Last week of Terry Glenn's NFL Career?

[Idgit]

Revisionist History Major huh?

I'm not the one who had to revise my sig a few minutes after my pet cat was caught in a van with two men and a pile of coke. My position on Jones and Glenn hasn't budged the entire offseason.

Isn't that what the team is willing to do?

If I'm not mistaken, it's Glenn who is keeping himself off the field by not signing the split contract.

See? You're mistaken so frequently, even you're losing track of the tell-tale signs. Here's the hint the rest of us use: if you've hit the 'submit reply' button recently, there's a good chance you're mistaken.

 

[Stash]

1. Just because you're tired of something doesn't mean its wise to act to resolve it IMO. You resolve it in the timing that is dictated by the situation. There is no tangible downside to letting this play out further at this time.

Tht's your opinion. Mine is that the sooner they move on, the sooner there's no chance of a repeat of 2007's wasted season on Glenn.

2. Matt Moore? Lets cross that bridge if and when we come to it. Right now we're talking about the 81st player on the roster, not the 54th. Jones hasn't given any indication he is willing to hold a regular season roster spot for TG in 2009. The players that will be cut on Sept 1 are the potential Matt Moores. That's a long way off.

Not as long as you think. The team lost Moore and they wasted an entire season waiting for a 'healthy Terry Glenn' which never happened - and frankly doesn't exist anymore.

3. Its immaterial why TG is not practicing right now. This particular point is about whether his preparation to play is being seriously compromised by sitting out. It happens all the time for a variety of reasons. A consideration? Sure. A show-stopper? No.

I think it's very 'material'. The Cowboys have made their offer. If Glenn was heatlhy like he claims, and wanted to be out there, he would be. He's not.

4. TG's plan is not to avoid TC or practice. His plan is to practice yesterday under a contract that will pay him even if he gets hurt in the line of duty. Do you think TO, Romo or Ware would be willing to sign a contract addendum today that would significantly cut their pay should they hurt a knee? Of course not. Does that mean they have no confidence in their current health? Of course not. But it does mean they know the realistic risks every player takes. TG, if his knee is sound as he claims/feels still bears that same risk but he would do so without the same protection. I understand how that could make him question (and especially during the offseason) just how much of that risk he is willing to bear.

TO, Romo, and Ware don't have degenrative knee injuries. They didn't miss and entire season and fail the exit physical and refuse to take another one this year. Apples and oranges.

5. No, it doesn't seem to be the case now. If TG were truly only about the money then he'd have sat those last 2 games like the other 15. But he played, because he wants to play, and he wants to play in 2009. He just wants to be protected at a level closer to what Romo, Ware & TO (or insert your own veteran player name) are being protected.

He played because he had to. Otherwise, the team would have finnaly put him on IR and he would have done nothing to earn a Super Bowl ring - just like when New England won theirs. And the Cowboys would have certainly been completely done with waiting for him. His token appearnace bought him more time. His health is nowhere near Romo, Ware, or Owens' so the comparison is faulty.

6. No player is only about playing and helping the team. Its about doing that in a manner that they feel appropriately compensated and protected. That truth is born out over and over and over in the NFL. Its called leverage and negotiations. And in the difficult ones, like this one, it can get protracted, painful, and cause some soul-searching.

And every player wants to keep earning that NFL paycheck as long as they can. Until the game forces them out. Even when they know they don't have it anymore. They do what's in their own best interests, not any particular team's best interests.

There is no need to be anymore critical of TG than our 2008 draftees who are also unsigned at this point. Aren't they all about team? Shouldn't they just sign now? Or are they protecting their interests? Of course they are. Sometimes these things get stuck in the mud for a while and sometimes its for almost foolishly emotional reasons. But a cool head eventually leads to a good outcome. For now, we need to continue to wait on the TG situation.

Wow!

This is just nonsense!

I can't even comment on that last part!

 

[Stash]

I'm not the one who had to revise my sig a few minutes after my pet cat was caught in a van with two men and a pile of coke. My position on Jones and Glenn hasn't budged the entire offseason.

No, you're the guy trying to play like you knew about his drug issues the whole time.

Revisionist History Major.

