Let's talk about Dak's restructuring

[Qcard]

Like I said, your opinion about QB are not based on football. You’re a joke

My opinion was based in Parcells DECISION after Equal Snaps in camp to go with Quincy Carter...

No one could argue THAT Fact Then or NOW!!

Like I said....you are ill equiped to discuss QBs in the 21st Century.

You'd get Lost in a NFL Lockeroom

 

[Qcard]

Everyone knows the basis for your liking certain QB's and then you use that basis to attack others by insinuating they dislike Dak for the very reason you like him. Your card-playing days should best be used at the casino and not here.

What is my basis for liking Tony Romo until his Off-season regiment became a problem?

I won't let you play victim

 

[CowboysFaninHouston]

Not at all....Dak go out there and prove that the last 2 play-off exits,when he failed to lead the offense to a win despite having the ball with 3 minutes to go were just a double aberration.
I'd be delighted to be proved wrong. His 11.89 CAP% is still fairly high for a SB winning QB (unless you're Brady, Manning or Mahomes level)....but yes no excuses now.

one, then the narrative of 15% and its impossible to win is irrelevant. that was my point.


this is about Jerry. and his inability to put a winning team together. you want to make it about Dak. go ahead. explain the 21 years before that? and maybe two more years and Dak is gone. then what? do you think based on past 28 years, he will be able to put a team together to win anything?

your anger is focused on the wrong person. we cowboys fans have expectations that we need a QB to overcome the dysfunction that is Cowboys and put the team on their back and carry them to success. the facts are that teams have done it with lesser QBs. they could. we can't.

the blame for all of this squarely lies on Jerry. the problem is we all focus on players, because eventually they are gone and so we can at least have some hope there is going to be change. focusing on Jerry, is fruitless thus we all don't.

 

[USArmyVet]

What is my basis for liking Tony Romo until his Off-season regiment became a problem?

I won't let you play victim

Keep avoiding the obvious.

 

[tm1119]

This restructure SHOULD trigger a nearly “all-in” approach to the roster. Whether people want to hear it or not, we are tied to Dak until at least 2025. There should be desperation to win a Super Bowl in that time 3 year window. If it doesn’t happen by then the roster will have to be retooled anyway and a franchise QB will have to be found. There will be a rebuild period regardless, set up the best possible roster to win a Super Bowl and take dead cap hits in 2026 and 2027.

 

[blueblood70]

The Chiefs were smart enough to sign that deal with 2 years left on his rookie deal.
They locked him in with plenty of time to spread the money out and beat the insane QB market inflation.
Truly well done.

Mahomes owns half of Kansas City now so his salary isn't nearly his own revenue stream.
He will be able to buy an NFL team when he retires. --He's already part-owner of many KC area pro teams.

chiefs couldn't be smart with an unselfish Mahomes approving the deal. 99% of players and agents see a 10 year deal as dumb ie not smart when the cap keeps going up as does the top 5 salary's seemingly 20% a year so a 4 year deal and then you get huge new deal.. he left money on the table if you see Watson, Wilson, and Murrays deals

 

[MWH1967]

I'm not even sure why we aggervate ourselves with this stuff.

 

[Carson]

This restructure SHOULD trigger a nearly “all-in” approach to the roster. Whether people want to hear it or not, we are tied to Dak until at least 2025. There should be desperation to win a Super Bowl in that time 3 year window. If it doesn’t happen by then the roster will have to be retooled anyway and a franchise QB will have to be found. There will be a rebuild period regardless, set up the best possible roster to win a Super Bowl and take dead cap hits in 2026 and 2027.

What’s aggravating is a few moves would put us from that 10-12 win team, to contender.

Sign Wagner, Re-sign Hankins, Re-sign Wilson, Sign WR like DJ Chark.

