Last week of Terry Glenn's NFL Career?

[LeonDixson]

So lets me just go over this:

1. He wont sign
2. He cant practice
3. He is coming off injury
4. He is old
5. He hasnt really played in over a year

AND....

we are going to depend on this guy when he finally signs right before season.... not practice or anything?

Wow... whoah.... wow....

You need to read the rest of my posts in this thread and the post I was responding to with that quote. I'm not being sympathetic to Glenn, just stating a fact. I'm not sure how you are interpreting my comment.

 

[CoCo]

1. I'm as tired of wasting time with Glenn as anything else.

2. Every day this goes by unresolved is another day closer to being right back where the team was last year. Playing the 'will he or won't he?' game.

I would rather give one of the lesser name guys on the team the chance than to waste anymore time with Glenn's game.

3. I would give him a training camp ultimatum.

Either be there from Day One or we're moving on and concentrating on what we do have.

The team could then work to develop what they have and still look for alternatives without the distraction.

1. Whether a fan is tired of waiting or not has no bearing on this situation.

2. No. Where this team was last season was holding a roster spot open to see if Glenn could get back in time. There is no roster spot (ok techically our limit is about 80 I think at this point) issue until the season starts which is why Jerry said it needs no resolution until Sept 2.

3. Your training camp ultimatum is all about preparation for the season. Valid concern, and yet its certainly not the first time a rehabbing player would miss camp but be ready for the opener.

Glenn's uncertain status has absolutely no bearing on what players will be getting reps and who gets focused on. And it certainly wouldn't prevent us from acquiring WR help if it became available.

Why in your mind did Glenn try to play at all last year if this is all about $ with no real desire to play and contribute? Was that rehab just a ruse so he could bilk more $ in 2008? Wow! That is some super cynical view.

 

[Doomsday101]

I did not bother to vote all I can say is Glenn is a concern as far as his health goes but I'm pulling for him. If he can't make it then I expect others to step up

 

[LittleBoyBlue]

You need to read the rest of my posts in this thread and the post I was responding to with that quote. I'm not being sympathetic to Glenn, just stating a fact. I'm not sure how you are interpreting my comment.

Actually... I was just piggybacking your post... and add on... wasnt directed at you...

 

[LeonDixson]

Actually... I was just piggybacking your post... and add on... wasnt directed at you...

Okay, I got it now. Thanks.

 

[joseephuss]

I'm as tired of wasting time with Glenn as anything else. Every day this goes by unresolved is another day closer to being right back where the team was last year. Playing the 'will he or won't he?' game.

I would rather give one of the lesser name guys on the team the chance than to waste anymore time with Glenn's game.

I would give him a training camp ultimatum.

Either be there from Day One or we're moving on and concentrating on what we do have.

The team could then work to develop what they have and still look for alternatives without the distraction.

They will get their chance. The Glenn situation is not going to stop Hurd, Austin and Stanback from getting the reps they need. Now if Jerry keeps Glenn on the roster past Sep. 2nd, then I will be right with you. Right now and into training camp Glenn's situation will not hurt the team.

 

[Stash]

Dude. You need to get a grip on context. He talked the talk last year, and then walked the walk in terms of the treatment and rehab.

No, he did what he wanted to do last year, not what the team wanted.

Then, you take a quote from a year later, after he's feeling snubbed by the team because they agreed to a split contract and the offer came in 50k less than the number they'd agreed to, and quote an article where he says he'd basically rather be released than feel taken advantage of.

And, once again, the only person who mentioned a 'low-ball' offer is Glenn. And the fact is that the Cowboys went above the initial offer. But that somehow still isn't good enough for Glenn? Tells me all I need to know about intent and motivation.

You already know he'd play for the 1.7M, so that's not worth addressing. You already know he'd play for a split contract, so there's no point arguing about that. If you can't get past the reason he's dissatisfied with the particular split contract that was put in front of him, that's fine, too. But let's not all pretend that the issue is money, because while 50k is a lot of jack, it's not anything to stage this sort of histrionics about.

I do not 'know' he'd play for a split contract. Just the opposite in fact. I know he won't sign the contract the Cowboys have offered. That's fact. If not, he'd be at the facility already or at least ready for camp next week.

The reality is, you're knee-jerking on Glenn, just like you knee-jerked earlier in the offseason on alternatives to Glenn. You like to pretend you're doing this out of some notion of efficiency and realism that you've got and that other people don't seem to possess, but the reality is, it's a reflexive condition that's not well thought out and is reactionary for all of the wrong reasons.

