Last week of Terry Glenn's NFL Career?

[dargonking999]

I don't think you need to worry.

The guy couldn't and cannot even pass a team's physical.

And you're worried about him 'torching us'?

Wow!

Put down the 2006 highlight tapes and fast forward to the present.

The last time this guy actually could take the field, he was a complete non-factor.

And now he's so 'healthy' that he won't even bet on himself to stay that way?

Doesn't scream 'confidence' or 'honesty' to me.

More like a guy looking to pick up another year of NFL salary whether he can' contribute or not.

Anybody who would allow him to do that is a sucker.

a very blinded view i see you have.

If he is not ready by game 1, cut him, but cutting him now (the point of the thread) serves no purpose, and doesn't save any money, or help any of the young guys.

 

[Idgit]

Sure will.

My memory isn't selective or revisionist like some people's.

Glenn is now a 'hero' becuase he went against the team's wishes and wasted an entire season doing it 'his way'?

Pfft. Please.

Glenn's motives were his own, not the team's. The team wanted him to get healthy for the long haul.

If he had done that, he'd be ready to go instead of posturing like he is now.

If he's as healthy as he claims, signing the split contract shouldn't be an issue.

Apparently it is.

I'll wait to see what happens at the start of camp.

If Glenn is still posturing, I would not hesitate to cut him immediately and move on.

The last thing I want to see is another wasted season of wasted money, wasted time, and wasted roster spots for a guy who can no longer play.

Stash goes double-or-nuthin' in the offseason WR derby.
I still don't see why you complain about the money (it doesn't affect the team's ability to be competitive in any way) or time (it's not your time that's wasted). The roster spot is another matter, but until we get down to the final game day roster, the possibility of a Glenn who can contribute far outweighs the risk.

There's no reason to be hasty about this problem. When there are options available to us, our front office moves fast. When there aren't we take our time and make the right decisions carefully.

You're wildly off-base re: Glenn's motivations for last year's surgery, btw.

 

[Stash]

Stash goes double-or-nuthin' in the offseason WR derby.
I still don't see why you complain about the money (it doesn't affect the team's ability to be competitive in any way) or time (it's not your time that's wasted). The roster spot is another matter, but until we get down to the final game day roster, the possibility of a Glenn who can contribute far outweighs the risk.

There's no reason to be hasty about this problem. When there are options available to us, our front office moves fast. When there aren't we take our time and make the right decisions carefully.

You're wildly off-base re: Glenn's motivations for last year's surgery, btw.

'Off base' huh?

How off base is it when the team's own website first reported that Glenn was done for the season, and then the story was later altered?

What does that tell you?

It tells me that the team advised hi to have season-ending surgery and he went against their recommendations.

Jerry himself mentioned numerous times about what he paid for 4 plays.

Doesn't sound like a quote a happy owner would make to me.

If Glenn is healthy, put up or shut up.

Show everyone how 'healthy' and 'ready' you are by getting out on the field.

He comes off as a con-artist otherwise.

 

[theebs]

Stash goes double-or-nuthin' in the offseason WR derby.
I still don't see why you complain about the money (it doesn't affect the team's ability to be competitive in any way) or time (it's not your time that's wasted). The roster spot is another matter, but until we get down to the final game day roster, the possibility of a Glenn who can contribute far outweighs the risk.

There's no reason to be hasty about this problem. When there are options available to us, our front office moves fast. When there aren't we take our time and make the right decisions carefully.

You're wildly off-base re: Glenn's motivations for last year's surgery, btw.

I dont think we should or need to release him this week. I just think that jerry is a fair guy and if they are headed down the path that he will be released I think Jerry and Stephen out of respect will give him his release which he asked for to catch on with a new team.

They are doing him a dis-service by keeping him through camp and then cutting him. I think he will be released and signed to another team. Then I am going to be really bummed if he stays healthy and plays well.

I wonder who he will catch on with also. I am pretty sure haley loved him so Arizona would be in the mix, I think payton loved him so you never know about the saints and then possibly cleveland if they feel they need that vet as insurance for jurevicious and the oft injured winslow and edwards. I am not sure cleveland is really in that mix though.

Then of course miami, who will end up signing one or two of our young wr I imagine anyway.

