Laufenberg: Romo not just good, but GREAT quarterback

[visionary]

Really? Jason Witten shouldn't be in the ROH? How about Demarcus Ware?

I would encourage you to read my next post after the one you quoted

 

[starsgoblue414]

07 - he screwed up, stop making excuses
08 - 1 seed beat by 6 seed, Romo throws INT in the endzone.
10 - losing 34-3 to a retired QB is a colossal fail. He owns it.
15 - losing to a one legged QB is a colossal fail. He owns it.

You don't see it because you are ROMO blind. QB's and coaches own the record they have.

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yeah ok, you realize that INT in that Giant game was on 4th and pretty long with hardly anytime on the clock. Also no mention of Crayton pulled up on his route in the end zone before hand, but lets just blame Romo for everything. Or the Crayton drop when he had open field in front of him, but yeah that's Romo fault too, sorry I forgot. ALSO like I mentioned that GIANTS DEF beat ROMO RODGERS AND BRADY. Yeah how dare Romo lose to them..
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That QB who was retiring is a silly statement. Favre played great that year, and our poor DEF gave up 34 points to a RETIRING QB ( hey but lets not mention that, that's not important ) Also our O line could not stop their pass rush all game. He was sacked 6 times and under duress the whole game. They were the underdog and on the road in a divisional playoff game, yeah what a colossal loss. Also that retiring QB went to OT the next game and lost to the team who beat Peyton Manning in the SB.
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One legged QB who happens to be Arron Rodgers - yeah he sucks, my bad. Again did our defense stop that ONE LEGGED QB when we needed to? Also you just pretend like that Dez non catch didn't happen, why mention that. It wasn't an important play or anything like that. Or even the Murray fumble earlier... yeah that was Romo fault also, im sorry...I mean COME ON people all you see is that Romo just lost to a one legged QB (who may be the best QB in the league BTW one leg or not )

The disrespect this man gets is a shame. It really is. Everything is his fault. But people never ever realize how relevant he made teams that were not that good almost every year. In Romo's last 30 games he was 21-9. Yeah he is awful, he has done nothing for this organization....

 

[JoeKing]

There isn't a facepalm emoji big enough...

 

[JoeKing]

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yeah ok, you realize that INT in that Giant game was on 4th and pretty long with hardly anytime on the clock. Also no mention of Crayton pulled up on his route in the end zone before hand, but lets just blame Romo for everything. Or the Crayton drop when he had open field in front of him, but yeah that's Romo fault too, sorry I forgot. ALSO like I mentioned that GIANTS DEF beat ROMO RODGERS AND BRADY. Yeah how dare Romo lose to them..
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That QB who was retiring is a silly statement. Favre played great that year, and our poor DEF gave up 34 points to a RETIRING QB ( hey but lets not mention that, that's not important ) Also our O line could not stop their pass rush all game. He was sacked 6 times and under duress the whole game. They were the underdog and on the road in a divisional playoff game, yeah what a colossal loss. Also that retiring QB went to OT the next game and lost to the team who beat Peyton Manning in the SB.
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One legged QB who happens to be Arron Rodgers - yeah he sucks, my bad. Again did our defense stop that ONE LEGGED QB when we needed to? Also you just pretend like that Dez non catch didn't happen, why mention that. It wasn't an important play or anything like that. Or even the Murray fumble earlier... yeah that was Romo fault also, im sorry...I mean COME ON people all you see is that Romo just lost to a one legged QB (who may be the best QB in the league BTW one leg or not )

The disrespect this man gets is a shame. It really is. Everything is his fault. But people never ever realize how relevant he made teams that were not that good almost every year. In Romo's last 30 games he was 21-9. Yeah he is awful, he has done nothing for this organization....

In that entire morass of Romo excuses you said one thing and one thing only that is right. Everything is his fault.

 

[raichledog]

I would encourage you to read my next post after the one you quoted

I'm not sure what your next post said, I didn't read through the entire 8-page thread. I just saw an ill thought out post and responded. If you qualified your statement later and I missed it, I apologize. Saying that winning a SB is the primary qualifier for the ROH is just silly. The guy is the franchise leader in yards and td passes and was the best player on the team for a decade. I'd say that qualifies for immediate inclusion in the ROH.