Sorry, it's not 'knee-jerk' to feel that the guy with a degenerative knee condition, who couldn't play last year, who couldn't and can't pass a physical, who won't sign a split contract is somehow 'ready to go' after no surgery to correct his knee problems.

You keep the 'pie-in-the-sky' dreams of miraculous recovery and 'heroic motivations'. You keep believing every line Terry Glenn feeds you about that 'ol skinflint Jerry Jones.

I'll deal with what's actually happening.

 

[Idgit]

...You keep the 'pie-in-the-sky' dreams of miraculous recovery and 'heroic motivations'. You keep believing every line Terry Glenn feeds you about that 'ol skinflint Jerry Jones.

I'll deal with what's actually happening.

Typically, when you put '' marks around something, it's best of those phrases are actual quotes of mine. I'm hopeful that TG can play this year. I believe if he can, he's better than the options available on the open market right now. That's not exactly radical.

You're the one saying you believe he's lying to the press without a shred of evidence to support the claim. That's not dealing with 'what's actually happening.'

 

[Stash]

1. Whether a fan is tired of waiting or not has no bearing on this situation.

My opinion has every bearing on what I think. And what I would do. I don't expect the team to 'follow my orders'. But it doesn't mean I can disagree with something they're doing.

2. No. Where this team was last season was holding a roster spot open to see if Glenn could get back in time. There is no roster spot (ok techically our limit is about 80 I think at this point) issue until the season starts which is why Jerry said it needs no resolution until Sept 2.

Don't forget about the cutdowns before that point. A good player who could actually help this team might be let go. Another Matt Moore anyone?

3. Your training camp ultimatum is all about preparation for the season. Valid concern, and yet its certainly not the first time a rehabbing player would miss camp but be ready for the opener.

Maybe but are those 'rehabbing players' continuing that 'rehab' after not having surgery to correct the problem?

Are they 34 years old?

Are they suffering from a degenerative knee condition which ends careers?

Find any of those, let me know.

Glenn's uncertain status has absolutely no bearing on what players will be getting reps and who gets focused on. And it certainly wouldn't prevent us from acquiring WR help if it became available.

It certainly won't if Glenn has his way and avoids practices or training camp which seems to be the plan.

Why in your mind did Glenn try to play at all last year if this is all about $ with no real desire to play and contribute? Was that rehab just a ruse so he could bilk more $ in 2008? Wow! That is some super cynical view.

Sure seems to be the case now, doesn't it?

If he's all about playing and helping the team why not sign the paper and get out there and do just that?

Sign on the dotted line, get out there and contribute, and help the team win the Super Bowl he's all about!

If he's as sure of his health and the convictions you speak of, it should be a non-issue for him.

He'll be healthy, help the team win a championship, and he'll get paid $1.7 million to do it.

Sounds like a win-win situation for everybody.

So why isn't that happening?

 

[Stash]

Typically, when you put '' marks around something, it's best of those phrases are actual quotes of mine. I'm hopeful that TG can play this year. I believe if he can, he's better than the options available on the open market right now. That's not exactly radical.

You're the one saying you believe he's lying to the press without a shred of evidence to support the claim. That's not dealing with 'what's actually happening.'

Where's the proof of the Cowboys' low-ball offer?

Other than some gutless text message from Glenn.

Do you honestly believe that Jerry Jones would pull a bait and switch over $50,000.00?

Do you honestly believe that?

A simple yes or no will do.

And even if he did, Jerry has since greatly increased that amount and Glenn still hasn't agreed to the deal.

Now what's the excuse?

Hurt feelings?

 

[Idgit]

Where's the proof of the Cowboys' low-ball offer?

Other than some gutless text message from Glenn.

Do you honestly believe that Jerry Jones would pull a bait and switch over $50,000.00?

Do you honestly believe that?

A simple yes or no will do.

And even if he did, Jerry has since greatly increased that amount and Glenn still hasn't agreed to the deal.

Now what's the excuse?

Hurt feelings?

I have no real idea what transpired beyond what's reported to the press. What I believe probably happened is that the Cowboys were talking about a contract that would split down to the league minimum in the event that TG reinjured the knee in question, and that they were using the 395k (?) number as an illustration. In point of fact, the minimum was lower ~345k and so, when they wrote the offer, they used the lower number. Glenn saw the lower number and felt bait-n-switched, and declined to sign.

That's a possible explanation that doesn't require anyone to be a liar, and it's simpler than the intrigue you're proposing, so I'll go with it until I hear something more likely.

And, since when did sending text messages become gutless? Not that I recall the low-ball info being part of a text message, but I'm wondering when they became gutless. I believe your concern for TG's health and your despair over Matt Jones' serious drug addiction has deranged you and addled your ability to evaluate the WR position properly.

