Laufenberg: Romo not just good, but GREAT quarterback

[Eddie]

Romo > Aikman. Troy just happened to get lucky playing on a vastly better team in a different era of the NFL

Worst comment of the decade. Argument lost instantly !!!

 

[DFWJC]

What team did Romo ever QB that SHOULD have won the Super Bowl?

Other than the 2007 home loss to the eventual SB champ, they were underdogs in all of their playoff losses. And that was before even getting to the NFC title game...where they would have again been underdogs.

 

[gimmesix]

So you are going to draw a conclusion about the greatness of two QBs using the same playoff standard when one QB has played one year and the other QB who has played over 10 years. Yeah that makes sense?????

And Romo carries no responsibility for the playoff losses because it is a team game but he mysteriously is the sole reason why those same teams were 8-8 or 10-6 when they should have really been 3-13.

This place continues to amaze me in so many ways. Actually pretty funny stuff from so-called adults.

No, I'm saying it would be unfair to judge what Dak did his rookie year based on the fact that THE TEAM couldn't win a playoff game. Just as it is unfair to judge Romo based on THE TEAM'S failures.

It would be equally irresponsible to say that Dak was the reason we went 13-3, but anyone can easily see he played a major role in any success Dallas had, just as Romo has.

If you can see that our defense bears the bulk of the responsibility for our playoff loss to Green Bay and it should not be placed on Dak's shoulders, then you should be able to see the reason for our inability to reach the Super Bowl under Romo ... unless you are using a double standard.

Some of us like to look at why we really lost instead of placing the blame where it doesn't belong.

 

[pete026]

I clearly said Romo had a hand in some losses, but you have yet to come up with any instances. So you're point hasn't been made. Anyone with any football knowledge, can take a specific play and say yeah, that was the reason we lost, I asked you to explain some.

I clearly said Romo had a hand in some losses, but you have yet to come up with any instances. So you're point hasn't been made. Anyone with any football knowledge, can take a specific play and say yeah, that was the reason we lost, I asked you to explain some.

I thought we were speaking English but I guess not. My first point was people comparing the Dallas/Romo playoff career to the Dallas/Dak single season playoff career and holding them to the same standard.

My second point was the claim that all of the Cowboys success during Romo's career is strictly a result of Romo and any failures are cause of the GM/Coaches/RB/WR/OL/Defense/Snakebites/Russians etc. but never Romo's except for one fumble early in his career and then they claim he should have never been taking kick snaps even though he had been taking them his whole career at Dallas at that point. It just gets humorous to the length some will go. So no I won't answer your question because it had nothing to do with my original points. It was simply a poor attempt at misdirection.

 

[Dre11]

I thought we were speaking English but I guess not. My first point was people comparing the Dallas/Romo playoff career to the Dallas/Dak single season playoff career and holding them to the same standard.

My second point was the claim that all of the Cowboys success during Romo's career is strictly a result of Romo and any failures are cause of the GM/Coaches/RB/WR/OL/Defense/Snakebites/Russians etc. but never Romo's except for one fumble early in his career and then they claim he should have never been taking kick snaps even though he had been taking them his whole career at Dallas at that point. It just gets humorous to the length some will go. So no I won't answer your question because it had nothing to do with my original points. It was simply a poor attempt at misdirection.

You won't answer because you have no answer. It absolutely has everything to do with what your second point. I haven't seen anybody say all the success was Romo and Romo only. It seems you can't understand that in the playoffs the level of play increases and it takes a complete team effort to win at that level. Anybody with any knowledge of football would know that. So to say "Romo" hasn't won a Super Bowl or had playoff success is absurd.

To your 1st point, they are comparable in the way they played out, when the level increased, the TEAM's shortcomings were magnified. Had nothing to do With Dak.

 

[starsgoblue414]

What team did Romo ever QB that SHOULD have won the Super Bowl?