See? You're mistaken so frequently, even you're losing track of the tell-tale signs. Here's the hint the rest of us use: if you've hit the 'submit reply' button recently, there's a good chance you're mistaken.

So, the team is keeping Glenn off the field? To what end? To tarnish his good name? To keep their 'secret weapon' hidden for another year?

Please.

They know better than anybody the game that Glenn is playing.

They've called him on it.

And now he's stuck.

He either signs the split contract or he's done.

 

[Stash]

That depends on what I would see in training camp.

If I saw definitive indications after a couple weeks that (fill in the young WR of your choice) had come of age and was ready to play a significant role I might cut ties completely with TG at that point.

If a situation unfolded where I acquired an exciting vet 3 weeks into camp, I might cut ties then.

Glenn himself might cave to the pressure tomorrow, or when camp opens, or 1, 2 or 3 weeks in. Again, this is leverage and options and we don't have all the answers yet and we don't have any downside to waiting.

That's why you wait.

I'm willing to let him show up for camp and practice with the team.

As long as he puts his money where his mouth is and signs the split contract.

If he's as healthy as he claims, there's no valid reason not to.

If training camp starts rolling by without that happening, I then know for sure what his true intentions are and I cut him.

 

[This is Our Year]

I look at this Glenn thing like trying to get your 1st round pick signed before the first day of Training Camp. Everyone always seems to be on edge that it won't happen but they always end up signing. Glenn will be on the practice field.

 

[Stash]

I look at this Glenn thing like trying to get your 1st round pick signed before the first day of Training Camp. Everyone always seems to be on edge that it won't happen but they always end up signing. Glenn will be on the practice field.

I sure hope you're right.

 

[Idgit]

No, you're the guy trying to play like you knew about his drug issues the whole time.

Revisionist History Major.

So, the team is keeping Glenn off the field? To what end? To tarnish his good name? To keep their 'secret weapon' hidden for another year?

Please.

They know better than anybody the game that Glenn is playing.

They've called him on it.

And now he's stuck.

He either signs the split contract or he's done.

Ok. For the record, other than the vague references to a pot addiction, I did not think severe drug problems were the cause of Matt Jones not being a viable replacement for Terry Glenn. I thought it was something else.

You like living way out on a limb, I'm not the one to keep you from crawling back out there. We've got stash-shapped impact craters in the floor of the forum from the last time you took this trip, but they kind of add to the ambience of the place.

We'll see what happens with Glenn in the end. Just remember I'm saying to give him the shot and let him go if he's not healthy enough to make his usual impact. It's going to take him actually delivering on the field to make you believe he can actually deliver on the field, and maybe not even that.

For the time being, though, I'm tapping out of this tag-team match. Happy weekend, stash, and everybody else in this thread.

 

[fortdick]

"I want to play this year, and I really feel I have chance so I'm really leaning toward taking the [damaged] piece out and trying to play this year even though I'm risking the rest of my career by doing that," Glenn said Friday night. "I think that's what I'm going to do. I'm not sure, but I've played 12 years and don't have a lot of years left. I want to win now, and I think we have a chance to win now.​

"My Super Bowl chances are running out, so that's what I will probably do. But I know there's a great percentage risk that I could do that, ruin my knee, never play again and have to limp the rest of my life."​

Sound like a guy making a business decision to you?

http://myespn.go.com/blogs/hashmarks/0-3-29/Glenn-Out-For-Season-In-Dallas-.html

Yes, it does! What is he supposed to say? "I don't trust my knee enough to sign the split contract?" "I know that I am taking them for a ride, but what the heck, it's just play money!" "They are so easy to fool, like last year, I didn't even have to practice for 14 weeks and still got 5 million!"

If he won't bet on himself, why should anyone else?

 

[fortdick]

Do you really think that Glenn being here right now prevents Dallas from making a move to get another quality receiver? I don't.

If they want to make a move to get someone they will. If they can. You just can't snap your fingers and make a trade happen. You need a willing trade partner and a receiver that is both worthy of trading for and fits into the Cowboy's salary cap. At this point, that is more difficult to obtain.

If they cut Glenn right now Dallas would still have a difficult time acquiring a receiver that could help. Glenn's presence does not prevent Dallas from making a move in any way, so they are not playing the waiting game. They just may not like what they can get or can get what they like at this point.

