Video: Life without Dak, is that possible?

[garyo1954]

Huh? What does that have to do with anything? How did Dak Prescott inherit this amazing roster if Dallas was also paying Tony Romo max dollars in 2016? Partially his argument boils down to: if we pay Dak Prescott his money, we will not be able to put valuable pieces to the puzzle...okay...then how did we pay Romo max dollars yet put together, according to some, the most stacked roster in team history, with Romo's massive, record setting contract on the books.

I don't see your point. Romo wasn't making a massive amounts. The contract ($108 million over 6 years) itself was a record setting contract for a COWBOY, but far from being massive.

If you looked at the last link you'd see Romo never made more tha $8.5 million salary in any year. Most of his money ($48 million) was from restructures. That's more than he made in salary in 14 years ($31,170,000).

Romo made $8.5 million in 2016. There were 24 QBs in 2016 who made more through guarantees and signing bonuses. Flacco and Luck got $44,000,000, Drew Brees, got $31 mill, Tom Brady got $28 mill, Brock Osweiler got $21 mill, Tyrod Taylor and Ryan Tannehill were over $9 mill.......

Look in the right hand column and see the cash spent on QBs in 2016.....

https://overthecap.com/position/quarterback/2016/

 

[bodi]

i hope so

 

[GimmeTheBall!]

dak thinks he is the center of the cowboy universe at this point in time. he feels all the other pieces orbit around him. if he turns out not to be the qb of the future for the cowboys, it will be of his own doing. all the individual accolades aside, we were 8-8. chance favors the prepared mind. the cowboys front office needs to be prepared for the eventuality that dak isn't going to be our guy.

And this spake the oracle of the apocalypse and the calypso.

 

[GimmeTheBall!]

please don’t present him a challenge.

I’m

not

sure

I

can take

much more

Such clever mirth!

 

[jjktkk]

Stats be damned? What's your argument based on then?

Just another whinefest.

The problem with stats, is instead of stats being used as a reference to a player's overall ability, they're being overused as the end all be all. Tell how can a QB have a career year, but can't get his team to win a weak division, and beat Philly in a winner take all game? You're stats can't compute that can it? Its called the eye test. I like Dak as my QB. But Dak needs to have almost the perfect roster around him to succeed in the playoffs. Dak is very good QB, but he is not an elite QB and shouldn't be paid like one.

 

[Sevenup3000]

Dak was on a rookie deal. Zeke was on a rookie deal. Anthony brown was cheap. Beasley was still cheap. Brice butler was cheap. La'el collins and Jonathon cooper were cheap. Gregory was cheap. Need I go on?

In other words, indeed, if we do give Dak a franchise QB deal, then we can still build "a stacked roster" around Dak by drafting well and getting production out of cheap or rookie deals just like we did with Romo.

So we agree, giving Dak franchise QB money, just like giving Tony Romo franchise, record setting QB money does not preclude Dallas from building a "stacked, most talented, championship" roster around said QB.

 

[America's Cowboy]

The problem with stats, is instead of stats being used as a reference to a player's overall ability, they're being overused as the end all be all. Tell how can a QB have a career year, but can't get his team to win a weak division, and beat Philly in a winner take all game? You're stats can't compute that can it? Its called the eye test. I like Dak as my QB. But Dak needs to have almost the perfect roster around him to succeed in the playoffs. Dak is very good QB, but he is not an elite QB and shouldn't be paid like one.

Dak is off at times with his throws, but he has gotten better every year which is a big positive. As for the second Philly game, remember, Dak had a torn shoulder and fractured throwing hand index finger. Plus, he didn't practice all of that week due to those injuries, so it shouldn't be surprising that he didn't perform so good during that particular game with the playoffs on the line. His teammates didn't show up and perform so well, either, so that loss definitely should be thrown towards the whole team. The key is Dak's arrow keeps pointing up. It would be crazy to give up on him when it's obvious he's only getting better. The problem is Dak wanting top overall pay. Here is where we totally agree. The one to blame for this mess is Jerry. He paid top overall pay for Zeke and D-Law, so now Dak is demanding the same. Hope both sides work this out, because without Dak, this 2020 season will be finished before it even gets started.

