Kellen Moore - why did he not become our head coach?

[zrinkill]

then why did he go to New Orleans

They have at least won a championship in the last 15 years

 

[TwentyOne]

I think he if he had been offered the Cowboys job he would have taken it. If not there was a very good chance he would have missed out on a HC Job in this cycle. Reports suggest he wasn't first choice in New Orleans (Kingsbury). That job has opened up for him at just the right time.

I dont think that he would have come here, but thats only opinions. But i tried to give some reasons for my point of view.

Whats more Kellen has had a lot of chances to take a HC job during his stint in DC. He never took one. Stayed here.

That shows me that he is not someone that is prone to "career" preassure. He does what he think is right for him in a specific time.

I think JJ tried to get him as a head coach. Kellen sayd sure and laughed. Showed him a big ef/ you. I guess everybody with ambitions would have done that.

What happens now in the media is pure Jerry creating a great vibe around his brand.

 

[stinkface]

He was going to make more money in NO and didn't have to deal with the Jones. Obviously given a choice those were two compelling reasons to avoid Dallas like the plague.

 

[TwentyOne]

then why did he go to New Orleans

Smh.

How about you think about his reasons by your own. You know, use your own brain. Put in your own work.

Come back on monday and explain to all of us what you found out.

 

[pansophy]

1. He’ll probably get more in NO than Schottenheimer gets in Dallas as Moore was one of the highest paid coordinators in Philly.

2. Jerry likely coveted the fact that Schottenheimer was available to start weeks ago. There is a discomfort in waiting for a guy to finish the playoffs and not know 100% of he’ll take the job or not. If Dallas chose Moore and after the SB he decided to stay in Philly, you’d be boned.

3. Recency Bias. He’s spent the last 2 year with Brian; he had a close relationship with the team Jerry alluded to in the press conference.

I do like the staff Schotty has put together -- I wonder if that was a consideration as well.

 

[KingCorcoran]

Personally I'd think that remaining with the Eagles gets him to a better situation than New Orleans.

I agree, but it’s hard to say “no” to that pay raise. Bigger concern is he would be the third Eagles’ coordinator to get a head coach position in 24 months. Every hot shot coordinator who thinks they can be a head coach in the NFL is going to covet joining the Eagles.

 

[krs1bro]

So all speculation is why he is not the coach.

Spot on here. We will never really know what went down with the JJ's or their version of the way they see it. I wish Kellen the best. Let's all get behind Shotty until proven that he can't get this team headed in a good direction in spite of the Clampets. GO BOYS!

 

[fivetwos]

Hiring Moore would have been a strange look. Think about it…..

Jerry brought in Moore to fix Garrett. That didn’t work.

Then brings in MM but wants Moore retained. That didn’t work.

Moore fired and Shoddy brought in as OC under MM. That didn’t work.

So then they turn around and bring back Moore in a promotion to fix the whole thing?

At least Shoddy has the unknown factor and that’s why some are excited over it. Personally I don’t think it matters at all unless the right players are added, and unless the FO makes very fast philosophical changes (which they’ve already said they will not do), this team needs two 1975/2005 drafts in a row to get back to where they can compete within their own division…which is where a great deal of those regular season wins came from.

 

[Majic]

Whats more Kellen has had a lot of chances to take a HC job during his stint in DC. He never took one. Stayed here.

He interviewed with multiple teams (including with Eagles) but I don't think was ever offered a HC job

 

[John813]

My assumption was that Moore in his virtual interview probably wanted to keep his options open till after the Eagles run.

Dallas, wanting to get their new HC finalized, decided to go with Brian over a risk of missing out on Moore.

Moore, being a "hot" commodity could of asked for more pull or $, or say as well, and maybe the Saints were more willing to let him be the chef and get some of the groceries.

 

[jterrell]

I can agree with most of what you said but schottenheimer has 25 years experience and he had a father that was a head coach in this league a very successful head coach,

he been waiting for a long time to do this and he's not underqualified he actually was the play caller for some of Seattle Seahawks and some of Russell Wilsons best years, literally the dude had like 105 passing touchdowns and only 25 interceptions over a three-year. He was a pro bowler all three years and he was also an all pro one year under Brian Schottenheimer as the offensive coordinator and play caller...

He has lots more experience than Moore or Ben Johnson or Liam Cohen or even Aaron Glenn ,none of them have head coaching experience either, and some of them have very little coordinator experience, are you kidding me Liam Cohen, I never even heard of the guy he had one year in Tampa Bay as the offensive coordinator and now he's a head coach.... you tried to tell me that Schottenheimer has less experience than everyone on that list except for two coaches Pete Carroll and Mike Vrabel.

I don't know where all that's coming from because it's all false ,it's kind of right there in black and white and the fact is he must have had a list like this for a while and he finally got his shot and he's putting together a very good staff everyone should be more than impressed and surprised by Brian schottenheimer having this many connections, and yes he is very much ahead of the Saints and Moore..

It's very simple Brian Schottenheimer was a shock to even Jerry, he blew Jerry away in interviews, when Jerry did background checks from people he's worked with in the past coaches and players they all gave him a excellent reviews and glowing references.