Other than the 2007 home loss to the eventual SB champ, they were underdogs in all of their playoff losses. And that was before even getting to the NFC title game...where they would have again been underdogs.

Oh no, didn't you know they were "ALL COLOSSAL LOSSES" to a certain someone on this board.

 

[raichledog]

And exactly how do you know that team was not "one if the best in history" because of Troy?

Have you heard Irvin talk about Aikman and how accurate he was?

I've heard football people say that Emmitt was not that great but was made by the great OL

No one says that Irvin was one of the best WRs in history. In fact he was not a lock for the HOF

Who are all those HOFs from that defense?

Romo played with a future HOF TE, a future HOF DE, DeMarco broke emmitts record as a RB and played behind s great OL and exactly how far did he take us?

Way to try and minimize the accomplishments of a great QB

I'm taking nothing away from him. I said he was in the HOF for good reason. Calling someone a Hall of Famer is not exactly minimizing their career. I said he wasn't the best player on the offense, and you could argue that there were several better.

1- Emmitt was INARGUABLY the better player and his stats stand against any player that has ever played in the NFL. He was remarkably efficient, remarkably durable, and excelled in every aspect of the game.

2- Michael Irvin was the heart and soul of those teams. He was the unquestioned emotional leader and was incredibly productive. In the pantheon of greatest WR's ever, he is a lot closer to the GOAT than Troy was in the QB debate.

3- You could make the argument that several members of the OL on those teams were better at their positions than Troy was at his.

Regarding the defense, there are so many great players from those teams it isn't even funny. Charles Haley (HOF), Deion Sanders (HOF) Darren Woodson (potential HOF) Russel Maryland, Leon Lett, Ken Norton, Kevin Smith, Tony Tolbert... all better than anyone we run out there now or at any time over the last 10 years (except Sean Lee).

The teams that Romo played with were not even in the same category as the ones Troy did. Was Troy important to those teams? Absolutely, without question. As I said, he is a HOFer for a reason. But the talent around him was so far beyond the teams we have had at any time since it is laughable.

 

[rambo2]

4 playoff runs and 0 SBs is 0-4, pardon your faux ignorance. You know what I am saying.

Not very christian of you.

 

[pete026]

You won't answer because you have no answer. It absolutely has everything to do with what your second point. I haven't seen anybody say all the success was Romo and Romo only. It seems you can't understand that in the playoffs the level of play increases and it takes a complete team effort to win at that level. Anybody with any knowledge of football would know that. So to say "Romo" hasn't won a Super Bowl or had playoff success is absurd.

To your 1st point, they are comparable in the way they played out, when the level increased, the TEAM's shortcomings were magnified. Had nothing to do With Dak.

Well there are 2 possibilities:

Your number of posts are an indication of your experience/knowledge of posters on this forum or lack thereof. Nothing wrong with that.

Or you are a typical Romo homer that cannot maintain any subjectivity in your thoughts about the subject.

You asking me to defend/answer a position I have never even taken suggests the 2nd option.

 

[Animosity]

Romo's stats line up well with Ryan.

Ryans played in a Super Bowl, which is why he is ahead of Romo.

 

[Dre11]

So now you're claiming that isn't your position? Yet you're crying about people you say give Romo all the credit for wins, and no blame for losses. What playoff losses you want them to blame him for? What are some of the reasons he should be blamed. I've been reading this form for years, just because I havent posted,doesn't mean I don't know what goes on in here.

 

[JoeKing]

Not very christian of you.

Childish

 

[pete026]

So now you're claiming that isn't your position? Yet you're crying about people you say give Romo all the credit for wins, and no blame for losses. What playoff losses you want them to blame him for? What are some of the reasons he should be blamed. I've been reading this form for years, just because I havent posted,doesn't mean I don't know what goes on in here.

So I was correct. It was the 2nd.

I don't only blame Romo for the playoff losses but I don't absolve him completely either. Where did you get the idea I did? Hint: go back and read my posts under the absurd thought process that I understand the "team game".

