Kellen Moore - why did he not become our head coach?

[blueblood70]

I am not big on Schotty but damn, not like I wanted Moore either.

I understand when you're objecting but at this point now that we have the entire coaching staff in place it makes it easier to accept schottenheimer is doing a good job already before he's had a chance to coach he assembled most of this I can assume he is the head coach and the coaching staff looks solid.. That's a positive sign in my book..

 

[iceberg]

I have a theory and it is this. The Jones family wanted Moore as their head coach. He was their first choice. At the interview stage Moore indicated he wanted to bring in his own DEF Co-ordinator Brandon Staley. Staley is from the Fangio tree and was responsible for the successful aggressive Rams DEF of 2020 which he turned into a head coaching job with the Chargers. This was not what they Jones' wanted to hear as they were fixated on Eberflus and his passive bend not break DEF. It was a deal breaker for both parties. I expect Moore to become the Saints head coach and bring Staley on board to revamp their DEF.

traditionally it's been considered difficult to rehire someone you ran out of town due to mass suckage.

 

[CanadianCowboysFan]

I understand when you're objecting but at this point now that we have the entire coaching staff in place it makes it easier to accept schottenheimer is doing a good job already before he's had a chance to coach he assembled most of this I can assume he is the head coach and the coaching staff looks solid.. That's a positive sign in my book..

I definitely want Schott to succeed

 

[CowboysFaninHouston]

I have a theory and it is this. The Jones family wanted Moore as their head coach. He was their first choice. At the interview stage Moore indicated he wanted to bring in his own DEF Co-ordinator Brandon Staley. Staley is from the Fangio tree and was responsible for the successful aggressive Rams DEF of 2020 which he turned into a head coaching job with the Chargers. This was not what they Jones' wanted to hear as they were fixated on Eberflus and his passive bend not break DEF. It was a deal breaker for both parties. I expect Moore to become the Saints head coach and bring Staley on board to revamp their DEF.

he was going to cost more than Shotty. and Jerry already had his hand up shotty's rear end making him do stuff, so it was also comfortable and familiar.
its 4 years of shotty now, given we know that Jerry won't move on from coaches, unless its a 0-7 disaster like wade.

 

[Chuck 54]

I have a theory and it is this. The Jones family wanted Moore as their head coach. He was their first choice. At the interview stage Moore indicated he wanted to bring in his own DEF Co-ordinator Brandon Staley. Staley is from the Fangio tree and was responsible for the successful aggressive Rams DEF of 2020 which he turned into a head coaching job with the Chargers. This was not what they Jones' wanted to hear as they were fixated on Eberflus and his passive bend not break DEF. It was a deal breaker for both parties. I expect Moore to become the Saints head coach and bring Staley on board to revamp their DEF.

I have a theory. You will know why when he is no longer the head coach in 3 years.

 

[Majic]

Lol,
Hmmm…. Wasn’t there a well written and concise article not 2 days after hiring Schottenheimer explaining exactly why they went with him being they didn’t want to wait till after the SB to start the offseason process and coaching interviews.
And could you imagine the shrill screaming and vigorous stomping of wittle feet if they had as people were already spazzing about all the good coaches being gone not 2 days after the window to begin interviewing opened on the 20th!

But yeah, if bringing in Staley was discussed that would be a huge red flag to move on. Trying to do a complete rebuild not 2 seasons after being a top 10 defense is a waste conceding to throw away those 2 seasons especially when you’re best defensive player has excelled in the current scheme!

I couldn't disagree with your post more! Of course the DEF needs a rebuild!

 

[Proof]

That is a very specific amount of time ....... and they are moving on from Carr ....... which means he will get to pick his QB.

Unlike in Dallas where he was scapegoated for Mr. deer in headlights

was he scapegoated with everyones darling Herbert as well?

 

[CowboyFrog]

Seems like to me BS is pitching power football and this FO liked it...will it work? who knows but its pretty obvious the Jones could've waited on KM and decided to go ahead and move forward with BS vision of power football..now will they give him what he needs to actually put his vision on the field? Thats whats been the problem for the last 30 years..

 

[zrinkill]

was he scapegoated with everyones darling Herbert as well?

Again ...... that is not the 2 teams we were discussing.

Try to keep up.

 

[jterrell]

No need for speculation

he used the word reports. but true, no need to speculate or report. Dak has stated it publicly.