 

[cern]

In other words, indeed, if we do give Dak a franchise QB deal, then we can still build "a stacked roster" around Dak by drafting well and getting production out of cheap or rookie deals just like we did with Romo.

So we agree, giving Dak franchise QB money, just like giving Tony Romo franchise, record setting QB money does not preclude Dallas from building a "stacked, most talented, championship" roster around said QB.

No, I do not agree. We might draft well. But we won't be able to sign some of our own free agents or others we'd like to sign.

 

[garyo1954]

In other words, indeed, if we do give Dak a franchise QB deal, then we can still build "a stacked roster" around Dak by drafting well and getting production out of cheap or rookie deals just like we did with Romo.

So we agree, giving Dak franchise QB money, just like giving Tony Romo franchise, record setting QB money does not preclude Dallas from building a "stacked, most talented, championship" roster around said QB.

Only way that's going to work is 1) If we want to kick the can down the road, and 2) if Dak will restructure his contract taking less now for more later.

Romo did it so we had money to get what we needed through FA.

 

[America's Cowboy]

No, I do not agree. We might draft well. But we won't be able to sign some of our own free agents or others we'd like to sign.

The Cowboys can create enough salary cap room if they restructure several current big contracts.

 

[Ranched]

The Cowboys can create enough salary cap room if they restructure several current big contracts.

....and get rid of the dead weight.

 

[garyo1954]

The Cowboys can create enough salary cap room if they restructure several current big contracts.

The question is why should they do that just to appease Dak?
Remember salary cap hell?

Just last year we saw this......(pay attention to the bold print)

"Which means that 2019 might be the last hurrah for this iteration of the Cowboys. Elliott’s obviously a big part of their hopes for the coming season—which is the very leverage that makes his potential holdout a smart strategy. The Cowboys salary cap situation will be a game of musical chairs in 2020. If Elliott can guarantee himself a seat for several seasons to come by threatening to disrupt the team’s plans, that could be his best shot to succeed at the business of football while playing the game’s most disposable position."

https://www.texasmonthly.com/the-culture/dallas-cowboys-salary-cap-ezekiel-elliott-holdout/

 

[Sevenup3000]

I don't see your point. Romo wasn't making a massive amounts. The contract ($108 million over 6 years) itself was a record setting contract for a COWBOY, but far from being massive.

If you looked at the last link you'd see Romo never made more tha $8.5 million salary in any year. Most of his money ($48 million) was from restructures. That's more than he made in salary in 14 years ($31,170,000).

Romo made $8.5 million in 2016. There were 24 QBs in 2016 who made more through guarantees and signing bonuses. Flacco and Luck got $44,000,000, Drew Brees, got $31 mill, Tom Brady got $28 mill, Brock Osweiler got $21 mill, Tyrod Taylor and Ryan Tannehill were over $9 mill.......

Look in the right hand column and see the cash spent on QBs in 2016.....

https://overthecap.com/position/quarterback/2016/

We are not going to do this are we? We are not going to sit up here acting like Romo's deal wasn't record setting NFL deal are we?

"Tony has always considered himself a Cowboy for life," Romo's agent, R.J. Gonser, told USA TODAY Sports. "Now it's a reality."

And at a high price. The wow factor with Romo's megapact — the new money averages $18 million per year — compared to an $11.25 million average salary in the previous contract is that the guaranteed portion exceeds the $52 million in guarantees that Super Bowl MVP Joe Flacco secured from the Baltimore Ravens with his six-year, $120.6 million record contract earlier this month.

https://www.usatoday.com/story/spor...ony-romo-six-year-contract-extension/2036431/

We could literally spend the next day pull old articles describing said deal as "massive."

