Kellen Moore - why did he not become our head coach?

[CanadianCowboysFan]

Smh.

How about you think about his reasons by your own. You know, use your own brain. Put in your own work.

Come back on monday and explain to all of us what you found out.

rhetorical question... New Orleans is in worse shape than we are

 

[DuncanIso]

I doubt Moore dictated his terms, he just wanted the job. The concerns about his ability to lead were legitimate.

I'm sure at some point we'll get more to the story.

He was a QB. And OC.

Now HC. Plus Ring.

That’s leadership.

We got the Seahawks old OC.

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

Jerry liked the way Schottenheimer talked to him and his father. If you think it is a crappy basis for a hire I agree with you.

 

[DuncanIso]

rhetorical question... New Orleans is in worse shape than we are

I see some Post June cuts in their future.

 

[Risen Star]

You do know that if you do the Jerry math here this means Kellen Moore will become the next great Head Coach right?

 

[DuncanIso]

as we're throwing out theories, mine is that in the interview kellen wasn't overly grateful and pitching for the job and it probably turned them off as Jerry expected him to come home and really ingratiate himself

Could be. Kellen likely has more power in NO than Dallas.

 

[DuncanIso]

You do know that if you do the Jerry math here this means Kellen Moore will become the next great Head Coach right?

I had hope that Dallas would hire KMoore.

It was the logical decision.

 

[DuncanIso]

No there's no good theories here there's only one actual fact and that is Brian schottenheimer's interview went so well he got a second interview and he changed Jerry's mind it's as simple as that Jerry chose Brian schottenheimer over Kelly Moore because of what was said in the interviews there was no other reason and by the way how is Kelly Moore all of a sudden the new boy genius everybody wants that nobody wanted that's hilarious he got the last job open and now he's way behind at assembling a coaching staff this feels like constellation price here to get the job with the Saints he was rejected by Jerry Jones and people around here can't understand it yes Jerry did want more but he changed his mind because schottenheimer had a great interview. And he also put together a great staff and everyone here is forgetting that that's the most important part he literally has surprised everyone with this coaching staff and now we're sitting here talking about more for no good reason other than you think he's good because he's on a Super Bowl team with an all in loaded roster and a great staff and somehow now it was because of him that the eagles won LMASO..

But this is what really happened ,​

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Brian Schottenheimer was being interviewed with no intentions of getting the job, maybe the OC was an option, they just wanted to hear what he had to say because he did have some locker room fans, the players liked him...​

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they already talked to Kellen Moore via zoom, on the phone, and he was a leading candidate for a formal in person Interview during the gap between the NFCCG and the SB, ​

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but Brian Schottenheimer said something in interview one that got him interview 2 the next day, the thing went 11 hours it turned Jerry around, BS said the right things and he made Jerry change his mind..SIMPLE huh, it wasn't because availability because BS comes highly reviewed by his ex-bosses, his ex-coaches, his ex-peers, and the players in the locker room.. ​

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they all like him it made jerry change his mind.​

Moore lost his job to Schottenheimer not because he wasn't available, and he was playing deep into the playoffs, he lost it because schottenheimer said the right things and got the right feedback that Jerry wanted, schottenheimer ended up winning the job, he didn't get it by default.

And I think we're missing the most important part is the staff he assembled way better than expected some of it might even be impressive so why are we going back on this nonsense for a guy nobody ever really wanted around here in the first place...

Jerry hired all the coaches.

It’s the Dallas way.

 

[zrinkill]

rhetorical question... New Orleans is in worse shape than we are

Not true ........ Saints owner stays out of Football business ........ They do not have an owner/GM playing fantasy football from his billion dollar yacht interfering in day to day football business and landing helicopters in the middle of practice.

 

[CanadianCowboysFan]

Not true ........ Saints owner stays out of Football business ........ They do not have an owner/GM playing fantasy football from his billion dollar yacht interfering in day to day football business and landing helicopters in the middle of practice.

yet their results have been worse than ours over the last 5 yrs, they have Carr as QB...

 

[blueblood70]

Ok, so we have met BS biggest fan, got it.

None of what you typed changes that Brian had not been a true coordinator recently and was on zero radars getting zero other HC interviews.

As I noted, the hire may work out great. But Kellen was on other radars and did get another HC offer. He also of course won a SB as the play caller.

DITTO blah blah blah,, and Moore went from stud to dud, went from no way to Jerry is so ignorant for even thinking about a guy like this what nepotism bringing back boy wonder Jason Garrett 2.0,

now we have Kellen more fan in here that's not reading the tea leaves literally the motion the eye candy has you literally smelling fumes and now you think that he's a better option I'm not a Schottenheimer fan but I'm for sure not a moore fan either, they were dead even in my mind but now that BrianS had three more weeks to get together a coaching staff that we actually are impressed by then we have to lean towards that's the better option than the last one in now that has to get the scraps...

The hypocrisy all of a sudden Mr. Moore is wanted by everyone and that's not true he got an interview over the phone with Dallas and that was about it nobody else waited on him either I mean why would somebody hire Cohen you think Liam Cohen is experienced one year with didn't do much but oh made Baker a better player or was it just Mike Evans and some of those receivers over there that made him better who knows but you're also living in recency bias because you think Kellen Moore being with the eagles loaded staff all of a sudden he was actually somehow impacted that or anybody could actually did that anybody could have took that group and won the the games they won because they were over talented all in roster from top to bottom but I can tell you this that defense more than complimented that offense help them get the lead and keep it and all Kelly Moore had to do was call plays for a very talented roster what's he going to do when he doesn't have that roster same with Ben Johnson Liam Cohen they're all first timers and you still don't get that you think they have a better chance because they have a name you think Aaron Glenn had never been there before as a head coach somehow because he just called plays for a better team or was it the better team that made him look good which is it is it the chicken or the egg or the egg of the chicken?