 

[jterrell]

DITTO blah blah blah,, and Moore went from stud to dud, went from no way to Jerry is so ignorant for even thinking about a guy like this what nepotism bringing back boy wonder Jason Garrett 2.0,

now we have Kellen more fan in here that's not reading the tea leaves literally the motion the eye candy has you literally smelling fumes and now you think that he's a better option I'm not a Schottenheimer fan but I'm for sure not a moore fan either, they were dead even in my mind but now that BrianS had three more weeks to get together a coaching staff that we actually are impressed by then we have to lean towards that's the better option than the last one in now that has to get the scraps...

The hypocrisy all of a sudden Mr. Moore is wanted by everyone and that's not true he got an interview over the phone with Dallas and that was about it nobody else waited on him either I mean why would somebody hire Cohen you think Liam Cohen is experienced one year with didn't do much but oh made Baker a better player or was it just Mike Evans and some of those receivers over there that made him better who knows but you're also living in recency bias because you think Kellen Moore being with the eagles loaded staff all of a sudden he was actually somehow impacted that or anybody could actually did that anybody could have took that group and won the the games they won because they were over talented all in roster from top to bottom but I can tell you this that defense more than complimented that offense help them get the lead and keep it and all Kelly Moore had to do was call plays for a very talented roster what's he going to do when he doesn't have that roster same with Ben Johnson Liam Cohen they're all first timers and you still don't get that you think they have a better chance because they have a name you think Aaron Glenn had never been there before as a head coach somehow because he just called plays for a better team or was it the better team that made him look good which is it is it the chicken or the egg or the egg of the chicken?

You don't know but somehow you're a big fan of Mr. Moore all of a sudden he went from Scott to dot nobody wanted him here but now that he had a super talented staff you think he's now ready to be the next mcvey ..

that's what you're saying??

because I don't see the difference between the two, other than age,

but I see one that has 25 years experience in the NFL that had a father named Marty , that did very well in the NFL and that got glowing reviews from his references and the people Jerry interviewed about him and our players give him their support and yet somehow you believe that we're just getting Schottenheimer too many flowers or maybe it's your giving Kelly more too many flowers..3

I'll make it easy how about this Brian Schottenheimer and Kelly Moore not a big difference they both are gonna have to prove themselves just like the other first time head coaches however Brian schottenheimer and is already assembled staff versus Moore who just got the job today... Brian Schottenheimer alone didn't seem like a great hire at the time but neither did Kelly Moore they were both on the bottom of everyone's list but now you take what we have now with data and Schottenheimer obviously spent some time thinking about how to put together a staff that can complement each other and right now he wins because of his staff.. So now the sum of all the parts make this easier to say that right now I would take BS over Kellen Moore it's not a big loss you guys are acting like it's a big loss that we didn't get Kelly Moore with Jerry absolutely chose to not go that direction..

how bad must have feel that moore got rejected by jerry. lmao... That's an ego shot right there that's going to be hard to get over..

BS wins.. KM =INCOMPLETE

not gonna man, TLDR.
I will just sum this up thusly:
On this board a month ago:
Ben Johnson was considered the A+, home run hire.
Kellen Moore was considered the C, likely hire.
Brian Schottenheimer was not even being discussed AT ALL.

 

[Gameover]

I have a theory and it is this. The Jones family wanted Moore as their head coach. He was their first choice. At the interview stage Moore indicated he wanted to bring in his own DEF Co-ordinator Brandon Staley. Staley is from the Fangio tree and was responsible for the successful aggressive Rams DEF of 2020 which he turned into a head coaching job with the Chargers. This was not what they Jones' wanted to hear as they were fixated on Eberflus and his passive bend not break DEF. It was a deal breaker for both parties. I expect Moore to become the Saints head coach and bring Staley on board to revamp their DEF.

Maybe that tells you how much Jones likes Shotty

Bend don't beak is good for our defensive group, because are defensive group are not very bright. Been that way since D. Ware. Phillips wanted to do exotic things but never could because are guys were unable to grasp it so he would have to go back to basics. Bend don't break works good for us.

 

[lostar2009]

No there's no good theories here there's only one actual fact and that is Brian schottenheimer's interview went so well he got a second interview and he changed Jerry's mind it's as simple as that Jerry chose Brian schottenheimer over Kelly Moore because of what was said in the interviews there was no other reason and by the way how is Kelly Moore all of a sudden the new boy genius everybody wants that nobody wanted that's hilarious he got the last job open and now he's way behind at assembling a coaching staff this feels like constellation price here to get the job with the Saints he was rejected by Jerry Jones and people around here can't understand it yes Jerry did want more but he changed his mind because schottenheimer had a great interview. And he also put together a great staff and everyone here is forgetting that that's the most important part he literally has surprised everyone with this coaching staff and now we're sitting here talking about more for no good reason other than you think he's good because he's on a Super Bowl team with an all in loaded roster and a great staff and somehow now it was because of him that the eagles won LMASO..