 

[Stash]

I have no real idea what transpired beyond what's reported to the press. What I believe probably happened is that the Cowboys were talking about a contract that would split down to the league minimum in the event that TG reinjured the knee in question, and that they were using the 395k (?) number as an illustration. In point of fact, the minimum was lower ~345k and so, when they wrote the offer, they used the lower number. Glenn saw the lower number and felt bait-n-switched, and declined to sign.

Simple miscommunication?

Gotcha.

But you'd figure that the team could have explained to Glenn what you've just explained to me.

Problem solved. But apparently not.

That's a possible explanation that doesn't require anyone to be a liar, and it's simpler than the intrigue you're proposing, so I'll go with it until I hear something more likely.

I can't tell you what to believe any more than you can tell me.

And, since when did sending text messages become gutless? Not that I recall the low-ball info being part of a text message, but I'm wondering when they became gutless. I believe your concern for TG's health and your despair over Matt Jones' serious drug addiction has deranged you and addled your ability to evaluate the WR position properly.

One has nothing to do with the other. But I was wondering when someone would try to bring up the name Matt Jones to somehow defend Terry Glenn.

You win the desperation prize.

Jones was a possible alternative to the waiting game. Obviously his issues change that.

But it doesn't mean that I've given up searching for alternatives to playing this waiting game.

 

[Idgit]

One has nothing to do with the other. But I was wondering when someone would try to bring up the name Matt Jones to somehow defend Terry Glenn.

You win the desperation prize.

Jones was a possible alternative to the waiting game. Obviously his issues change that.

But it doesn't mean that I've given up searching for alternatives to playing this waiting game.

I've been avoiding the reference to Matt Jones mostly because I didn't see the point. I worked it in in as a light-hearted jab on a Friday afternoon. Forgive.

I didn't realize we weren't supposed to mention your most recent WR folly when discussing the present one.

To your point, like I told you when you were on the Matt Jones kick. There isn't a viable alternative to Terry Glenn getting back on the field in sight right now. You just have to be patient. Word is that he's as healthy as he's going to get, and he'll most likely play as soon as/if the contract situation is cleared up. Moving on right now solves nothing, and risks losing an opportunity to add much needed depth to one of the few thin spots we've got. It's in everyone's interest to just sit tight and see what happens.

 

[Stash]

I've been avoiding the reference to Matt Jones mostly because I didn't see the point. I worked it in in as a light-hearted jab on a Friday afternoon. Forgive.

I didn't realize we weren't supposed to mention your most recent WR folly when discussing the present one.

How is Jones' drug use my 'folly'?

If you knew about his drug use weeks ago, you should have brought it up then and saved us all some time.

To your point, like I told you when you were on the Matt Jones kick. There isn't a viable alternative to Terry Glenn getting back on the field in sight right now. You just have to be patient. Word is that he's as healthy as he's going to get, and he'll most likely play as soon as/if the contract situation is cleared up. Moving on right now solves nothing, and risks losing an opportunity to add much needed depth to one of the few thin spots we've got. It's in everyone's interest to just sit tight and see what happens.

How long would you be willing to wait?

Would you wait through all of training camp?

 

[Idgit]

How is Jones' drug use my 'folly'?

If you knew about his drug use weeks ago, you should have brought it up then and saved us all some time.



How long would you be willing to wait?

Would you wait through all of training camp?

Everybody and his brother told you there were reasons why Matt Jones didn't develop into a starter. Why he was working his way down the roster instead of up. You insisted it was that the coach didn't like him and that he had nobody to throw to him. (Almost) Everyone but you knew that he was a disappointment, the only part that wasn't known was that he was a disappointment because he has an addiction problem. When you can see the smoke, it's a good guess that there's a fire. What was news was that the fire was just Matt Jones sparkin' up.

As I've said in the other threads, I'd give Glenn a regular shot at the roster. If injuries keep him out of TC or the preseason and the coaching staff can't see enough to put him on the roster, let him go at whatever cut necessary. If he can earn his spot, let him play his way onto the team and into the starting lineup.

 

[Chocolate Lab]

I can't believe some people are so against Terry. That's just mind-boggling.

If Terry had the surgery last year, he had zero chance of playing. The way he did it, he at least had a chance. How is that being selfish, or stealing, or anything of the sort?

 

[CoCo]

1. My opinion has every bearing on what I think. And what I would do. I don't expect the team to 'follow my orders'. But it doesn't mean I can disagree with something they're doing.



2. Don't forget about the cutdowns before that point. A good player who could actually help this team might be let go. Another Matt Moore anyone?



