Let's get this Jerry thing right out in the open

[Royal Laegotti]

I would, but in order for me to have an educated discussion with someone, that someone first has to be educated himself...

Unfortunately, your rep on this (and every other Cowboys board I've seen you haunt) does not support the theory that you are indeed educated...

IOW, you are now being victimized by the reputation you've given yourself...

You mean the Yes Man Fan class that Jerry teaches every off-season right before tickets go on sale, I see you haven't missed a single class.

 

[silverbear]

Then WHY did all those blunders that STSINAZ mentioned is his orig. post happen after Jimmy left

Jerry gambled to get 3 Super Bowl rings, then the salary cap caught up with him... it might not have, but they CHANGED THE RULES of free agency on him...

The fact you don't realize this just reveals that you're as clueless as STSINAZ is...

Which I already knew, of course...

 

[Royal Laegotti]

Jerry gambled to get 3 Super Bowl rings, then the salary cap caught up with him... it might not have, but they CHANGED THE RULES of free agency on him...

The fact you don't realize this just reveals that you're as clueless as STSINAZ is...

Which I already knew, of course...

I find it funny that Jerry, who was instrumental in creating the salary cap, couldn't figure it out enough, only to let it catch up to him.:laugh2:

 

[silverbear]

Perhaps the ole Jimster didn't have the same power in Miami that Jerry smartly let him have in Dallas,

Oh, do tell us ALL about the extent of the power Jimmy had in Dallas, then compare and contrast it to the power he had in Miami...

Then, contemplate how giving first Jimmy and then later Parcells extensive power was the act of a GOOD GM...

Did Switzer DESERVE the same power, the same control, that Jimmy and Bill had?? Did Gailey?? Did Campo??

Go read my other post on this thread and let this amazing thing called logic seep into your skull, then maybe you'll GET IT,

All we'd "get" if we followed your logic is stupid...

I think you scalped yourself too close onetime there braindeadchild.

Anticipate getting an infraction for that ever-so-juvenile insult... keep it up, and you'll rack up enough infractions that we won't have to hear from you for a while...

 

[bbgun]

I find it funny that Jerry, who was instrumental in creating the salary cap, couldn't figure it out enough, only to let it catch up to him.:laugh2:

Indeed. Funny how the Patriots constructed their little dynasty in the salary cap/FA era yet it brought Jerry to his knees. The cap accelerated the demise of the early '90s glory days, but it doesn't explain the recent futility.

 

[silverbear]

He's already pretty much destroyed the franchise, but for some strange reason I still have some hope left that maybe Jerry will get sick of this team being stuck in a medeocre mud hole and change his ways.

If you were REALLY paying attention, you'd know that HE'S ALREADY CHANGED... he did it when he hired Parcells, then got out of his way... but that didn't work as well as he'd hoped, so now he has 3 choices:

1) Go back to the bad old Jerry, meddling in EVERYTHING...

2) Give Wade the same authority, the same control, that Parcells had...

3) Find a middle ground, wherein the coach has x amount of authority, and Jerry can be a bit more involved in the process...

You clearly think Bill's quitting means a return to option 1, even though you have no EVIDENCE to support this "logic"... meanwhile, I think option 3 is the most likely, and see no reason why it can't work...

 

[bbgun]

Anticipate getting an infraction for that ever-so-juvenile insult... keep it up, and you'll rack up enough infractions that we won't have to hear from you for a while...

Ha! This from the biggest cheapshot artist at CZ. Irony, much like table manners, isn't your strong suit.

 

[silverbear]

jimmy was handicapped with marino...if he could have gotten a real qb things would have been different down there

You have an excuse for Jimmy's every failing, don't you??

I guess that's what you have to do, if you're dead set on convincing folks that Jerry is the AntiChrist...

 

[bbgun]

You have an excuse for Jimmy's every failing, don't you??

I guess that's what you have to do, if you're dead set on convincing folks that Jerry is the AntiChrist...

Yeah, well there's one big problem: Jimmy's not coming back. And Jerry minus Jimmy = lost cause.

Sheep: "No! Jerry will replicate the magic with a different coach! Just wait and see!"

Drop dead.

 

[silverbear]

I just love how you blind little sheep love to bash Jimmy based on his time at Miami. You act as if he couldn't wipe his own butt without Jerry. GET A CLUE, pull your head outta Jerry's butt, do you really think we'd have 3 more SBs without the work Jimmy did,

No, I don't... at the same time, I don't think Jimmy wins even ONE Super Bowl without the PARTNERSHIP with Jerry...

And his track record after the two split up completely supports that position... when he went to Miami, they were considered legitimate Super Bowl contenders, yet he never got them there...

No, BRILLIANT was the Walker trade, the Haley trade which Jimmy orchestrated.

Jerry was every bit as instrumental, perhaps MORE instrumental, in getting those trades done as Jimmy was... but you give Jimmy ALL of the credit, and Jerry NONE of it...