And to further make my point; blame for a loss isn't only a result of poor play especially in the playoffs..... leaders of a team can receive blame for a loss because they didn't step up their game under playoff pressure. A important point lost on many here.

 

[Gator88]

And if we're talking quarterback play, the special team holder play has nothing do with him as a quarterback. In fact, as a QB, he led them down the field for the go ahead points.
I wonder if any starting QB has ever had to hold for a FG since then in the NFL.

Have to admit, the guy has been snakebit.

Not to mention Seattle gave a ball which wasnt fit to be used causing a rule change the very next year taking control of the kicking balls away from the home team. Romo's certainly been exceptionally unlucky throughout his career.

 

[Ring Leader]

Ryans played in a Super Bowl, which is why he is ahead of Romo.

Your logic, therefore, absolutely demands the conclusion that Trent Dilfer is superior to Marino.

 

[rpntex]

Romo fumbled the snap in Seattle. Romo threw the interception in the endzone that cause us to lose to the Giants. Those playoff loses were directly because of Romo. Your revisionist history is laughable.

You need to go back and look at those 2 games again.

Parcells lost that game against Seattle by taking the air out of the ball. He went ultra-conservative with the game plan, even though Seattle had two "street" free agents starting in the secondary. Had he allowed his OC to open things up just a bit, Dallas wins by double digits. Instead, he put Dallas in position to have to play catchup.

Romo had a good game against the Giants in '07. That INT. you reference was a "Hail Mary", where the down, distance, no time remaining dictated that the Cowboys take a shot into the end zone. Go watch the highlight. The Giants had SEVEN defenders between the 5 yard line and the back of the end zone. You're right-Dallas should have won that game, but didn't lose due to Romo. If any the NYG, blame JG/Wade for exhausting Marion Barber in the first half. The running game couldn't sustain anything in the 2nd half.

 

[DFWJC]

Your logic, therefore, absolutely demands the conclusion that Trent Dilfer is superior to Marino.

Youre arguing with maybe the very worst Romo hater out there.
Logic is beyond him. I only have two people on ignore--gimme and ufc--both are very similar to him...like arguing with a 3rd grader and a total waste of time.
My CBZ experience has improved greatly since then!
Probably should ignore this bozo too.

I have no issue with normal disagreement on Romo or other topics. But this guy gets too nasty...just childish.

 

[PJTHEDOORS]

Ryans played in a Super Bowl, which is why he is ahead of Romo.

I am talking about the regular season. Romo's regular season stats match up very well with Ryans.

 

[erod]

You don't like the message so you attack the messenger? That's not very Christian of you. Furthermore, it's you that is doing the crying, lol. Get a grip of your emotions and understand we all have various opinions on this board and we will not always agree on everything. Throwing pejoratives out at those you disagree with is no way to defend your opinions or dispel others in a civil society.

Lol. Skip Bayless has an opinion. Stevie Wonder has an opinion. Oprah probably has an opinion on this. There's where your opinion validity lies.

 

[Animosity]

Not to mention Seattle gave a ball which wasnt fit to be used causing a rule change the very next year taking control of the kicking balls away from the home team. Romo's certainly been exceptionally unlucky throughout his career.

Ryan was a huge reason why the Falcons made the Super Bowl. Trent was just along for the ride. Its not hard to understand this.

Let me say this again:

Ryan is ahead of Romo because he was in the Super Bowl and was a huge reason (many would argue he was the main reason) why ATL played in it.

I am talking about the regular season. Romo's regular season stats match up very well with Ryans.

I would hope so, considering Romos been in the league longer than him.

Forget the fact that Matt Ryan played in the Super Bowl and has more playoff wins in less time than Romo,

when was Romo ever the MVP of the league? His best year was in 2014, and he was just a game manager that year. Never MVP, never had the season Matt Ryan had this past season, less playoff wins, no championship appearances, SB appearances.. you got to be out of your mind if you think Romo is on Matt Ryans level.