3. Maybe but are those 'rehabbing players' continuing that 'rehab' after not having surgery to correct the problem?

Are they 34 years old?

Are they suffering from a degenerative knee condition which ends careers?

Find any of those, let me know.



4. It certainly won't if Glenn has his way and avoids practices or training camp which seems to be the plan.



5. Sure seems to be the case now, doesn't it?

6. If he's all about playing and helping the team why not sign the paper and get out there and do just that?

Sign on the dotted line, get out there and contribute, and help the team win the Super Bowl he's all about!

If he's as sure of his health and the convictions you speak of, it should be a non-issue for him.

He'll be healthy, help the team win a championship, and he'll get paid $1.7 million to do it.

Sounds like a win-win situation for everybody.

So why isn't that happening?

1. Just because you're tired of something doesn't mean its wise to act to resolve it IMO. You resolve it in the timing that is dictated by the situation. There is no tangible downside to letting this play out further at this time.

2. Matt Moore? Lets cross that bridge if and when we come to it. Right now we're talking about the 81st player on the roster, not the 54th. Jones hasn't given any indication he is willing to hold a regular season roster spot for TG in 2009. The players that will be cut on Sept 1 are the potential Matt Moores. That's a long way off.

3. Its immaterial why TG is not practicing right now. This particular point is about whether his preparation to play is being seriously compromised by sitting out. It happens all the time for a variety of reasons. A consideration? Sure. A show-stopper? No.

4. TG's plan is not to avoid TC or practice. His plan is to practice yesterday under a contract that will pay him even if he gets hurt in the line of duty. Do you think TO, Romo or Ware would be willing to sign a contract addendum today that would significantly cut their pay should they hurt a knee? Of course not. Does that mean they have no confidence in their current health? Of course not. But it does mean they know the realistic risks every player takes. TG, if his knee is sound as he claims/feels still bears that same risk but he would do so without the same protection. I understand how that could make him question (and especially during the offseason) just how much of that risk he is willing to bear.

5. No, it doesn't seem to be the case now. If TG were truly only about the money then he'd have sat those last 2 games like the other 15. But he played, because he wants to play, and he wants to play in 2009. He just wants to be protected at a level closer to what Romo, Ware & TO (or insert your own veteran player name) are being protected.

6. No player is only about playing and helping the team. Its about doing that in a manner that they feel appropriately compensated and protected. That truth is born out over and over and over in the NFL. Its called leverage and negotiations. And in the difficult ones, like this one, it can get protracted, painful, and cause some soul-searching.

There is no need to be anymore critical of TG than our 2008 draftees who are also unsigned at this point. Aren't they all about team? Shouldn't they just sign now? Or are they protecting their interests? Of course they are. Sometimes these things get stuck in the mud for a while and sometimes its for almost foolishly emotional reasons. But a cool head eventually leads to a good outcome. For now, we need to continue to wait on the TG situation.

 

[ZeroClub]

I can't believe some people are so against Terry. That's just mind-boggling.

If Terry had the surgery last year, he had zero chance of playing. The way he did it, he at least had a chance. How is that being selfish, or stealing, or anything of the sort?

Yup, I'm right with you.

 

[CoCo]

How long would you be willing to wait?

Would you wait through all of training camp?

That depends on what I would see in training camp.

If I saw definitive indications after a couple weeks that (fill in the young WR of your choice) had come of age and was ready to play a significant role I might cut ties completely with TG at that point.

If a situation unfolded where I acquired an exciting vet 3 weeks into camp, I might cut ties then.

Glenn himself might cave to the pressure tomorrow, or when camp opens, or 1, 2 or 3 weeks in. Again, this is leverage and options and we don't have all the answers yet and we don't have any downside to waiting.

That's why you wait.

 

[Stash]

Everybody and his brother told you there were reasons why Matt Jones didn't develop into a starter. Why he was working his way down the roster instead of up. You insisted it was that the coach didn't like him and that he had nobody to throw to him. (Almost) Everyone but you knew that he was a disappointment, the only part that wasn't known was that he was a disappointment because he has an addiction problem. When you can see the smoke, it's a good guess that there's a fire. What was news was that the fire was just Matt Jones sparkin' up.

Revisionist History Major huh?

As I've said in the other threads, I'd give Glenn a regular shot at the roster. If injuries keep him out of TC or the preseason and the coaching staff can't see enough to put him on the roster, let him go at whatever cut necessary. If he can earn his spot, let him play his way onto the team and into the starting lineup.

Isn't that what the team is willing to do?

If I'm not mistaken, it's Glenn who is keeping himself off the field by not signing the split contract.