The 2013 deal, at the time, placed Romo only behind SB MVPs Peyton Manning, Joe Flacco, and Drew Brees as far as average salary per year.



"Romo wasn't making a massive amount."

You didn't really post that did you? Imma chalk that up to a misstatement on your part...no way you really believe that.

I am not 100%, but I am fairly positive, that if the Dallas Cowboys would simply give Dak Prescott the 2020 version of Romo's 2013 contract...Dak Prescott would have zero problem executing said deal. And the Cowboys, according to many, had ZERO problem going out and surrounding Romo with piece after piece after piece...until...according to many here, in 2016, the Roster was stacked with all sort of talent everywhere....

What is good for Romo...is good for Dak Prescott. The fact is, and it is pretty undisputed, that Romo was given as top franchise QB deal in 2013...Both in structure and in length, it mirrored what Romo's peers (who had accomplished far more than Romo had) had received from their teams. And 3 year later, according to amany on this site, the Dallas Cowboys roster was loaded with talent.

So we can stop with this notion that giving the QB franchise money prevents "valuable pieces of the puzzle..." from being acquired.

 

[America's Cowboy]

The question is why should they do that just to appease Dak?
Remember salary cap hell?

Just last year we saw this......(pay attention to the bold print)

"Which means that 2019 might be the last hurrah for this iteration of the Cowboys. Elliott’s obviously a big part of their hopes for the coming season—which is the very leverage that makes his potential holdout a smart strategy. The Cowboys salary cap situation will be a game of musical chairs in 2020. If Elliott can guarantee himself a seat for several seasons to come by threatening to disrupt the team’s plans, that could be his best shot to succeed at the business of football while playing the game’s most disposable position."

https://www.texasmonthly.com/the-culture/dallas-cowboys-salary-cap-ezekiel-elliott-holdout/

(In bold^^^): The Cowboys did it for Romo, so why shouldn't they do it for Dak? Have you forgotten how hard it is for this organization to actually find a franchise QB?

 

[America's Cowboy]

We are not going to do this are we? We are not going to sit up here acting like Romo's deal wasn't record setting NFL deal are we?

"Tony has always considered himself a Cowboy for life," Romo's agent, R.J. Gonser, told USA TODAY Sports. "Now it's a reality."

And at a high price. The wow factor with Romo's megapact — the new money averages $18 million per year — compared to an $11.25 million average salary in the previous contract is that the guaranteed portion exceeds the $52 million in guarantees that Super Bowl MVP Joe Flacco secured from the Baltimore Ravens with his six-year, $120.6 million record contract earlier this month.

https://www.usatoday.com/story/spor...ony-romo-six-year-contract-extension/2036431/

We could literally spend the next day pull old articles describing said deal as "massive."

The 2013 deal, at the time, placed Romo only behind SB MVPs Peyton Manning, Joe Flacco, and Drew Brees as far as average salary per year.



"Romo wasn't making a massive amount."

You didn't really post that did you? Imma chalk that up to a misstatement on your part...no way you really believe that.

I am not 100%, but I am fairly positive, that if the Dallas Cowboys would simply give Dak Prescott the 2020 version of Romo's 2013 contract...Dak Prescott would have zero problem executing said deal. And the Cowboys, according to many, had ZERO problem going out and surrounding Romo with piece after piece after piece...until...according to many here, in 2016, the Roster was stacked with all sort of talent everywhere....

What is good for Romo...is good for Dak Prescott. The fact is, and it is pretty undisputed, that Romo was given as top franchise QB deal in 2013...Both in structure and in length, it mirrored what Romo's peers (who had accomplished far more than Romo had) had received from their teams. And 3 year later, according to amany on this site, the Dallas Cowboys roster was loaded with talent.

So we can stop with this notion that giving the QB franchise money prevents "valuable pieces of the puzzle..." from being acquired.

