League Sources: Asking Price For Roy Williams(Detroit)...

[Woods]

I'd rather have Roy and draft a corner than have Asante and have to draft a receiver. This is a much much stronger corner class than receiver class.

I think so as well.

It just seems that the WR you draft in Round 1 or 2, for example, could be had in Round 4 (in terms of clustering).

There just doesn't seem to be as much differentiation as in previous years at the WR position.

It is going to be difficult to get a R Williams talent at 28 this year. Probably not at 22, either.

 

[Clove]

Let's give them our 28 Fasano and Ayodele, they can give us Roy and the big NT.

I can dream can't I?

 

[Woods]

I really do wonder what JJ is thinking about improving the WR position.

It's just too bad that Glenn's health is problematic. We'd have to draft a WR to groom nevertheless, given Glenn's and TO's age, but right now we could use someone with experience from Day 1 to take the double coverage off TO (or atleast make them pay more for doubling TO).

In FA, the names are pretty grim for the most part. And unless we swing a deal for Williams, guys like J Walker don't really do much for me.

And I'm wondering if Berrien re-signs with the Bears, who really worthwhile is left in FA? Guys like Stallworth are o.k., but no great shakes.

 

[TellerMorrow34]

I haven't heard any rumors of a team offering a high Round 1 pick for R Williams.

I'm just going by the post earlier that said Tampa, Jacksonville, Tennesse, and New Orleans were also interested. 3 of those teams, at least, could potentially offer a higher pick than we could at 28. I'm not saying they have, or would, but it's possible. So I don't know that it's as simple as saying let me give you 28 and it will get done. I'm not saying anyone is saying that, either, I'm just wondering if our 28 will get it done, if it's true in the first place.

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

If I am going to give up a first for a WR I want it to be a sure thing. RW is not a sure thing. 1 out of 4 seasons has he put up numbers that merit a 1st and that 1 wasnt last year.

If someone wnats to pay that cost. let them.

 

[Alexander]

If I am going to give up a first for a WR I want it to be a sure thing. RW is not a sure thing.

Who is a sure thing?

It certainly isn't any WR in this draft, that much is pretty certain.

 

[TellerMorrow34]

Who is a sure thing?

It certainly isn't any WR in this draft, that much is pretty certain.

I would most certainly agree with that. Roy has to be a more 'sure' thing, if there is such a thing, than any of the WR's in this draft. There are a few I really like but even they are not really necassarily the most comfortable WR's you'd like to draft.

 

[TellerMorrow34]

I'd rather have Roy and draft a corner than have Asante and have to draft a receiver. This is a much much stronger corner class than receiver class.

I agree with this as well. CB does seem to be quite a bit deeper than WR this season.

 

[Clove]

If I am going to give up a first for a WR I want it to be a sure thing. RW is not a sure thing. 1 out of 4 seasons has he put up numbers that merit a 1st and that 1 wasnt last year.

If someone wnats to pay that cost. let them.

Drafting one is definitely not a sure thing.

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

Who is a sure thing?

It certainly isn't any WR in this draft, that much is pretty certain.

You also have the issue of cost. RW is going to be seeking an extension and economically a 1st has tremendous value outside of the top 10.

History has shown that RW will miss time on a yearly basis. That pretty much is s sure thing just like it is with Henry.

 

[Bob Sacamano]

I really do wonder what JJ is thinking about improving the WR position.

it's probably pretty high on his to-do list

he said he wants to surround Romo w/ more weapons, we don't have a #2, and TO is nearing the end of his deal, and it's up in the air if he is going to get a new contract

 

[Alexander]

I have read that it is a second round choice and the teams in the running are Jacksonville, Tennessee, Tampa Bay and New Orleans.

 

[Stash]

This is where my problem would be. Tampa, New Orleans and Tennesse could all offer higher picks than 28 and that would pretty much push us completely out of the conversation.

I would factor in Williams having to agree to an extension before any deal gets done.

That's where the Cowboys - like they did with Zach Thomas - could have a huge advantage.

 

[Stash]

You also have the issue of cost. RW is going to be seeking an extension and economically a 1st has tremendous value outside of the top 10.

History has shown that RW will miss time on a yearly basis. That pretty much is s sure thing just like it is with Henry.

9 missed games out of 64 isn't a deal-breaker for me.

I think he's certainly more of a 'sure-thing' than any receiver in this year's draft.

And I think getting free of Detroit could make him an even better player.

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

And lets actually attempt to assess the risk.

About 55% of the WR drafted in the last 15 years have been good picks. Taht means they lsted at least 5 years and had at least 50 receptions per season.
RW passes this metric FWIW. He averaged 61 catches per season.

Now last years 28 pick Joe Staley got a 5 year deal worth $8 milliion so thats $1.6 mill per season for 5 years.

How much do you think RW is going to ask for? Well Bennett got $5 million per last season and I think that would be a good place to start.

So do you take 1/4 the cost to get a better than 50% chance on getting the same production or do you want to play the "Will Roy be health?" game for $6million per season?

This is even before you consider wha the scouting department says and what not this just for an average NFL club.

Isay no way in hell.

Now a second where the odds of successs drop dramatically then sure.

 

[theogt]

If I am going to give up a first for a WR I want it to be a sure thing. RW is not a sure thing. 1 out of 4 seasons has he put up numbers that merit a 1st and that 1 wasnt last year.

If someone wnats to pay that cost. let them.

How many WRs drafted since 2000 have had better production over their first 4 years?

 

[DR.WARE]

give the lions the 28 and draft a corner with the 22 and the cowboys would be set

 

[Woods]

I have read that it is a second round choice and the teams in the running are Jacksonville, Tennessee, Tampa Bay and New Orleans.

I hope we are also involved in the running . . . . especially for a 2nd round pick. And we can always offer a player or another pick later on or from 2009.

 

[Stash]

And lets actually attempt to assess the risk.

About 55% of the WR drafted in the last 15 years have been good picks. Taht means they lsted at least 5 years and had at least 50 receptions per season.
RW passes this metric FWIW. He averaged 61 catches per season.

Now last years 28 pick Joe Staley got a 5 year deal worth $8 milliion so thats $1.6 mill per season for 5 years.

How much do you think RW is going to ask for? Well Bennett got $5 million per last season and I think that would be a good place to start.

So do you take 1/4 the cost to get a better than 50% chance on getting the same production or do you want to play the "Will Roy be health?" game for $6million per season?

This is even before you consider wha the scouting department says and what not this just for an average NFL club.

Isay no way in hell.

Now a second where the odds of successs drop dramatically then sure.

Again, 9 games out of 64 doesn't scare me away.

And in my opinion, you get what you pay for in this league.

The #28 pick is 4 spots away from being a 2nd rounder. Would that really be a deal-breaker for you?

Glenn is done and Owens probably has two great years left. I would rather acquire a proven receiver now than take my chances elsewhere.

A bird in the hand.....

 

[Angus]

Very incisive post, Fuzzy. A needed analysis.