If they cut Glenn, they would have 1.7 million reasons why they could sign another receiver.

 

[fortdick]

So lets me just go over this:

1. He wont sign
2. He cant practice
3. He is coming off injury
4. He is old
5. He hasnt really played in over a year

AND....

we are going to depend on this guy when he finally signs right before season.... not practice or anything?

Wow... whoah.... wow....

Yep, that's what they are saying. Very succinctly put YoMick.

 

[TellerMorrow34]

Won't matter if he gets cut he'll get a shot in Miami. Obviously probably not at nearly the same money but he won't have to just retire. Unless of course he decides that's what he wants to do.

 

[Stash]

Ok. For the record, other than the vague references to a pot addiction, I did not think severe drug problems were the cause of Matt Jones not being a viable replacement for Terry Glenn. I thought it was something else.

Great.

So we can stop wasting time on an unrelated subject? Good.

You like living way out on a limb, I'm not the one to keep you from crawling back out there. We've got stash-shapped impact craters in the floor of the forum from the last time you took this trip, but they kind of add to the ambience of the place.

If you think so, more power to you. You keep trying to somehow connect Matt Jones' demons to me if you feel if it helps you make your case.

We'll see what happens with Glenn in the end. Just remember I'm saying to give him the shot and let him go if he's not healthy enough to make his usual impact. It's going to take him actually delivering on the field to make you believe he can actually deliver on the field, and maybe not even that.

Actually, I'm willing to give him that chance. At the start of training camp. What I am not willing to do is to wait more than the first two weeks of camp for this posturing and stalling to end.

For the time being, though, I'm tapping out of this tag-team match. Happy weekend, stash, and everybody else in this thread.

And the same to you.

Though our opinions differ, I enjoy the dialogue and debate.

:beer2:

 

[CoCo]

I'm willing to let him show up for camp and practice with the team.

As long as he puts his money where his mouth is and signs the split contract.

If he's as healthy as he claims, there's no valid reason not to.

If training camp starts rolling by without that happening, I then know for sure what his true intentions are and I cut him.

Sounds like you're not completely out of patience if you're "willing" to wait until TC.

This much appears to be clear. If TG is to step onto the practice field at all it will be under a split contract as mandated by Jerry. When? For how much? Remains to be seen, if at all.

I suspect TG will eventually report. I also think his knee is indeed high risk. I think that is the consensus of the medical reports which are at the center of all this.

I just don't believe this year, nor last year, are primarily money grabbing motives veiled under "for the team" facades as you do.

I don't know that there can be any resolution that will change your mind about that because its obvious from your "rationales" that you are leading with your emotions rather than logic.

 

[Stash]

Sounds like you're not completely out of patience if you're "willing" to wait until TC.

This much appears to be clear. If TG is to step onto the practice field at all it will be under a split contract as mandated by Jerry. When? For how much? Remains to be seen, if at all.

I suspect TG will eventually report. I also think his knee is indeed high risk. I think that is the consensus of the medical reports which are at the center of all this.

I just don't believe this year, nor last year, are primarily money grabbing motives veiled under "for the team" facades as you do.

I don't know that there can be any resolution that will change your mind about that because its obvious from your "rationales" that you are leading with your emotions rather than logic.

He got his money early last season, there was nothing the team could have done after he had gotten injured other than put him on IR for the season.

Maybe I'm just being pessimistic, but I can't find another valid reason for him not to sign the split contract other than him fearing that his knee won't hold up - despite his claims otherwise - and him not wanting to miss out on any money.

And if he doesn't believe it, why should I?

 

[Kilyin]

Glenn is done, bye Terry.

 

[Alexander]

Jerry Jones has already said that the issue could go on until September, I believe. Where is the status quo option for the poll?

There you go.

He will go on the reserve - not reported to camp list and we won't have a tough decision to make until the week before we play Cleveland. I'd rather have him out of camp and allow us to get the younger players more looks. Having him there won't make much of a difference other than waste time. His relevancy at this stage is very questionable.

Besides, there has to be some drama for Hard Knocks. I doubt they can play out the Pacman Jones situation the entire time and Greg Ellis just doesn't have the star power.