Yeah, that's BRILLIANT logic...

Back to you, Gump...

 

[dwdj75]

New England has one of the best philosophies in football. The front office and coaching staff has been very consistent under owner Robert Kraft. They have a versatile 3-4 defense and a potent offense with a superb QB leading the attack.

They have stuck to it for years and their recent success has been very attractive to free agents shopping the football market. For that purpose, the players buy into it and tow the company line willingly.

I hope Dallas can find that kind of success in the near future.

It's been two years since they've been to the Superbowl, if they start to slide will you be saying the same about Kraft as you do Jones ?

 

[silverbear]

You mean the Yes Man Fan class that Jerry teaches every off-season right before tickets go on sale

No, I mean the course in Logic 101 taught at your local university... I see you've missed every one of them...

But what a BRILLIANT, incisive rebuttal you put up... I'm absolutely stunned by the savage force of your "logic"-- Jimmy did it all, Jerry didn't do jack, Jerry has NEVER done jack...

Reading that coherent analysis, it's clear that I'm dealing with a deep thinker..

 

[big dog cowboy]

He's already pretty much destroyed the franchise

I can think of 18 other teams that would have been thrilled to be in the playoffs like we were last year. Our team is on the way up not down.

 

[Royal Laegotti]

If you were REALLY paying attention, you'd know that HE'S ALREADY CHANGED... he did it when he hired Parcells, then got out of his way... but that didn't work as well as he'd hoped, so now he has 3 choices:

1) Go back to the bad old Jerry, meddling in EVERYTHING...

2) Give Wade the same authority, the same control, that Parcells had...

3) Find a middle ground, wherein the coach has x amount of authority, and Jerry can be a bit more involved in the process...

You clearly think Bill's quitting means a return to option 1, even though you have no EVIDENCE to support this "logic"... meanwhile, I think option 3 is the most likely, and see no reason why it can't work...

I believe option 1 and 3 are destined to fail, so 2 is the only reasonable option that I'd be happy with. If all of Jerry being involved is a disaster then only some of Jerry will add up to part disaster which is equally medeocrity. WHOEVER the HC is should have the same authority Jimmy had, simply because whoever the HC is, that person knows more about football than Jerry does. That's why most owners who are reasonable and know their limitations hire a competent GM or attempt to, or let the HC be the GM also.

 

[silverbear]

Ha! This from the biggest cheapshot artist at CZ. Irony, much like table manners, isn't your strong suit.

I have gotten two infractions in past months for exactly that behavior... excuse me for trying to help others avoid it...

Certain "cheap shots" are allowed in here, others are not... since running afoul of the mods, I have made more of an effort to walk up to the line, but not cross over it...

 

[silverbear]

Yeah, well there's one big problem: Jimmy's not coming back.

While that's true, I wasn't the one who brought up Jimmy versus Jerry... I merely responded to the specious logic offered...

 

[jrumann59]

So all that was holding Jimmy back in Miami was an aging QB. I think that was the only thing saving Jimmy. IIRC Miami couldn't run effectively, so Dan had to do waht Dan always did, throw.

Listen while Jerry may have some bad habits and I do not believe he is as involved as he likes to think. If you look at his draft records when he has had a good talent evaluator at coach the drafts are decent, usually 3-4 picks stick, when he has had incompetent coaches the drafts haven't been so well, look at the drafts with jimmy and Bill and compare them to Gailey, Switzer, Campo, and whomever else was here. notice a trend?

 

[Royal Laegotti]

But what a BRILLIANT, incisive rebuttal you put up... I'm absolutely stunned by the savage force of your "logic"-- Jimmy did it all, Jerry didn't do jack, Jerry has NEVER done jack...

Well if you were as smart as what you think you are.:laugh2: Then you'd know it doesn't take BRILLIANCE to see that Jimmy did it all and Jerry didn't do jack and NEVER has, and if history repeats itself he may never. So maybe you need to switch from Jerry's class to the Logic 101.

 

[silverbear]

I believe option 1 and 3 are destined to fail, so 2 is the only reasonable option that I'd be happy with.

OK, a reasonable response...

Now, do you have any evidence that Jerry is NOT giving Wade full authority?? I haven't seen any evidence one way or the other as to how the relationship between the two is going to work out... neither have you, but you're curiously ready, even eager, to believe the worst...

It's almost as if Jerry didn't change his ways radically when he hired the Tuna... you've had evidence that he's trying to change, but you refuse to believe the evidence provided by your own eyes...

 

[bbgun]

I have gotten two infractions in past months for exactly that behavior... excuse me for trying to help others avoid it...

Certain "cheap shots" are allowed in here, others are not... since running afoul of the mods, I have made more of an effort to walk up to the line, but not cross over it...

Posts dripping in condescension and questioning the intelligence of others doesn't help.

Jerry Jones: destroyer of worlds.