I hope he stays, signs the deal, has a great camp and is a factor. I want him here and I want him to be part of a championship if this team is hopefully good enough to get that far. After what jjt said two weeks ago though I dont think it is even an option. I think his fate is sealed and he wont even make it Oxnard.

 

[Idgit]

'Off base' huh?

How off base is it when the team's own website first reported that Glenn was done for the saeason, and then the story was later altered?

What does that tell you?

It tells me that the team advised hi to have season-ending surgery and he went against their recommendations.

It doesn't tell me anything. There's not enough data there for you to determine that's what happened. Maybe both Glenn and the team got a second opinion. Maybe the doctors changed their prognosis based off of a review of the evidence. Maybe Glenn decided to have the surgery and then changed his mind. Maybe both stories were written and the wrong one was put up in error.

But this is another example of why it doesn't bay to jump to hasty conclusions when you don't have evidence to support your hunches.

Jerry himself mentioned numerous times about what he paid for 4 plays.

Doesn't sound like a quote a happy owner would make to me.

If Glenn is healthy, put up or shut up.

Show everyone how 'healthy' and 'ready' you are by getting out on the field.

He comes off as a con-artist otherwise.

Nobody said Jerry was happy about how last year turned out. It's not particularly relevant to the topic. There's no context here where Glenn looks like a con-artist. From reports, it's not the split contract that was a non-starter for him. It was the bait and switch on the salaries. The fact that he was willing to sign the split contract in the first place blows your notion that he doesn't believe in his knee out of the water. Unless you think he planned the whole thing and was just manufacturing an excuse not to sign the deal he agreed to in the first place. If you're that far down the conspiracy theory road, I can't help you.

 

[zeromaster]

He didn't rob the team blind. He could have made that 4.6 mil had the season ending surgery in TC and been done with it.

Instead he did everything he could to come back this season, and was not able to.

Should he sign that offer? yes, but signing it now, or the week of the season won't change anything, other than opening up opportunity for him to get hurt.

If anything he's playing hardball, so he won't play in TC and won't risk injury like he did last season.

But by all means continue to blast him, and run him through the dirt, when signs his contract and catches the game winning TD in the first game of the season, you won't remember this thread.

And when the first regular season game has come and gone, and Glenn has done nothing special, will you want to remember it?

You can guarantee nothing where Glenn is concerned, nor can any of us.

 

[Idgit]

I dont think we should or need to release him this week. I just think that jerry is a fair guy and if they are headed down the path that he will be released I think Jerry and Stephen out of respect will give him his release which he asked for to catch on with a new team.

They are doing him a dis-service by keeping him through camp and then cutting him. I think he will be released and signed to another team. Then I am going to be really bummed if he stays healthy and plays well.

I wonder who he will catch on with also. I am pretty sure haley loved him so Arizona would be in the mix, I think payton loved him so you never know about the saints and then possibly cleveland if they feel they need that vet as insurance for jurevicious and the oft injured winslow and edwards. I am not sure cleveland is really in that mix though.

Then of course miami, who will end up signing one or two of our young wr I imagine anyway.

I hope he stays, signs the deal, has a great camp and is a factor. I want him here and I want him to be part of a championship if this team is hopefully good enough to get that far. After what jjt said two weeks ago though I dont think it is even an option. I think his fate is sealed and he wont even make it Oxnard.

If time is the determining factor, I'm sure we'll keep him. I don't understand the hold-up, though, frankly. If Glenn's open to a split contract, then the few hundred thousand dollars that are at issue really shouldn't be a problem. I'm sure if the Joneses wanted to, they could find a way to both mitigate that limited risk and make Terry feel good about their intentions for him. Terry's a proud guy, but he respects the team and sounds willing to work with them.

This looks to me like the team is letting TG hang for some reason. As if he were their backup plan if they can't work out a trade. In any event, if Miami or the Saints or even AZ want him, I don't think the time we release him will be an issue. If any of those teams think he's healthy enough to play, he knows the offenses well enough to be a fit at the last minute. Then again, if he's healthy enough to play, we'd keep him.

 

[Stash]

I hope he stays, signs the deal, has a great camp and is a factor. I want him here and I want him to be part of a championship if this team is hopefully good enough to get that far. After what jjt said two weeks ago though I dont think it is even an option. I think his fate is sealed and he wont even make it Oxnard.

I hope so too.