 

[raichledog]

Lol at you thinking Troy "got lucky"
I take Troy over Romo in a heart beat

Truly great players play their best when the chips are down
Romo never even took the team to a NFCCG let alone the SB

That is how QBs greatness is and should be judged

Romo is good not great

I love Troy, and he is a hall of farmer for good reason, but it is silly to ignore the fact that he played with one of the 2-3 most talented teams in the history of the NFL. He was NEVER the best player on the team or even the offense. You could argue that there were 3-4 players better than him on the offense alone.

This is not taking away from his individual talent or accomplishments, just telling the truth.

 

[gimmesix]

Well that means Dak is just good not great.
He started just like romo, 13-3 and one and done in div round.

Yes, it was definitely not a great season for him or one of the best all time for a rookie QB because of that.

 

[tyke1doe]

ALSO like I mentioned that GIANTS DEF beat ROMO RODGERS AND BRADY. Yeah how dare Romo lose to them..

I believe Favre was the quarterback during the 2007 season when the Giants beat the Packers in Green Bay. I think Favre threw one of his typical interceptions, and that in overtime, if memory serves me correctly.

Anyway, carry on.

 

[gimmesix]

He is underrated, but he's not getting in the Hall of Fame, even with time. What's working against him?

1. Cowboys quarterback legacy. Unfortunately for Romo, when people think of Cowboys quarterbacks, they historically think of Roger Staubach and Troy Aikman, and that's because they won Super Bowls. We're not talking about Archie Manning with the Saints, a team without the rich history as the Cowboys that you judge based on a single player's rise to stardom. You're talking about the star-studded, accomplishment-driven, Super-Bowl-winning Dallas Cowboys. Maybe if Romo played for the Cleveland Browns and amassed the stats that he did without a ring, he'd be a HoF consideration. But not with the Cowboys.

2. His quarterback contemporaries. Historically, Romo will be judged by his contemporaries: Tom Brady, Eli Manning, Drew Brees, Ben Roethlisburger, Peyton Manning, Aaron Rodgers. What do those guys have that Tony doesn't. Super Bowl rings and/or League MVPs. Those are a lot of quarterbacks to nominate for the HoF from the generation that includes Romo. Sorry, but stacked up to those guys, even if he has the stats, Romo's not getting in.

3. Dak Prescott. If Dak wins a Super Bowl with in the five-year window between Romo's retirement and his eligibility to be nominated for the HoF, he's not getting in. Romo will get compared not only to his contemporaries but his successor.

4. National image. Unfortunately, for all the good Romo has done for the Cowboys, he still is remember as the guy who bobbled the snap against Seattle and threw an interception on the last play of the game when the Cowboys had the No. 1 seed against the Giants. If he never gets a chance to win a Super Bowl and make an outstanding play that contributes to the victory, that, sadly, is how he's going to be remember. And perceptions are hard to break.

In short, I hope he gets in, but based on the points above, Romo is going to have to buy a ticket (or win a Super Bowl with another team) if he wants to gain entry into the Pro Football Hall of Fame.

I agree that his chances depend on what he does from here. If he can go to the Texans or Broncos and lead them to the Super Bowl, then I think he will have proven what kind of quarterback he is and that will be taken into account. Unfortunately for him, I don't know if his health is going to cooperate.

 

[starsgoblue414]

In that entire morass of Romo excuses you said one thing and one thing only that is right. Everything is his fault.

uh huh

 

[DFWJC]

I think if you consistently put a contending team out there year after year, most really good QBs (and some not so good ones) will eventually get their ring. Dallas did not do that at all in the Romo era...imo. 4 winning teams, no losing teams, 3 .500 teams. (and those teams were terrible and why he got so banged up). I think he carried those teams. jmo

If Romo started out in 2014 and had those types of teams for then next 10 years...well, he would break through 1-2 times minimum. And a 2014 type team with a better defense...and multiple rings would have been a lock.
That's why I like Dak's odds.

But it didn't work out that way. Maybe the team in 2007 (1st full year as a starter) was picked by some to win the NFC, but he's never been on a team otherwise that was favored, or even close to favored to win it all. The Pats were the clear favorite that year.
Probably the dumbest thing I've heard in this thread is someone saying that marginal team in 2011 should have gone to the freaking SB. Come on. lol

It's a shame. Even in the playoff loses, 3 of the 4 went down to almost the very last play. Inches this way or that and 2-4 is 5-1. He only has one true in tin his 6 playoff games (vs 8 TDs).
But he makes no excuses and is quick to say that postseason is huge when it comes to legacy.

