Landry and Jimmy would have cut TO!!

[Doomsday101]

Are you nuts?! Irvin griped constantly about getting more and more and more balls thrown at him. Even Aikman said last week (when sitting beside Irvin ) that Irvin would tell Aikman to throw into triple coverage. He was a HUGE distraction his last year or two due to cocaine, ******, etc. He was a GREAT player, but he is no different than TO (or at least the TO with the cowboys). Hell, for that matter they are so alike they are close friends.

Troy has said a lot of great things about Irvin saying he was the best team player he has played with, Yet Troy has not said a lot of good things about TO. Even Irvin said when he and Troy were sitting next to each other that one differance is TO is not a people person Irvin is, Mike knew how to get his message across without slamming teammates. TO hasn't he flys off the handle and makes his stupid comments like he did with WR coach. I will work with him but the trust is gone? next game TO gets a few passes and he is hugging on the coach?

 

[Maikeru-sama]

Michael Irvin, when he was on The Best Damn Sport Show Period talked about how he never went after Aikman because he didnt want to mess with the "Psyche" of the QB and didnt want him to have any reason not to throw him the ball.

But after that he said, "Now the Offensive Coordinator...im gonna tear up his head".

- Mike G.

 

[Cowboy4ever]

The difference is that Irvin's celebrations were spontaneous and full of the energy of the moment. There was none of the premeditated nature that runs through TO's routines. Owens should have known that the refs were just waiting for the opportunity to flag him. Irvin would never have put his own celebration above the well-being of the team. Irvin had issues off the field, but the team always came first on the field.

2 points.. 1. You have no way of knowing what is spontaneous on the feild.. I am sure Irvin gave thought about to his reactions.. making them non spontaneous.. but maybe they were.. the point being.. no way of knowing. And the second point,, you can't seperate off field and on field. If a player gets arrested, it effects his ability to be ON the Field.. thus it hurts the team. IMO..

 

[braw]

Geez, mea culpa..I didn't see your post.

Actually, it was a double major in history and poly sci after an early infatuation with comparative religions. My terminal degree - a doctorate - is in history from Georgetown, and I did some ed work at Providence College.
All Catholic schools from K on up.

But you're right on the "English" end - my chief love is literature - a love too strong to have wanted to have to make a living from it. And I now teach chiefly linguistics, a subject often offered via post-secondary English departments.

It just goes to show we all end up goofing off at the Cowboys Zone, which provides us with the blessed opportunity to forsake the important issues of the day to run on about the relative good and evil of Terrell Owens.

America - she's beautiful.

Well I thought so...I have a double major from University of Texas (Pyschology and Bussiness Admin) with a Master's in Individual Differences and Evolutionary Psychology.

Since you love "English" and your passion is Literature, then you reveal the distain for TO.....Every story needs its "Villian".

Until next time. Go Cowboys

 

[LaTunaNostra]

Well I thought so...I have a double major from University of Texas (Pyschology and Bussiness Admin) with a Master's in Individual Differences and Evolutionary Psychology.

Since you love "English" and your passion is Literature, then you reveal the distain for TO.....Every story needs its "Villian".

Until next time. Go Cowboys

Yes! Football is the ultimate morality play...and the best kind...entertainment based, with no serious consequences .

Owens is indeed the league's best 'villain' in decades. :laugh2:

 

[tunahelper]

Coach Landry would have fired TO today !! Jimmy would not have even let TO
on the team plane.

Complete B.S.
Either of them would been glad to have him!
Get real!

 

[zrinkill]

Michael Irvin stabbed our starting center with scissors ......

I love Mike but if he had played in the "internet/Shock news!" age he would have been 10 times the distraction that T.O. is ..........

 

[juck]

This thread would would be void if TO caught that Hail mary.

 

[Tuna Helper]

Troy has said a lot of great things about Irvin saying he was the best team player he has played with, Yet Troy has not said a lot of good things about TO. Even Irvin said when he and Troy were sitting next to each other that one differance is TO is not a people person Irvin is, Mike knew how to get his message across without slamming teammates. TO hasn't he flys off the handle and makes his stupid comments like he did with WR coach. I will work with him but the trust is gone? next game TO gets a few passes and he is hugging on the coach?

Michael Irvin uses his hands a lot, and likes to rub on people while talking. It is tough to ignore him if he keeps rubbing on you.

Your comment about Owens further affirms my belief that he is bipolar. Bipolar disorder is nothing to mess with. I only hope that he is taking meds and seeking help.

 

[Clove]

Now a days, when a coach is pressed to win or be fired (unlike back in the day) you have to do what you have to do to win. So Landry or Jimmy may not like certain players, but they may need them to save their jobs, (in this era)

 

[jem88]

2 points.. 1. You have no way of knowing what is spontaneous on the feild.. I am sure Irvin gave thought about to his reactions.. making them non spontaneous.. but maybe they were.. the point being.. no way of knowing. And the second point,, you can't seperate off field and on field. If a player gets arrested, it effects his ability to be ON the Field.. thus it hurts the team. IMO..

Hey it's no defence of Irvin's off-field behaviour, but on the field, the guy obviously put the team first, his own antics second. For me the classic example was the game where his consecutive receptions streak came to an end. Of course it bothered him, but he was right there on the sidelines pumping up the team. None of the pouting ala T.O. that we get to see every other Sunday.

 

[StoneyBurk]

Complete B.S.
Either of them would been glad to have him!
Get real!

You get real! Landry traded away his best running back after we won the Super Bowl because of attitude. He cut Henderson for showboating during a loss.

 

[joseephuss]

You get real! Landry traded away his best running back after we won the Super Bowl because of attitude. He cut Henderson for showboating during a loss.

