Keyshan Johnson:Vince Young similar to Romo but lacks the Wide Receivers

[smarta5150]

Running qb's are for college football only

We'll see what Tim Tebow does in the NFL one day...

I have a feeling that lame QB-shotgun-run-up-the-middle-play won't work in the Pros

 

[Hypnotoad]

Mike Vick... for like a couple of years.


I can see both sides of the argument, but the end all is this... regardless of what type of QB he is, his passing has to improve for him to have a successful career. Being that's he a "Running QB" he doesn't have to throw it like Peyton Manning to be successful, but he has to throw better then he does now.

Vick was a pain to play against, but you knew he was never going to be championship caliber. Young will never bring them glory. You have to be able to throw first, throw away second, hand off third, and run last. Even a statue can scramble, see big ben.

Vick was great for fantasy points though, but your fantasy legacy only lasts 7 days.

 

[theogt]

Mike Vick... for like a couple of years.


I can see both sides of the argument, but the end all is this... regardless of what type of QB he is, his passing has to improve for him to have a successful career. Being that's he a "Running QB" he doesn't have to throw it like Peyton Manning to be successful, but he has to throw better then he does now.

Vick has a successful day if he doesn't get cornholed in the community shower. That's about it.

well that is becasue of the way that you probably classify a running quarterback.

steve young, randall cunningham, fran tarkenton, and donovan mcnabb are all guys that could run like mad and certainly at times ran with little to no intention of passing but you probably classify them as passing QBs.

heck Vick took his team to the NFC championship. Young does have a winning record.

And those guys had high QB ratings. See how that works?

 

[AmericasTeam81]

Young, Tarketon, Staubach scrambled to by time to get the ball down the field.

 

[Rack]

Vick was a pain to play against, but you knew he was never going to be championship caliber. Young will never bring them glory. You have to be able to throw first, throw away second, hand off third, and run last.

I agree 100%, but I think that has (had actually) more to do with his attitude then with his ability.

I guess that's kind of a catch-22 though cuz if he had a better attitude, he likely would have worked harder on his passing game.

 

[Rack]

Vick has a successful day if he doesn't get cornholed in the community shower. That's about it.

May he have many many MANY UNsuccessful days then.

 

[MichaelWinicki]

Mike Vick... for like a couple of years.


I can see both sides of the argument, but the end all is this... regardless of what type of QB he is, his passing has to improve for him to have a successful career. Being that's he a "Running QB" he doesn't have to throw it like Peyton Manning to be successful, but he has to throw better then he does now.

Mike Vick?

Lifetime QB rating of 75.7-- a season high of 81.6.

Successful? If you say so.

 

[Chocolate Lab]

You have to admit, Young doesn't have many weapons, though. He's throwing it pretty well tonight.

I'd take him on my team, that's for sure.

 

[Rack]

Mike Vick?

Lifetime QB rating of 75.7-- a season high of 81.6.

Successful? If you say so.

I think you're missing the point. No, I KNOW you're missing the point.

 

[Deep_Freeze]

Name a successful running QB.

Mike Vick... for like a couple of years.


I can see both sides of the argument, but the end all is this... regardless of what type of QB he is, his passing has to improve for him to have a successful career. Being that's he a "Running QB" he doesn't have to throw it like Peyton Manning to be successful, but he has to throw better then he does now.

well that is becasue of the way that you probably classify a running quarterback.

steve young, randall cunningham, fran tarkenton, and donovan mcnabb are all guys that could run like mad and certainly at times ran with little to no intention of passing but you probably classify them as passing QBs.

heck Vick took his team to the NFC championship. Young does have a winning record.

Great responses here.

I just don't agree that a running QB is an unsuccessful QB, and that is something I will never agree with. The game for a QB can be more than just passing numbers. While I agree he will have to improve his passing, to say he can't succeed cause he runs too much at his young age is a bit premature.

 

[AmericasTeam81]

Running qbs are the most taked about because of the their exciting play. Their exciting play never garnered championships in the NFL

 

[MichaelWinicki]

I think you're missing the point. No, I KNOW you're missing the point.

Then I stand corrected.

Vince Young sucks.

Vick was barely above "suck".

 

[Deep_Freeze]

I think you're missing the point. No, I KNOW you're missing the point.

I have to agree with Rack......Mike, you are missing the whole point of what is being said.

 

[theogt]

Great responses here.

I just don't agree that a running QB is an unsuccessful QB, and that is something I will never agree with. The game for a QB can be more than just passing numbers. While I agree he will have to improve his passing, to say he can't succeed cause he runs too much at his young age is a bit premature.

A running QB can be successful. But when they are they have high QB ratings. A running QB that has a terrible QB rating will never be successful.

 

[Rack]

Then I stand corrected.

Vince Young sucks.

Vick was barely above "suck".

That's a really well thought out reply.


Maybe instead of jumping to conclussions and rushing to post in your sarcastic tone you should actually read the thread and try to understand the conversation?


If you had, you'd know why I said Vick was successful (for a couple of seasons as I stated before).



If not, then there's no point in you replying to the thread.


Better yet... theo, you wanna fill him in?

 

[MichaelWinicki]

That's a really well thought out reply.


Maybe instead of jumping to conclussions and rushing to post in your sarcastic tone you should actually read the thread and try to understand the conversation?


If you had, you'd know why I said Vick was successful (for a couple of seasons as I stated before).



If not, then there's no point in you replying to the thread.


Better yet... theo, you wanna fill him in?

That's easy.


Vick was never successful in the NFL.

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

A running QB can be successful. But when they are they have high QB ratings. A running QB that has a terrible QB rating will never be successful.

successful as a QB or successful as a team?

 

[theogt]

successful as a QB or successful as a team?

Successful as a QB contributing to the success of the team.

 

[Rack]

A running QB can be successful. But when they are they have high QB ratings. A running QB that has a terrible QB rating will never be successful.

A running QB has to have SOME type of passing ability (better then what Young has now), but they don't have to have a high QB rating to be successful. The point is they may only be average passers, but they make up for it with their running ability.


Now, that said, there is no QB in history that has been able to accomplish that (that I know of) other then Mike Vick (again, for a couple of seasons before teams figured him out).


I'd say if a QB is around an 80 QB rating, throwing about 55% and about even TD/INT ratio, but is also running for 60 yards a game plus adding 8 - 10 TDs a season... that's pretty good.

Too bad that person doesn't exist.



Point is you can be a successful running QB as long as your are at LEAST an average passer. Young doesn't fit that description. Sometimes he throws some awesome looking passes... but sometimes he throws like a cross between Chad Hutchinson and Quincy Carter. He sometimes throws like Chincy Carchinson.

 

[Rack]

That's easy.


Vick was never successful in the NFL.

So much for you adding anything constructive to the discussion.


I'd expect more from a mod, but then again... it's you.