That's the best-case scenario for everyone involved and it definitely makes the Cowboys a better team.

But I want no part of any stall tactics or a repeat of the waiting game everyone played last season.

 

[Velvet Jones]

Put down the 2006 highlight tapes and fast forward to the present.

Aaannd this is where you lose me. He had a season ending injury in 2007. They happen. Someone going back to 2006 to see how he may perform is less of a stretch than one claiming that since he put up 4 plays in '07, he is going to put up 4 plays in '08. This is where I tend to believe you have a, "what have you done for me lately" outlook. There is more to lose in cutting him right now than there is to wait until September.

 

[Idgit]

I hope so too.

That's the best-case scenario for everyone involved and it definitely makes the Cowboys a better team.

But I want no part of any stall tactics or a repeat of the waiting game everyone played last season.

What if the stall tactics and the waiting game resulted Glenn being here, being a factor, and being part of a championship team? Why be in such a hurry to move on when there's doesn't appear to be a better option out there for us?

 

[Stash]

It doesn't tell me anything. There's not enough data there for you to determine that's what happened. Maybe both Glenn and the team got a second opinion. Maybe the doctors changed their prognosis based off of a review of the evidence. Maybe Glenn decided to have the surgery and then changed his mind. Maybe both stories were written and the wrong one was put up in error.

I've seen numerous reports that state the team wanted him to have the microfracture surgery. Glenn decided against it. I'll go by what I've read.

But this is another example of why it doesn't bay to jump to hasty conclusions when you don't have evidence to support your hunches.

Don't see how it's 'hasty' at all when those events are over a year old. The only credible information I've seen points to the team wanting one thing and Glenn doing another. And I also know the end results (or lack thereof) of that decision.

Nobody said Jerry was happy about how last year turned out. It's not particularly relevant to the topic.

Since Jerry had final say, I think it is relevant.

There's no context here where Glenn looks like a con-artist. From reports, it's not the split contract that was a non-starter for him. It was the bait and switch on the salaries. The fact that he was willing to sign the split contract in the first place blows your notion that he doesn't believe in his knee out of the water. Unless you think he planned the whole thing and was just manufacturing an excuse not to sign the deal he agreed to in the first place. If you're that far down the conspiracy theory road, I can't help you.

Or maybe you're taking Terry Glenn's word as fact?

You seem to distrust Jerry Jones, yet trust every word that Glenn says as fact?

I'll go the other way and trust the guy that's taken great care of his players and given me no reason not to, not the waffler who wants to be cut one day and be back the next.

 

[Stash]

Aaannd this is where you lose me. He had a season ending injury in 2007. They happen. Someone going back to 2006 to see how he may perform is less of a stretch than one claiming that since he put up 4 plays in '07, he is going to put up 4 plays in '08. This is where I tend to believe you have a, "what have you done for me lately" outlook. There is more to lose in cutting him right now than there is to wait until September.

It's called 'degenerative knee condition' for a reason.

 

[links18]

I guess we still haven't gotten past the "Glenn robbed the team last year" idea. I said it before and I will say it again. If you wind up on workers' comp are you robbing somebody? He got hurt. By that time the bulk of his money had been paid. If he goes on IR or tries to play he gets the same amount of $$. What he did do was put his health at risk to try to come back and help the team make a Super Bowl run. Jerry didn't have to keep the roster spot open. He could have IR'ed him, basically forcing him to have the microfracture. But he didn't. Stop the madness! Either that or pray you never get hurt on the job, because if you do, by your own logic you will have to turn down workers comp.

 

[LeonDixson]

Yes but if Terry wanted to practice, he could easily sign the contract, and practice. you really think he's pitching a fit between 500K and 750K?

Really?

He's pitched at a fit at signing a split contract at such a low price (from the latest reports I've read)

and did we not see last year, when strahan sat around talking about he wants to retire, and all that whining, and then TC comes to an end, and here he is in uniform ready to play in Game 1.

I'm glad to know you can know exactly what Terry is doing, and that this is completely out of the question though.

The bolded quotes from you are kind of contradictory IMO. Are you saying you have read quotes from Glenn saying he would sign a split contract at a higher price? He may have said that, but I haven't seen it. I think you are just arguing for the sake of arguing, which is kind of strange anyway since my original post ONLY pointed out that he was prevented from practicing because he wouldn't sign the split contract. If you disagree with that, you are wrong.