Draft CB and LB in rounds 1 and 2

 

[CowboyoWales]

one, then the narrative of 15% and its impossible to win is irrelevant. that was my point.


this is about Jerry. and his inability to put a winning team together. you want to make it about Dak. go ahead. explain the 21 years before that? and maybe two more years and Dak is gone. then what? do you think based on past 28 years, he will be able to put a team together to win anything?

your anger is focused on the wrong person. we cowboys fans have expectations that we need a QB to overcome the dysfunction that is Cowboys and put the team on their back and carry them to success. the facts are that teams have done it with lesser QBs. they could. we
the blame for all of this squarely lies on Jerry. the problem is we all focus on players, because eventually they are gone and so we can at least have some hope there is going to be change. focusing on Jerry, is fruitless thus we all don't.

Jerry is undoubtedly a part of it....and i think last year was a reset year with a plan to go all-in in 2024. I would agree with that (even overlooking some of the ints), but there's this collapse in composure (GB, Bears though we were able to overcome it), and especially the 49ers game that bring up question marks ....THAT A TEAM CANT REALLY HAVE WHEN GOING ALL-IN.
The Rams were the last team to go successfully All-In, but they had to accept failings on Goffs part.
The problem is you want to go All-in based on the Dak question mark, I'd like a QB to show that in crucial Play-Off games he can be The Guy to lead the team and step up... Dak hasn't shown it (example 49ers '22 and '23).

 

[fivetwos]

Ummm...I am pretty sure he just got a lump sum check from the Cowboys for the amount converted.

That is how it works. You convert to bonus.. you pay bonus.

Yep that how it works. Players either never say no because it makes good sense to pocket that cash now than later, and/or it may even be built into the language of the contract as standard.

 

[john van brocklin]

To be sure we are all on the same page........the only impact of his restructuring is he gets $29M of his guaranteed $31M salary right now as opposed to having it spread out over 17 games. It did not add any additional G-money or G-years to the contract. His contract still has no G-money beyond this season. I'm 100% confident he will not play one down without G-money. So in a sense, this is a contract year for Dak because playing for new guaranteed money and years from the Cowboys ( I dare to say elsewhere) but how much???? That's the trick question......lot will depend on this season but you count him and Todd France wanting something in the range of $45-50M.

• Current contract average $40M per year
• Notice Spotrac puts his current value $43.9M ( this is probably close to what Stephen will offer unless we get to NFCCG or Super Bowl )
• Just my take, but trade or release are NOT options unless there is a wide gap between what Dak and Todd think he's worth and Stephen drawing the line on what he will pay. Some may ask how this matter.......if we somehow miss the playoff with Dak playing all 17 games, it'll be huge.

https://www.spotrac.com/nfl/dallas-cowboys/dak-prescott-19089/market-value/



https://www.spotrac.com/nfl/dallas-cowboys/dak-prescott-19089/

Thanks for all the great details.
Hard to see us swallowing a 59 million cap hit next year, so it looks like we are committed to Dak for several seasons.
For better or worse.

 

[Aerolithe_Lion]

Ummm...I am pretty sure he just got a lump sum check from the Cowboys for the amount converted.

That is how it works. You convert to bonus.. you pay bonus.

No, it’s never been like that. Occasionally it’s erroneously reported that this happens, but players and agents have come out refuting it. There is no possible contract scenario where a player does not get at least nfl minimum game checks.

 

[CowboyoWales]

Thanks for all the great details.
Hard to see us swallowing a 59 million cap hit next year, so it looks like we are committed to Dak for several seasons.
For better or worse.

Still could go with the 'prove it' element, we could save $34m as a June cut (in 2023) and can still shift CAP into the two Void years.

 

[Mannix]

Can someone please answer this for me and let me know if I'm missing something. If we were actually slick enough for once to free up needed cap space WITHOUT adding more years, WHY IN THE HELL would we be in any hurry to do so??? At least let 2023 play out!!! This is one case in which I think it's 100% worth the risk of having to pay a little more later, if it can help you avoid making a MONUMENTAL mistake now.

