La'el Collins Thread - Cleared post 767; visited Cowboys - 05/06/15

[Zordon]

i can't see him making a decision for a couple of days. if he's innocent, i can't imagine how distraught he must feel right now.

 

[Hailmary]

We don't really need him at this point

I would kick the tires but not go crazy

I strongly disagree. 1) He would immediately be better than what we already have at RT. 2) We can trade him for a first next year if we choose not to keep him.

 

[PoundTheRock]

Maximum bonus for UDFAs is 80k a year for an entire team.

You can get around that by guaranteeing his base salary. That's how the Cowboys got Leary. They guaranteed him 205,000 of that for him to sign.

 

[Galian Beast]

Does he have bad knees or does he get a big contract? We'll deal with Leary when we have to.

It won't take nothing to sign Collins, but if it does then go for it.

Both. Some team will pay him too. Dealing with things before you have to is how you don't catch yourself in reactive situations like we have recently.

Collins upgrades the team long term and maybe even short term and saves us a lot of money in the process.

 

[Galian Beast]

You can get around that by guaranteeing his base salary. That's how the Cowboys got Leary. They guaranteed him 205,000 of that for him to sign.

The rule for the guaranteed money I believe came after the Leary signing.

 

[Galian Beast]

i can't see him making a decision for a couple of days. if he's innocent, i can't imagine how distraught he must feel right now.

Agreed, but it still has to move on, and hopefully we can benefit from the situation rather than another team benefiting from it. You look at how we got Dez or Gregory and sometimes you have to get fortunate to get these players.

 

[Nightman]

I strongly disagree. 1) He would immediately be better than what we already have at RT. 2) We can trade him for a first next year if we choose not to keep him.

We aren't the only team aware of these things.

We had 3 7ths if we really wanted him.

 

[Galian Beast]

I strongly disagree. 1) He would immediately be better than what we already have at RT. 2) We can trade him for a first next year if we choose not to keep him.

Thanks for looking at the big picture. You should never balk at getting talented players for basically nothing. There is always value in having them as starters, backups (depth) or for trades.

 

[Galian Beast]

We aren't the only team aware of these things.

We had 3 7ths if we really wanted him.

Again, if you draft him, he wouldn't have to sign, and would have a way into the draft for next year.

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

It seems obvious to me that teams are going to take a wait and see approach to see how the murder investigation turns out. I cannot blame them as he might have a Carruth style motive if the child turns out to be his. Too much uncertainty.

 

[Galian Beast]

Outside of playing Guard he could very well be our future right tackle.

 

[Nightman]

Again, if you draft him, he wouldn't have to sign, and would have a way into the draft for next year.

I would've called his bluff.

Sitting out a year without playing doesn't automatically improve his stock.

 

[Galian Beast]

It seems obvious to me that teams are going to take a wait and see approach to see how the murder investigation turns out. I cannot blame them as he might have a Carruth style motive if the child turns out to be his. Too much uncertainty.

Teams that want to wait for an official clearing will find themselves losing out on a free 1st round draft pick. You get him now, and let the dust clear. If things develop in the wrong way, you can cut him easily.

 

[Galian Beast]

I would've called his bluff.

Sitting out a year without playing doesn't automatically improve his stock.

He would have been cleared by this time in the next draft assuming he is innocent, that would certainly help his draft stock.

 

[yimyammer]

Maximum bonus for UDFAs is 80k a year for an entire team.

Is there a salary cap on UDFA? If not, I think one could creatively work around that. They gave Leary $214,000 in guaranteed salary and bonus a fee years ago so it looks like they can find a way to make a good offer if they want

 

[yimyammer]

Teams that want to wait for an official clearing will find themselves losing out on a free 1st round draft pick. You get him now, and let the dust clear. If things develop in the wrong way, you can cut him easily.

No brainer, this seems like the type of deal they like to make. Surely they're at least kicking tires

 

[Zordon]

Agreed, but it still has to move on, and hopefully we can benefit from the situation rather than another team benefiting from it. You look at how we got Dez or Gregory and sometimes you have to get fortunate to get these players.

i'm with you man. i'm not one of these holier than thou fans who worries 24/7 about the perception of this franchise. they hate us regardless what we do.

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

Teams that want to wait for an official clearing will find themselves losing out on a free 1st round draft pick. You get him now, and let the dust clear. If things develop in the wrong way, you can cut him easily.

Maybe at this risk level, we shall see. He did keep on sliding.

 

[Galian Beast]

Is there a salary cap on UDFA? If not, I think one could creatively work around that. They gave Leary $214,000 in guaranteed salary and bonus a fee years ago so it looks like they can find a way to make a good offer if they want

Not sure if there is a salary max or just the signing bonus max. Not sure if guaranteed money can be made in lieu of signing bonus max.

If it is a way around it, let's do it. We'll see I guess.

I would be afraid of guaranteeing too much. The contract would have to be worded that if he is on the roster at the start of the season, then his salary is guaranteed for X dollars.

 

[Galian Beast]

Maybe at this risk level, we shall see. He did keep on sliding.

Well I think he slid because teams didn't like the situation and didn't want to waste a draft pick on someone who might be going to jail and who might not play for you if you draft him...

As an UDFA we don't have to worry about these variables.