BOOM!!!!

 

[garyo1954]

(In bold^^^): The Cowboys did it for Romo, so why shouldn't they do it for Dak? Have you forgotten how hard it is for this organization to actually find a franchise QB?

BECAUSE 1)THEY LEARNED 2) DAK AIN'T THE QB ROMO WAS 3) ROMO RESTRUCTURED SO THE COWBOYS COULD BE ACTIVE IN FA WHICH YOU DON'T KNOW QWAK WOULD

Did you not read the article? The Cowboys are going to have all the cap tied up in 8 or 9 players.

Do you think the Cowboys are going to win anything if that happens?

 

[garyo1954]

We are not going to do this are we? We are not going to sit up here acting like Romo's deal wasn't record setting NFL deal are we?

"Tony has always considered himself a Cowboy for life," Romo's agent, R.J. Gonser, told USA TODAY Sports. "Now it's a reality."

And at a high price. The wow factor with Romo's megapact — the new money averages $18 million per year — compared to an $11.25 million average salary in the previous contract is that the guaranteed portion exceeds the $52 million in guarantees that Super Bowl MVP Joe Flacco secured from the Baltimore Ravens with his six-year, $120.6 million record contract earlier this month.

https://www.usatoday.com/story/spor...ony-romo-six-year-contract-extension/2036431/

We could literally spend the next day pull old articles describing said deal as "massive."

The 2013 deal, at the time, placed Romo only behind SB MVPs Peyton Manning, Joe Flacco, and Drew Brees as far as average salary per year.



"Romo wasn't making a massive amount."

You didn't really post that did you? Imma chalk that up to a misstatement on your part...no way you really believe that.

I am not 100%, but I am fairly positive, that if the Dallas Cowboys would simply give Dak Prescott the 2020 version of Romo's 2013 contract...Dak Prescott would have zero problem executing said deal. And the Cowboys, according to many, had ZERO problem going out and surrounding Romo with piece after piece after piece...until...according to many here, in 2016, the Roster was stacked with all sort of talent everywhere....

What is good for Romo...is good for Dak Prescott. The fact is, and it is pretty undisputed, that Romo was given as top franchise QB deal in 2013...Both in structure and in length, it mirrored what Romo's peers (who had accomplished far more than Romo had) had received from their teams. And 3 year later, according to amany on this site, the Dallas Cowboys roster was loaded with talent.

So we can stop with this notion that giving the QB franchise money prevents "valuable pieces of the puzzle..." from being acquired.

I'm not reading all that garbage. I've already shown you ROMO NEVER collected more than $8.5 million in salary in any year. If you can show any credible contract source that says otherwise, I'll revisit this mess.

FACT: I posted an article that says ROMO was receiving the largest contract in COWBOYS history. Play with your strawman elsewhere. See post # 80.

Thanks!

 

[cern]

The Cowboys can create enough salary cap room if they restructure several current big contracts.

And that is a formula for the return to cap hell that jerry once put us thru. Throwing good money after bad makes no sense.

 

[cern]

(In bold^^^): The Cowboys did it for Romo, so why shouldn't they do it for Dak? Have you forgotten how hard it is for this organization to actually find a franchise QB?

You sound like the Aggie who requested his pizza be cut into six slices instead of eight because he didn't think he could eat all eight. Slices and pies.

 

[America's Cowboy]

BECAUSE 1)THEY LEARNED 2) DAK AIN'T THE QB ROMO WAS 3) ROMO RESTRUCTURED SO THE COWBOYS COULD BE ACTIVE IN FA WHICH YOU DON'T KNOW QWAK WOULD

Did you not read the article? The Cowboys are going to have all the cap tied up in 8 or 9 players.

Do you think the Cowboys are going to win anything if that happens?

You're right about 1 thing: Dak isn't the QB Romo was. Dak is better. Jerry knows it, Stephen knows it, and new Head Coach Mike McCarthy knows it.