But this is what really happened ,​

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Brian Schottenheimer was being interviewed with no intentions of getting the job, maybe the OC was an option, they just wanted to hear what he had to say because he did have some locker room fans, the players liked him...​

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they already talked to Kellen Moore via zoom, on the phone, and he was a leading candidate for a formal in person Interview during the gap between the NFCCG and the SB, ​

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but Brian Schottenheimer said something in interview one that got him interview 2 the next day, the thing went 11 hours it turned Jerry around, BS said the right things and he made Jerry change his mind..SIMPLE huh, it wasn't because availability because BS comes highly reviewed by his ex-bosses, his ex-coaches, his ex-peers, and the players in the locker room.. ​

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they all like him it made jerry change his mind.​

Moore lost his job to Schottenheimer not because he wasn't available, and he was playing deep into the playoffs, he lost it because schottenheimer said the right things and got the right feedback that Jerry wanted, schottenheimer ended up winning the job, he didn't get it by default.

And I think we're missing the most important part is the staff he assembled way better than expected some of it might even be impressive so why are we going back on this nonsense for a guy nobody ever really wanted around here in the first place...

Defending this guy pretty hard no?

 

[Gameover]

I definitely want Schott to succeed

He will

 

[plasticman]

He said, "NO!"

 

[cowboyfan4life2]

Shottenheimer was in such high demand we couldn't afford to wait and let him get away.

 

[quickccc]

Methinks shotty sold himself as a leader of men, more self assertive and the laid out game plan of philosophy, scheme and coach staff

- Like kellen Moore, shotty was a insider who the Jones management already knew upfront and personally. So that helped launched their confidence .

- I could understand Moore wanting a Brandon Staley as both served on the same chargers team. Particularly Moore serving as head coach Staley's OC .
What a very ironic turnaround of roles with those two.

- Was another irony of the Jones management personally already knowing , trusting and coveting ebeflus much more than what they did of Staley..??

 

[noshame]

He didn't wanna be stuck with Dak Prescott.

 

[Majic]

Methinks shotty sold himself as a leader of men, more self assertive and the laid out game plan of philosophy, scheme and coach staff

- Like kellen Moore, shotty was a insider who the Jones management already knew upfront and personally. So that helped launched their confidence .

- I could understand Moore wanting a Brandon Staley as both served on the same chargers team. Particularly Moore serving as head coach Staley's OC .
What a very ironic turnaround of roles with those two.

- Was another irony of the Jones management personally already knowing , trusting and coveting ebeflus much more than what they did of Staley..??

So who would you have preferred Schotty/Eberflus or Moore/Staley?

 

[blueblood70]

not gonna man, TLDR.
I will just sum this up thusly:
On this board a month ago:
Ben Johnson was considered the A+, home run hire.
Kellen Moore was considered the C, likely hire.
Brian Schottenheimer was not even being discussed AT ALL.

I don't care how they were ranked I bet people around here thought it was a really good move to hire Urban Meyer Nick Saban Bobby petrino Chip Kelly they were all considered a plus hires and they all failed hard and failed fast not one of them did any good in the NFL...

Who cares that some spare part in the media rank those guys it does not matter what their rank it only matters what they do just because someone's made popular doesn't make it a successful hire until they prove otherwise and until you understand that I'm sorry maybe schottenheimer just never got the chance and he's a diamond in the rough we won't know that but Kelly Moore was Dallas cowboy property nobody wanted they got rid of them the San Diego chargers or LA chargers also got rid of him so he ends up landing on a team fully loaded all in and out somehow he became a better choice than schottenheimer just because somebody put a label on them with no proof?

That's almost as bad as all the preseason rankings for college football or college teams a lot of predictions with nothing to back it up hollow and some of it we saw really bad even some of the playoff matchups weren't very good and they were being hyped up..

I don't care if you don't read it I think you're missing the point just because somebody wasn't ranked high doesn't make them a worse hire doesn't make us wish we had got Kellen more like we're gonna rue the day no the way he put together the staff says otherwise now as this looks like a better hire because he will have to support of his staff to get successful and hopefully Jerry gives him the support of a better roster I mean that's all we have to hope and I don't care if you brought over Bill Belichick in his prime but with no Tom Brady and no defense what is it gonna look like the same goes for Kelly Moore and Ben Johnson where's all this roster are you transplanting that roster and that staff just over to New Orleans because it doesn't matter what they did there it only matters what they do where they go and right now it does not look better on paper for more it actually looks better here when healthy our roster looks better at the moment...