You don't know but somehow you're a big fan of Mr. Moore all of a sudden he went from Scott to dot nobody wanted him here but now that he had a super talented staff you think he's now ready to be the next mcvey ..

that's what you're saying??

because I don't see the difference between the two, other than age,

but I see one that has 25 years experience in the NFL that had a father named Marty , that did very well in the NFL and that got glowing reviews from his references and the people Jerry interviewed about him and our players give him their support and yet somehow you believe that we're just getting Schottenheimer too many flowers or maybe it's your giving Kelly more too many flowers..3

I'll make it easy how about this Brian Schottenheimer and Kelly Moore not a big difference they both are gonna have to prove themselves just like the other first time head coaches however Brian schottenheimer and is already assembled staff versus Moore who just got the job today... Brian Schottenheimer alone didn't seem like a great hire at the time but neither did Kelly Moore they were both on the bottom of everyone's list but now you take what we have now with data and Schottenheimer obviously spent some time thinking about how to put together a staff that can complement each other and right now he wins because of his staff.. So now the sum of all the parts make this easier to say that right now I would take BS over Kellen Moore it's not a big loss you guys are acting like it's a big loss that we didn't get Kelly Moore with Jerry absolutely chose to not go that direction..

how bad must have feel that moore got rejected by jerry. lmao... That's an ego shot right there that's going to be hard to get over..

BS wins.. KM =INCOMPLETE

 

[blueblood70]

yet their results have been worse than ours over the last 5 yrs, they have Carr as QB...

Correct but does that really matter do we really need to have this conversation on losing out on more versus picking schottenheimer?

I do agree even Sean Payton wasn't doing very well when he left there and he had three straight losing seasons with Drew Brees as the quarterback healthy literally don't see how that's a better stop than here even though our window is very small we do have a core talent here when healthy that can compete..

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

Jerry hired all the coaches.

It’s the Dallas way.

I don't think so. Jerry likes people he knows and has heard of like Schotty himself or Eberflus. You really think Jerry knows the intricacies of college coaching staffs to assemble this assistant staff? He doesn't even watch tape of his own players on the regular.

He may check off on them but he surely is not the genesis of the candidates.

 

[zrinkill]

yet their results have been worse than ours over the last 5 yrs, they have Carr as QB...

That is a very specific amount of time ....... and they are moving on from Carr ....... which means he will get to pick his QB.

Unlike in Dallas where he was scapegoated for Mr. deer in headlights

 

[exciter]

I have a theory and it is this. The Jones family wanted Moore as their head coach. He was their first choice. At the interview stage Moore indicated he wanted to bring in his own DEF Co-ordinator Brandon Staley. Staley is from the Fangio tree and was responsible for the successful aggressive Rams DEF of 2020 which he turned into a head coaching job with the Chargers. This was not what they Jones' wanted to hear as they were fixated on Eberflus and his passive bend not break DEF. It was a deal breaker for both parties. I expect Moore to become the Saints head coach and bring Staley on board to revamp their DEF.

Lol,
Hmmm…. Wasn’t there a well written and concise article not 2 days after hiring Schottenheimer explaining exactly why they went with him being they didn’t want to wait till after the SB to start the offseason process and coaching interviews.
And could you imagine the shrill screaming and vigorous stomping of wittle feet if they had as people were already spazzing about all the good coaches being gone not 2 days after the window to begin interviewing opened on the 20th!

But yeah, if bringing in Staley was discussed that would be a huge red flag to move on. Trying to do a complete rebuild not 2 seasons after being a top 10 defense is a waste conceding to throw away those 2 seasons especially when you’re best defensive player has excelled in the current scheme!

 

[CanadianCowboysFan]

That is a very specific amount of time ....... and they are moving on from Carr ....... which means he will get to pick his QB.

Unlike in Dallas where he was scapegoated for Mr. deer in headlights

I guess I forget that the winds change here quickly. Just a few weeks ago, the thought of hiring Moore meant that we were hiring a puppet, a failure and it meant no one else wanted the job. Now it appears Moore is the 2nd coming.

 

[CanadianCowboysFan]

Lol,
Hmmm…. Wasn’t there a well written and concise article not 2 days after hiring Schottenheimer explaining exactly why they went with him being they didn’t want to wait till after the SB to start the offseason process and coaching interviews.
And could you imagine the shrill screaming and vigorous stomping of wittle feet if they had as people were already spazzing about all the good coaches being gone not 2 days after the window to begin interviewing opened on the 20th!

But yeah, if bringing in Staley was discussed that would be a huge red flag to move on. Trying to do a complete rebuild not 2 seasons after being a top 10 defense is a waste conceding to throw away those 2 seasons especially when you’re best defensive player has excelled in the current scheme!

yes I remember that too, all the good coaches were gone and we were left with puppets like Moore

 

[CanadianCowboysFan]

Correct but does that really matter do we really need to have this conversation on losing out on more versus picking schottenheimer?

I do agree even Sean Payton wasn't doing very well when he left there and he had three straight losing seasons with Drew Brees as the quarterback healthy literally don't see how that's a better stop than here even though our window is very small we do have a core talent here when healthy that can compete..

I am not big on Schotty but damn, not like I wanted Moore either.

 

[zrinkill]

Now it appears Moore is the 2nd coming.

Not at all ...... I did not want him or the guy we got ....... i just think Moore smarted up about working for Jerry because he finally got on a team that does whatever it takes to win.

We were discussing the Saints vs the Cowboys in attractive work places

 

[acr731]

Maybe Dak said no to Moore and yes to Schotty.

Yeah, let's get that one started.

It could be much simpler.... maybe Schotty was the only one who agreed to let Jerry keep being Jerry