Kiffin unsure he can turn Cowboys around

[Stash]

I know a lot of you are projecting your frustrations and anger at Jerry, Kiffin, yada and I understand. These are the guys who are ultimately responsible. You cannot forecast this many injuries. There is no way to evaluate the defensive jobs this year IMO. And that effects the entire team. I can find fault with the depth but realistically there is no roster in the NFL that could survive all these injuries. You could make a case for not drafting players with injuries but that's nearly impossible to do.

It just sucks because it is what it is. And you can't call in sick. You have to put your product on the field and hope you don't get another Chi.

Someone asked if this was the worst defense in Cowboys history and I said I didn't know but the 89 defense was horrible. Well this one is probably worse. Maybe they can get enough guys on the field to although the O to offset the D. It would help to get some turnovers. The O has to have more opportunities.

Injuries didn't stop Rob Ryan from getting fired and it shouldn't with either Kiffin or Garett.

Injuries happen to every team, every year. They are part of the game. If you're going to give favorites a free pass every year you have them, you'll never be able to justify firing them, there will always be an excuse.

 

[jobberone]

Injuries didn't stop Rob Ryan from getting fired and it shouldn't with either Kiffin or Garett.

Injuries happen to every team, every year. They are part of the game. If you're going to give favorites a free pass every year you have them, you'll never be able to justify firing them, there will always be an excuse.

Of course they happen every year to every team just not this much and when they do generally the team fails. If u can't see and recognize that then we can have any conversation. That doesnt mean people won't get fired but hopefully it will be for different reasons. Ryan was fired for more reasons than just failure of the defense AFAIK.

This agenda sounds kool and gets likes but its simplistic.

 

[Stash]

Of course they happen every year to every team just not this much and when they do generally the team fails. If u can't see and recognize that then we can have any conversation. That doesnt mean people won't get fired but hopefully it will be for different reasons. Ryan was fired for more reasons than just failure of the defense AFAIK.

This agenda sounds kool and gets likes but its simplistic.

Not as simplistic as obvious double-standards applied to one coach but not another.

While I can gladly acknowledge that this team has had a lot of defensive injuries, I can say the same for last season as well.

And some of the issues aren't as simple as injury.

Spencer's was not a sudden ACL tear, but a degenerative condition, one which could have and likely should have been detected earlier, like before the application of a $10 million plus franchise tag.

And the Ratliff fiasco? Anybody with a functioning set of eyes could see that coming from their couch!

And many of us know-nothing's advocated getting rid of him long before the 'brain trust' finally did.

So, as much as people want to use injuries as the sole reason for record-setting futility and as a mulligan for this coaching staff, some of their issues are very much self-inflicted and not just written off to 'bad luck'.

 

[jobberone]

Not as simplistic as obvious double-standards applied to one coach but not another.

While I can gladly acknowledge that this team has had a lot of defensive injuries, I can say the same for last season as well.

And some of the issues aren't as simple as injury.

Spencer's was not a sudden ACL tear, but a degenerative condition, one which could have and likely should have been detected earlier, like before the application of a $10 million plus franchise tag.

And the Ratliff fiasco? Anybody with a functioning set of eyes could see that coming from their couch!

And many of us know-nothing's advocated getting rid of him long before the 'brain trust' finally did.

So, as much as people want to use injuries as the sole reason for record-setting futility and as a mulligan for this coaching staff, some of their issues are very much self-inflicted and not just written off to 'bad luck'.

We don't disagree about the injuries both years but there was more to the Ryan firing than football. Or did you read that part? No one can tell anything about this defense with all these injuries. Now if you don't care about that and will just fire someone then we just disagree with that approach to personnel. People need the resources to do their job. Having said that, I had my doubts about this defense day one. There are plenty of people who played in and know this defense who say it will work with the proper personnel. Maybe. I do know that there are teams that run their defense based off the Tampa 2 and they do well. People make too much of the scheme anyway. Teams show all kinds of looks these days so the best thing you can say is the defense is 'based' on this or that. Much of the time they are in special packages some designed for the match ups that week. It is true some players do well used one way and some another. Some players are going to make plays if you put them in the game period. And some aren't. The point is you need football players and we don't have enough on D right now.

And without doing a scope of the knee you can't make any claims you 'knew' what the problem was. Some people play active sports with their ACL shredded. I can't say I've ever seen a pro FB player with that situation but it wouldn't surprise me. Most people need their ACL but it's not universal. And the major point is you can do MRs, CTs and arthrograms but you can't be sure what's going on without looking. The standard of care is to watch and see how the patient does. If they remain symptomatic and/or dysfunctional then you look and operate as necessary. Until then it's not good medicine to put a patient to sleep and invade a major joint without good reason. There is a distinct morbidity and mortality to general anesthesia and we've all seen patients get infected after a scope and that's a mess.

I already said Ratliff was a problem because we were backed into a corner of use him or pay the money. And I don't believe any one on this site knew before hand that Ratliff was never going to play this year or the situation would deteriorate to this point. If you say you were concerned he would make it thru the year then I'd be right there with you. You're basically upside down in a lease with Ratliff; you can't sell it or trade it you just have to drive it and hope it cranks up everyday.

No one here is clairvoyant. There are only a few doctors on this site. And no one here knows enough about the defense to really have a truly informed opinion of what exactly all the problems are. At least not speaking as an NFL coach or player who knows this defense well.

Put some better football players out there and you'll see different results regardless of who is coaching.