 

[starsgoblue414]

I believe Favre was the quarterback during the 2007 season when the Giants beat the Packers in Green Bay. I think Favre threw one of his typical interceptions, and that in overtime, if memory serves me correctly.

Anyway, carry on.

You are correct sir, my bad, I knew it was Favre but I had Rodgers on my mind thinking of the Packer Cowboy playoff game. .

 

[tyke1doe]

You are correct sir, my bad, I knew it was Favre but I had Rodgers on my mind thinking of the Packer Cowboy playoff game. .

No problem. Innocent mistake. I think your point still stands.

 

[sean10mm]

Some real football schizophrenia at work here. Cowboys fans have been complaining about the coaching and personnel decisions non-stop since Jimmy Johnson left in the mid 1990s... yet they turn around and blame the lack of Super Bowls on someone who is responsible for none of those things.

Quarterbacks aren't magical win generators. Their job is to produce offense while limiting turnovers. I get that fans care more about wins than stats, but stats are how you measure that someone did their individual job. And the same stats that will be used to bolster the Hall of Fame cases for Peyton Manning and Tom Brady say that Romo is very good. There is no magic trick where Romo puts up high efficiency numbers while secretly being bad unless we're going to start appealing to the luminiferous aether or the four humours of ancient medicine or some voodoo crap like that to explain things.

Aikman and Staubach played on historically great rosters with elite coaching, and most of their seasons didn't end in Super Bowl wins. Take away those things, and how much do they win? We don't know because it didn't happen, but are we going to turn around and say, I dunno, that Tom Landry and the Doomsday Defense and developing the modern 4-3 and the modern pro shotgun offense and all the other Hall of Famers Staubach played with didn't matter? Because that's the logic that's used in reverse to bury Romo.

Romo's crime is not literally being one of the greatest ever to play the game. I'll agree it's true, but if that's your standard for burying a guy then you should probably just stop watching football.

 

[Ring Leader]

In that entire morass of Romo excuses you said one thing and one thing only that is right. Everything is his fault.

You attempting to dethrone our resident king idiot irrational Romo hater?

 

[Preoccupied]

Yes he is was great....I will miss him......(could be around next year as the rumour mill goes) but equally will hold dak as our future to take us forward .

 

[Clove]

 

[visionary]

I love Troy, and he is a hall of farmer for good reason, but it is silly to ignore the fact that he played with one of the 2-3 most talented teams in the history of the NFL. He was NEVER the best player on the team or even the offense. You could argue that there were 3-4 players better than him on the offense alone.

This is not taking away from his individual talent or accomplishments, just telling the truth.

And exactly how do you know that team was not "one if the best in history" because of Troy?

Have you heard Irvin talk about Aikman and how accurate he was?

I've heard football people say that Emmitt was not that great but was made by the great OL

No one says that Irvin was one of the best WRs in history. In fact he was not a lock for the HOF

Who are all those HOFs from that defense?

Romo played with a future HOF TE, a future HOF DE, DeMarco broke emmitts record as a RB and played behind s great OL and exactly how far did he take us?

Way to try and minimize the accomplishments of a great QB

 

[JoeKing]

You attempting to dethrone our resident king idiot irrational Romo hater?

I'm not a Romo hater. I just don't worship at the house of Romo like most of you homers do. Outside of Cowboys Nation, you'll find very few that say Romo is great and fewer saying he's Ring of Honor great and even fewer saying he is Hall of Fame great. You homers live in the Rome love forest so I don't blame you for thinking the way you do, but you need to know there is a bigger world outside that forest that see's Romo for what he actually is... a good, not great QB.

 

[DFWJC]

And exactly how do you know that team was not "one if the best in history" because of Troy?

Have you heard Irvin talk about Aikman and how accurate he was?

I've heard football people say that Emmitt was not that great but was made by the great OL

No one says that Irvin was one of the best WRs in history. In fact he was not a lock for the HOF

Who are all those HOFs from that defense?

Romo played with a future HOF TE, a future HOF DE, DeMarco broke emmitts record as a RB and played behind s great OL and exactly how far did he take us?

Way to try and minimize the accomplishments of a great QB

yep
They'd go 2-3 practices in a row with ball never hitting the ground, supposedly.
Dude was a robot.

you'll not hear me put Tony ahead of Staubach or Aikman.

Some would be surprised to know that Romo threw less ints their either of them. But the rules favored QBs more for Tony and they favor them even more now than just 3 years ago. The whole middle of the field is more accessible now, so it's easier.