Yet, Landry showed patience with Duane Thomas the entire season before parting ways. He didn't cut him after 8 games and many players said that Thomas was a distraction the whole season. T.O. has only been here half a season. I don't see him coming back next year and if Landry were T.O.'s coach I don't think he would cut T.O. until after the year either.

 

[Doomsday101]

Yet, Landry showed patience with Duane Thomas the entire season before parting ways. He didn't cut him after 8 games and many players said that Thomas was a distraction the whole season. T.O. has only been here half a season. I don't see him coming back next year and if Landry were T.O.'s coach I don't think he would cut T.O. until after the year either.

True, However Thomas only played 11 games out of the 14 and Calvin Hill took over the job and Thomas went to the bench. At the end of the season Thomas was gone. Henderson was cut the day after Thanksgiving in the 79 season. Tom did give players chances but only to a certain point

 

[WV Cowboy]

Does anyone really compare Owens' actions, with snorting cocaine during a game ??

I think we are losing perspective here folks.

I have always been a huge fan of Michael Irvin and Hollywood Henderson, ... still am !!

Love'm both !

But their actions are in a different league than anything Owens has said or done.

Compare him to Keyshawn or C. Johnson, but those guys commited crimes for crying out loud.

 

[joseephuss]

True, However Thomas only played 11 games out of the 14 and Calvin Hill took over the job and Thomas went to the bench. At the end of the season Thomas was gone. Henderson was cut the day after Thanksgiving in the 79 season. Tom did give players chances but only to a certain point

Very true. I also don't think Henderson was cut just for showboating in a loss. It was deeper than that. The showboating just was the final straw. T.O. is a pain, but so far in Dallas he isn't on the level of either Thomas or Henderson. He may get there, but I don't see any reason to cut him at this point. I see a reason to make him do extra work in practice because he needs to stop dropping passes.

 

[superpunk]

Does anyone really compare Owens' actions, with snorting cocaine during a game ??

I think we are losing perspective here folks.

I have always been a huge fan of Michael Irvin and Hollywood Henderson, ... still am !!

Love'm both !

But their actions are in a different league than anything Owens has said or done.

Compare him to Keyshawn or C. Johnson, but those guys commited crimes for crying out loud.

In fairness - you were the one who brought Michael Irvin into this discussion.

 

[Doomsday101]

Does anyone really compare Owens' actions, with snorting cocaine during a game ??

I think we are losing perspective here folks.

I have always been a huge fan of Michael Irvin and Hollywood Henderson, ... still am !!

Love'm both !

But their actions are in a different league than anything Owens has said or done.

Compare him to Keyshawn or C. Johnson, but those guys commited crimes for crying out loud.

No I'm not comparing TO to Thomas or Henderson. My comments were Tom did not put up with problem players for very long and would cut a guy who he felt was a burden on the team. I would also add Landry was not the only one who would do that however times have changed but many of the old coaches were very strict with players and did not tolerate a lot of non-sense. Times have changed and people have changed we are more accepting of bad behavior

 

[Doomsday101]

Here is a portion of an interview with Stauback:

TAE: Increasingly, professional sports is becoming tarnished by scandal. Athletes are routinely alleged to have committed violent crimes. More than 10 percent of the players in the last Super Bowl had criminal histories. What’s causing all this?

STAUBACH: Money can corrupt or it can be a vehicle for good things. In the old days, players were paid well, but not like now. When you’re young, it’s easy to get caught up on this fast-track lifestyle. Who a person associates with matters a great deal, too. When an athlete is making a lot of money, he has to be careful who he surrounds himself with.

When I played, the Cowboys had their share of problems, just as they do today. But back then Tom Landry dealt with each of them. Discipline is so much more difficult now. In business, you’ve got to have leadership, and the ability to discipline people. The same goes for sports. If a coach doesn’t do it, he gets in trouble. Landry did it.

TAE: He was the sort of man who didn’t have any qualms about cracking down.

STAUBACH: If you were late for practice, it didn’t matter if your excuse was an automobile accident. Landry’s view was, “You should have left earlier.” No exceptions. Players were dealt with swiftly—either cut or traded. Landry tried to balance coaching and discipline. Some coaches don’t know how to do that.

TAE: When athletes make it big today, they seem to bring the culture of their old lifestyles with them. Their buddies from the neighborhood become part of their entourage. Years ago, athletes tried to put that life behind them once they became successful.

STAUBACH: You’re right. It’s those associations that cause a lot of this.

TAE: The Cowboys have recently had more than their share of controversies. The joke a year or two ago was, “How do the Cowboys spend their first week of training camp? Answer: studying their Miranda rights.” How do you change that?

STAUBACH: Jerry Jones has done a great thing by trying to use former NFL players such as Calvin Hill and Paul Warfield—guys who have a great deal of personal integrity and stature—to influence younger players.

TAE: Do you think the NFL should suspend players for off-the-field behavior, which it did for the very first time last season?

STAUBACH: Absolutely. They should do more than that, but I’m not running the NFL. I think there should be random testing for drugs, for example, because drugs lead to many other problems. A player is tested when he comes into the league, but once he’s there it never happens unless a guy behaves totally off the wall. But some of these reforms are being prevented by the Players’ Association.

 

[WV Cowboy]

In fairness - you were the one who brought Michael Irvin into this discussion.

Exactly, to show how ridiculous all of this anti-Owens talk is, .. when many who talk about Owens were OK with Irvin.

I am trying to understand that.

How can what Owens has done be wrong, but what Irvin did OK, when Irvins' actions were criminal.

I am trying to show that the posters that don't like Owens now didn't like him before he got here, sort of to prove that he hasn't done anything since he got here to merit such disdain.

Many people didn't like him before we signed him, which is fine, but those are the ones that are jumping on everything he says or does and find fault.

I am pretty much worn out from trying to get that across, but that is what I have tried to do.