 

[speedkilz88]

As long as he isn't passed at the Training Camp physical the team will not be liable for his contract and they won't pass him until he signs the injury waiver. So the decision won't need to be made until final rosters before the start of the season. So hopefully Glenn signs the waiver sometime during camp if he wants to play this season.

 

[joseephuss]

Sure will.

My memory isn't selective or revisionist like some people's.

Glenn is now a 'hero' becuase he went against the team's wishes and wasted an entire season doing it 'his way'?

Pfft. Please.

Glenn's motives were his own, not the team's. The team wanted him to get healthy for the long haul.

If he had done that, he'd be ready to go instead of posturing like he is now.

If he's as healthy as he claims, signing the split contract shouldn't be an issue.

Apparently it is.

I'll wait to see what happens at the start of camp.

If Glenn is still posturing, I would not hesitate to cut him immediately and move on.

The last thing I want to see is another wasted season of wasted money, wasted time, and wasted roster spots for a guy who can no longer play.

I can kind of see Glenn's point. He is already under contract. Why should he sign the split contract? I don't agree with his point, but I do understand it.

I think Glenn is in Dallas until September 2nd. Jerry already said that is the time frame to make a final decision. Glenn being part of the team right now(because he is under contract) is not going to stop the young guys from getting reps in training camp and the pre-season games. It also doesn't prevent Dallas from making any moves to bring in another receiver. I think that the only way that Glenn is gone before September 2nd is if the Cowboys pull of a big deal to get a top name receiver.

Cutting Glenn right now doesn't help the team and Glenn being on the roster right now doesn't hurt the team. All that changes after September 2nd.

Whether it happens before the 2nd or on the 2nd, Glenn will not be a Cowboy in my opinion.

 

[sago1]

I remain hopeful that Glenn will sign the split contract. The reality is that no other team will match the $1.7M he'd get with us this year. If he could even pass a physical with another team, doubt he'd get much more then minimum which is probably half what we paying him. I also believe Terry desperately wanted to come back last year and play and be a real part of this team when we won the SB. Also believe that losing the playoff game motivated him to spend the entire offseason getting ready for 08 season. Just feel that Terry's pride is really hurt by split contract offer, but he needs remember it's just business and if/when he signs the contract, he'll get the chance to show everyone how healthy he is--unless Terry shares the concern that he not healthy enough to play the whole season but just doesn't want to face it.

BTW: Some have mentioned that the Cowboys wanted him to have the microfracture so he'd be ready to go this year. Actually I thought Jerry left the decision up to Terry. Also recall that the odds weren't in his favor that he'd ever be able to play again after the microfracture surgery which requires a good 1 year to recover from & given Terry's age the odds weren't in his favor.

 

[Stash]

BTW: Some have mentioned that the Cowboys wanted him to have the microfracture so he'd be ready to go this year. Actually I thought Jerry left the decision up to Terry. Also recall that the odds weren't in his favor that he'd ever be able to play again after the microfracture surgery which requires a good 1 year to recover from & given Terry's age the odds weren't in his favor.

Here's a quote from Mickey on the Cowboys' website:

"Mickey: Sure is, as easy as it is to spend it, too. Actually we're not talking Jerry World money, but we're talking Dallas Cowboys salary cap money. What if that $1.2 million you so easily are dismissing is the difference between being able to pick up an experienced third quarterback or a linebacker to replace a missing part? This is more about potentially saving room on the salary cap than it is about raw dollars and cents. Also, let's remember the Cowboys recommended microfracture surgery last year to Glenn but he opted to act on his own, having his own doctor scope the knee to remove the loose articular cartilage knowing this would only be a temporary solution. And he did get paid for that quite handsomely."

 

[speedkilz88]

Terry went to his own doctor in Ohio, Jerry really didn't have a say.

 

[khiladi]

The guy has a degenerative knee condition and plays the sport of football... For all intensive purposes, Terry Glenn is done.

BTW, Terry Glenn, throughout his career, has very rarely played a full season. Look it up. And this is his worst 'injury' yet...

Dallas got the play-offs without him and had their best regular season. They waited all last year for him to play and assist our offense, and what happened? Our offense did very little, even with a 'healthy' Glenn.