UPDATE: After I posted, I noticed some new ones directly above mine that better explained things. Thank you for ruining my %**%$@! weekend. I HATE THIS ORGANIZATION

 

[America's Cowboy]

If reading the details accurately, the restructure sets Dak's cap hit and dead money as follows:

2023: Cap Hit $27.38M Dead Money $89.07M

2024: Cap Hit $59.38M Dead Money $61.69M

2025: Cap Hit $36.3M Dead Money $36.3M Void Year


So in looking at the numbers, my issue with the restructure is that prior to the restructure, Dallas in essence had an 'out' in that they would have had $39M in dead money with Dak but a cap savings of around $13M.
Now, because of the restructuring, Dallas can't get out of the contract until after 2024 so if Dak performs poorly again this season, and with the enormous cap hit in 2024, they will be forced to yet again have to restructure his deal.

So, the bottom line is that it appears Dallas is stuck with Dak for at least 2 more seasons and possibly more than that.

LOOOOOL

Told y'all so.

 

[CowboyoWales]

Can someone please answer this for me and let me know if I'm missing something. If we were actually slick enough for once to free up needed cap space WITHOUT adding more years, WHY IN THE HELL would we be in any hurry to do so??? At least let 2023 play out!!! This is one case in which I think it's 100% worth the risk of having to pay a little more later, if it can help you avoid making a MONUMENTAL mistake now.

Because the big increase in CAP levels in 2024 ($30m) 2025 (over $25m) mean QB contracts are going to be astronomical.

 

[USArmyVet]

LOOOOOL

Told y'all so.

So you are happy about a fringe Top 10 QB that has failed in back-to-back playoff years against SF being stuck in Dallas for even more years? There's your Dak over Dallas fan right there for you.

 

[America's Cowboy]

So you are happy about a fringe Top 10 QB that has failed in back-to-back playoff years against SF being stuck in Dallas for even more years? There's your Dak over Dallas fan right there for you.

No. I enjoy seeing y'all being proven so wrong. Shows what little you know.

As for Dak, there are things I don't like. I do post about them once in a while, but I know he's going to be here for a while longer. No need to act out every day like you guys do. Better to look at realistic solutions.

 

[xwalker]

To be sure we are all on the same page........the only impact of his restructuring is he gets $29M of his guaranteed $31M salary right now as opposed to having it spread out over 17 games. It did not add any additional G-money or G-years to the contract. His contract still has no G-money beyond this season. I'm 100% confident he will not play one down without G-money. So in a sense, this is a contract year for Dak because playing for new guaranteed money and years from the Cowboys ( I dare to say elsewhere) but how much???? That's the trick question......lot will depend on this season but you count him and Todd France wanting something in the range of $45-50M.

• Current contract average $40M per year
• Notice Spotrac puts his current value $43.9M ( this is probably close to what Stephen will offer unless we get to NFCCG or Super Bowl )
• Just my take, but trade or release are NOT options unless there is a wide gap between what Dak and Todd think he's worth and Stephen drawing the line on what he will pay. Some may ask how this matter.......if we somehow miss the playoff with Dak playing all 17 games, it'll be huge.

https://www.spotrac.com/nfl/dallas-cowboys/dak-prescott-19089/market-value/



https://www.spotrac.com/nfl/dallas-cowboys/dak-prescott-19089/

Keep in mind that it is spread over 4 years. Two actual years and two voidable years.

Even the 2024 salary can be restructured to some extent.

Draft a QB now and get him ready for 2025.

 

[Aerolithe_Lion]

Ummm...I am pretty sure he just got a lump sum check from the Cowboys for the amount converted.

That is how it works. You convert to bonus.. you pay bonus.

I was totally wrong, thank you for correcting me. Made me look deeper into it and found a decisive answer:

On the New Heights podcast that Kelce hosts with his brother Jason, the tight end discussed the restructure. Kelce said he didn’t hesitate to say yes when his agent called him about the Chiefs’ plan because it allowed him to get money right away and gave the team cap space to use on getting better this season.

Kelce said he believes the restructuring is "a start to a move” because the team wouldn’t just give him money upfront out of kindness.