BTW, my response is not just directed to you. I don't see you changing your opinion. I will say that if you want to improve a situation then you must understand what is going wrong on more than the bottom line and you need to have some insight into solving the problem. Anyone can walk into a room, say I'm in charge and you, you and you are fired.

 

[Stash]

We don't disagree about the injuries both years but there was more to the Ryan firing than football. Or did you read that part? No one can tell anything about this defense with all these injuries. Now if you don't care about that and will just fire someone then we just disagree with that approach to personnel. People need the resources to do their job. Having said that, I had my doubts about this defense day one. There are plenty of people who played in and know this defense who say it will work with the proper personnel. Maybe. I do know that there are teams that run their defense based off the Tampa 2 and they do well. People make too much of the scheme anyway. Teams show all kinds of looks these days so the best thing you can say is the defense is 'based' on this or that. Much of the time they are in special packages some designed for the match ups that week. It is true some players do well used one way and some another. Some players are going to make plays if you put them in the game period. And some aren't. The point is you need football players and we don't have enough on D right now.

For the most part, I will not disagree. But I will point out two things. Kiffin always maintained that he had the parts he needed and never asked for things in the draft. And secondly, this defense didn't look good from week one.

And without doing a scope of the knee you can't make any claims you 'knew' what the problem was. Some people play active sports with their ACL shredded. I can't say I've ever seen a pro FB player with that situation but it wouldn't surprise me. Most people need their ACL but it's not universal. And the major point is you can do MRs, CTs and arthrograms but you can't be sure what's going on without looking. The standard of care is to watch and see how the patient does. If they remain symptomatic and/or dysfunctional then you look and operate as necessary. Until then it's not good medicine to put a patient to sleep and invade a major joint without good reason. There is a distinct morbidity and mortality to general anesthesia and we've all seen patients get infected after a scope and that's a mess.

Won't discount much if what you say here, but if I'm investing $10 million dollars, I'm making sure. I'm pretty confident that an MRI would show the lack of tissue in the knee joint.

I already said Ratliff was a problem because we were backed into a corner of use him or pay the money. And I don't believe any one on this site knew before hand that Ratliff was never going to play this year or the situation would deteriorate to this point. If you say you were concerned he would make it thru the year then I'd be right there with you. You're basically upside down in a lease with Ratliff; you can't sell it or trade it you just have to drive it and hope it cranks up everyday.

We knew it wasn't good from our couches, there's no excuse for those closest to it to be so out of touch, none.

No one here is clairvoyant. There are only a few doctors on this site. And no one here knows enough about the defense to really have a truly informed opinion of what exactly all the problems are. At least not speaking as an NFL coach or player who knows this defense well.

Put some better football players out there and you'll see different results regardless of who is coaching.

BTW, my response is not just directed to you. I don't see you changing your opinion. I will say that if you want to improve a situation then you must understand what is going wrong on more than the bottom line and you need to have some insight into solving the problem. Anyone can walk into a room, say I'm in charge and you, you and you are fired.

Or they can continue to think "we're this close and if only this, this, and this happen, we'll be successful".

And blame bad planning on bad luck.

 

[cowboyblue22]

this defense is AWFUL just like the head coach and gm

 

[Beast_from_East]

Sorry, but time is up................Garrett has had almost 4 freaking seasons and he cannot even break 500............are you kidding me?

If you are the owner of a franchise and you are doing interviews and the guy you interview tells you "hire me as your head coach, I think I can have this team over 500 by year 4 or 5 of my tenure".

You, as the owner, looks out the window and starts thinking................"Indy, SF, Philly, KC"....................do they have a 5 yr plan to break 500?

After you get up off the floor from laughing so hard, you politely show the candidate the way to the parking lot.

 

[dupree89]

I imagine the conversation went something like this:

Reporter: Monte, do you think you can turn this defense around?

Kiffin: Depends

Reporter: No, I didnt ask what you're wearing. I want to know if you can straighten out this defense!

 

[jobberone]

For the most part, I will not disagree. But I will point out two things. Kiffin always maintained that he had the parts he needed and never asked for things in the draft. And secondly, this defense didn't look good from week one.

No one turns down new equipment. They did not have the cap to sign another FA DB so they drafted at the position. What else could they do. We are still struggling to get caught up with overall talent on the roster and that's on Jerry et al not Kiffin.

Won't discount much if what you say here, but if I'm investing $10 million dollars, I'm making sure. I'm pretty confident that an MRI would show the lack of tissue in the knee joint.

Maybe. But they didn't know this until later. And you're only making a very uneducated guess they knew he would need micro fracture surgery after his first surgery. You HAVE to wait and see what symptoms, signs, and dysfunction he has before proceeding to another surgery. And this was after the draft and in Sept they put him on IR. So know one KNEW he wasn't going to play this year. No one KNEW Ratliff would not play. No one KNEW Crawford would tear his Achilles. And no one KNEW Bass would be out due to his shoulder. That's four DL. You can repeat they should have planned on it ad infinitum but no one can predict injuries and such. And the Cowboys had made their bed long ago with respect to Ratliff and Spencer. No cigar for you!

We knew it wasn't good from our couches, there's no excuse for those closest to it to be so out of touch, none.

Only you and some others here are prescient. Not me and not the FO.

Or they can continue to think "we're this close and if only this, this, and this happen, we'll be successful".

And blame bad planning on bad luck.

They need to look at talent acquisition and resigning more closely. That's problematic. As you said everyone has injuries so I guess they're not to blame for them. They are responsible for depth and that's been a long standing problem.

 

[jobberone]

BTW, Lee is out as is Carter, Harris and likely Claiborne.