallas is because of our ownerships agenda which has over hyped and paid Dak insisting using Dak in a greater method that what best serves his ability and the team in order to prove the owner was right.

Moore should have been fired on the spot with that last play call vs. the 49ers.
That's what a lot keep saying, that it was a success, but it wasn't in the postseason for years.
This obsession fans have with ex-players & coaches is weird.
Moore was the OC, it's on him.

 

[Diehardblues]

The bigger issue or story line that’s often missed with the Cowboys and Prescott is that if you can get beyond the Super Bowl or bust hype there has actually been some moderate success .

Leading a top 10 caliber offense without those Elite or prolific passing skills is quite an achievement. And finishing with 3rd best record in conference shouldn’t be considered a failure.

It’s just not as much success as we’d prefer .

Unfortunately in NFL there is only a handful of truly Elite QB’s. And if used and built around efficiently Dak could be enough for more success. He’s just not the Elite passer that this ownership and many fans have followed suit in claiming.

This offense under Moore has propped him up with stats that have attempted to present him as a more prolific or elite passer. And perhaps too many fans have followed suit.

The good news is if our ownership and coaching staff can accept that Dak is enough to build around with his skill level and not try to sell him as Elite.

Focus on pounding the rock. Add more talent on offense. Continue building the defense. 49 ers are a good model.

 

[Diehardblues]

Moore should have been fired on the spot with that last play call vs. the 49ers.
That's what a lot keep saying, that it was a success, but it wasn't in the postseason for years.
This obsession fans have with ex-players & coaches is weird.
Moore was the OC, it's on him.

Yea. But as we know that’s a typical reaction by many fans. Someone’s head needs to roll.

The fact we haven’t had more success in playoffs shouldn’t diminish the success we’ve had in regular season.

There’s just better teams in the playoffs and for the most part we weren’t good enough or made enough plays to advance.

 

[Diehardblues]

A question I have with this is that Zeke apparently made it known that he would be willing to renegotiate his contract to stay in Dallas based on his diminishing performance......so after last season would Dak be willing to do the same thing wherein he renegotiates his deal and takes below market value to help the team ala Tom Brady?

While I doubt he would be willing to do that based on past contract negotiations it would be an interesting option for Jerry & Co. to take: either renegotiate a longer contract at a lower rate or do not renegotiate his contract and make it all or nothing in 2023 for Dak (and McCarthy).

Brady is the lone example. Most QB’s are not willing to accept less for the team. I will hold our ownership more responsible for over paying Dak.

They had an opportunity to get a deal done earlier but they played the public perception card wanting to wait for the team to have more success before resigning him which ultimately cost them more.

If you recall initially when Wilson was highest paid QB at 35 million, Dak was willing to accept a number close to that. But we weren’t. And it end up costing us much more.

As far as Elliott , his Cap hit is 10.9 million and we will release him. Prob after July 1st.

Most likely we will resign Dak extending his contract to lessen the Cap hits coming up in his final 2 years of contract.

 

[Diehardblues]

The bigger problem I see with some fans is there shouldn’t be this Super Bowl or bust mantra that defines the success of our QB.

That’s an unreasonable and ridiculous bar.

 

[NumOneQB]

Brady is the lone example. Most QB’s are not willing to accept less for the team. I will hold our ownership more responsible for over paying Dak.

They had an opportunity to get a deal done earlier but they played the public perception card wanting to wait for the team to have more success before resigning him which ultimately cost them more.

If you recall initially when Wilson was highest paid QB at 35 million, Dak was willing to accept a number close to that. But we weren’t. And it end up costing us much more.

As far as Elliott , his Cap hit is 10.9 million and we will release him. Prob after July 1st.

Most likely we will resign Dak extending his contract to lessen the Cap hits coming up in his final 2 years of contract.

So they will extend him and then release him after 2 years? Where does the money go that’s remaining in his contract?

 

[TheMarathonContinues]

My "schtick" as you call it told you exactly how this season would end for the Cowboys. That is in embarrassing fashion led by Dak Prescott.

I also said 2 weeks ago that if Moore was smart he would take a lateral move to get away from Dak. He did just that.

You call it a "schtick". I just call it common sense and seeing things for what they are.

You said we wouldn’t make the playoffs…mention that to.

 

[NumOneQB]

You said we wouldn’t make the playoffs…mention that to.

They also predicted an embarrassing loss to Brady and the Bucs. When you hate one player on a personal level, you keep moving the goal posts. There is no constructive criticism, just hate. But this is a “told you so” moment for them. Be prepared to hear it all offseason….

 

[BEARCATSKLZ]

You lost the bet, Ken.

You just try and get out of it by whining "injury!".

Mahomes is in the Super Bowl and will be the MVP this year while Dak led the NFL in INTS despite missing 5 games.

I'll offer you again and maybe you won't ignore it this time.

2023 season. You get Dak. I get Mahomes. Loser leaves town. Deal?

Why are you even here? lol... You do know KC has a Scout forum... why be on a site of the team and QB you seem to hate? Every post from you sound like a never ending whine... is so unoriginal. GO Be Happy... you may even make a friend or two...

 

[G2]

Yea. But as we know that’s a typical reaction by many fans. Someone’s head needs to roll.

The fact we haven’t had more success in playoffs shouldn’t diminish the success we’ve had in regular season.

There’s just better teams in the playoffs and for the most part we weren’t good enough or made enough plays to advance.

He was given enough time to get past the divisional round. And he didn't do a very good job with the opportunities. That's the entire point, to move forward.
You can diminish the regular season when that's all we've seen for 30 years.
Didn't we learn our lesson holding onto Garrett for a decade?

Sure, someone's head has to roll or some scapegoat theory etc....

Bottom line is that his system failed and they want to get better and I commend that move.