So yes, Moore was the leading candidate but he lost out to Brian Schottenheimer, it's as simple as that, had nothing to do with the time that it would've took to get him, it literally he lost his formal second interview because Brian Schottenheimer stole the job from him, and you saying that somehow he doesn't have enough experience is ridiculous the man's been around the NFL since he's been a kid I bet there's stories where he's hung around his dad on the sidelines at every stop he's ever been on tell me that in 25 years as a coach in the NFL he's not more experienced than most of those guys up there who spent very little time at their positions with loaded rosters and got jobs for the first time as well?

Ok, so we have met BS biggest fan, got it.

None of what you typed changes that Brian had not been a true coordinator recently and was on zero radars getting zero other HC interviews.

As I noted, the hire may work out great. But Kellen was on other radars and did get another HC offer. He also of course won a SB as the play caller.

 

[MikeT22]

When Schott was hired it was reported when Jerry discussed the candidates with Dak, he leaned to Schott.

 

[jterrell]

When Schott was hired it was reported when Jerry discussed the candidates with Dak, he leaned to Schott.

No need for reports. Dak has been open that when he spoke to Jerry and Jerry wanted continuity than the only choice for Dak was Schotty.
Dak def supported the hire. He was at the press conference.
But Dak also loves Kellen and was heated that they fired him so Mike could call plays.

 

[zrinkill]

so predictable

 

[jazzcat22]

Because it is a situation where he will have control over who he hires on his staff and he won't have to deal with Jerry and Stephen. I don't think people understand what a hell it is to work in a situation where you are micromanaged to death.

He knows Jerry and Son will not spend in FA to improve. As NO has shown that they will spend. Even though they are in worse cap shape than Dallas. But somehow they still manage to make it work.

However, I do not feel that was the reason he is not here. KM was Jerry's 1st interview, and early in the playoffs. No way that hire was going to be made at that time.
I still say it was a favor from Jerry.

 

[5Stars]

No there's no good theories here there's only one actual fact and that is Brian schottenheimer's interview went so well he got a second interview and he changed Jerry's mind it's as simple as that Jerry chose Brian schottenheimer over Kelly Moore because of what was said in the interviews there was no other reason and by the way how is Kelly Moore all of a sudden the new boy genius everybody wants that nobody wanted that's hilarious he got the last job open and now he's way behind at assembling a coaching staff this feels like constellation price here to get the job with the Saints he was rejected by Jerry Jones and people around here can't understand it yes Jerry did want more but he changed his mind because schottenheimer had a great interview. And he also put together a great staff and everyone here is forgetting that that's the most important part he literally has surprised everyone with this coaching staff and now we're sitting here talking about more for no good reason other than you think he's good because he's on a Super Bowl team with an all in loaded roster and a great staff and somehow now it was because of him that the eagles won LMASO..

But this is what really happened ,​

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Brian Schottenheimer was being interviewed with no intentions of getting the job, maybe the OC was an option, they just wanted to hear what he had to say because he did have some locker room fans, the players liked him...​

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they already talked to Kellen Moore via zoom, on the phone, and he was a leading candidate for a formal in person Interview during the gap between the NFCCG and the SB, ​

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but Brian Schottenheimer said something in interview one that got him interview 2 the next day, the thing went 11 hours it turned Jerry around, BS said the right things and he made Jerry change his mind..SIMPLE huh, it wasn't because availability because BS comes highly reviewed by his ex-bosses, his ex-coaches, his ex-peers, and the players in the locker room.. ​

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they all like him it made jerry change his mind.​

Moore lost his job to Schottenheimer not because he wasn't available, and he was playing deep into the playoffs, he lost it because schottenheimer said the right things and got the right feedback that Jerry wanted, schottenheimer ended up winning the job, he didn't get it by default.

And I think we're missing the most important part is the staff he assembled way better than expected some of it might even be impressive so why are we going back on this nonsense for a guy nobody ever really wanted around here in the first place...

WTH? Really?

 

[MikeT22]

No need for reports. Dak has been open that when he spoke to Jerry and Jerry wanted continuity than the only choice for Dak was Schotty.
Dak def supported the hire. He was at the press conference.
But Dak also loves Kellen and was heated that they fired him so Mike could call plays.

No need for speculation

 

[beware_d-ware]

I don't buy the "hire Schottenheimer rather than wait on Moore" story. Literally no one was coming to offer Brian Schottenheimer an OC job, much less a HC job. Jerry could have back-burnered Schotty for as long as he wanted, and Schotty would've been happy to deal with it because he was closer to taking a college coaching job than an NFL one.

 

[thunderpimp91]

I don't buy the "hire Schottenheimer rather than wait on Moore" story. Literally no one was coming to offer Brian Schottenheimer an OC job, much less a HC job. Jerry could have back-burnered Schotty for as long as he wanted, and Schotty would've been happy to deal with it because he was closer to taking a college coaching job than an NFL one.

I would agree. There was no need for urgency in hiring Schottenheimer. The Cowboys were slow to negotiate with McCarthy, and barely interviewed anyone else for the HC job because they had a pretty good idea of who they wanted already. They easily could have waited on KM if he was their guy, but he wasnt.

 

[Proof]

i don't believe they had the confidence in him to lead a team...as some on this board do.
i don't believe they were blown away by him in the interview.
i don't think they heard from him anything that convinced them he was ready to lead.
i don't believe he turned them down because i don't believe they offered him the job.

good luck to him in new orleans.
go☆cowboys.

as we're throwing out theories, mine is that in the interview kellen wasn't overly grateful and pitching for the job and it probably turned them off as Jerry expected him to come home and really ingratiate himself