Linehan is the real MVP

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Garrett did not have a plan to draft olinesmen. A lot of people here are trying to revise history to make it so that Garrett was behind the revitalization of our oline. Maybe he gave some input. But I believe that it was mostly done by the scouts and Jerry finally listening to people on what was needed that really brought about the changes to the oline.

Tyron Smith was mostly Jerry. Even Frederick was Jerry's decision. I remember he traded down our pick which he used to take Frederick. As I recall, someone mentioned that Garrett looked pissed for us doing this. Jerry was criticized heavily by many people. But right now his looking more like a genius for taking Smith and Frederick. Martin fell into our laps and it was Jerry fighting his urges in selecting Johnny football. So in hindsight, Jerry should be credited more than anyone else for building this oline, not Garrett.

That draft Jerry specifically referenced in the trade down that they took Frederick in that spot because he was 'The Last Mohican' of the group of 5 OLs they'd targeted for that first round pick.

All of this splitting hairs is just guessing as to what might have happened and how credit might be spread. The fact is, we don't really know. The only thing we do know is that the team has picked three OLs in the first round here recently, where they had not done so previously in 30 years, and never in the Jerry Jones regime. To me, that says something and that something is pretty obvious: they wanted to focus significant resources on the OL. You might even say they planned it.

Or, you could pretend they didn't or that the decision was made with one or more members of the team's brain trust kicking and screaming the whole time, and it just happened to serendipitously work out. Pick your side.
 

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I'm giving Linehan the majority of the credit. He has brought something to this offense which has been missing for many years. That missing piece of the puzzle is a true playcaller. Someone who actually knows how to run an offense and create plays which utilizes the the skills and talents of the players. Garrett's style of offense was a one size fits all, cookie-cutter approach which forces our players to fit HIS system. Therefore, our offense of the past never reached its potential of being what it is now.

People are saying its because we have an oline compared to last year. However, we still had an effective running game last year but it was Garrett that never utilized it to the best of our capacity. In fact, his obsession with the pass was why we lost games - see Green Bay and Detroit game 2013. Why do you think Jerry pulled the plug from his questionable playcalling?

Thus I give credit to Linehan for coming here and making this offense tick. I highly doubt we would see this kind of performance if Garrett was calling the shots on offense.

Maybe we wouldn't see it with Garrett here at the helm. Didn't Callahan call plays last year as well? He couldn't get it done either. Linehan deserves credit. My point is, this team is playing smart disciplined football. If we were leading the league in penalties do you think LInehan would still have this same success or we'd be 3-1? Because at the MINIMUM we would've lost the Rams game if we racked up penalties.
 

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Maybe we wouldn't see it with Garrett here at the helm. Didn't Callahan call plays last year as well? He couldn't get it done either. Linehan deserves credit. My point is, this team is playing smart disciplined football. If we were leading the league in penalties do you think LInehan would still have this same success or we'd be 3-1? Because at the MINIMUM we would've lost the Rams game if we racked up penalties.

Callahan did not call the plays last year. It was Garrett as far as what I heard from the grapevine.

Playing smart and being disciplined is mostly attributed to coaching. Garrett has been coaching this team for many years. Yet we lead the league in penalties just about every year. I see a more smart and disciplined team which I will attribute to having a new coach calling that shots on offense. That would be Linehan. I don't think that this team all of a sudden woke up one morning and decided to become more disciplined. Something must have happened to attribute to this change.
 

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That draft Jerry specifically referenced in the trade down that they took Frederick in that spot because he was 'The Last Mohican' of the group of 5 OLs they'd targeted for that first round pick.

All of this splitting hairs is just guessing as to what might have happened and how credit might be spread. The fact is, we don't really know. The only thing we do know is that the team has picked three OLs in the first round here recently, where they had not done so previously in 30 years, and never in the Jerry Jones regime. To me, that says something and that something is pretty obvious: they wanted to focus significant resources on the OL. You might even say they planned it.

Or, you could pretend they didn't or that the decision was made with one or more members of the team's brain trust kicking and screaming the whole time, and it just happened to serendipitously work out. Pick your side.

I'm sure that the FO wanted to have an effective oline. But Im not sure that it was mostly orchestrated by Garrett from the beginning. I do think that he had some input in this matter. But not like he had full control on where the direction of the team was going in terms of drafting an oline for the sake of running the ball.

I think all this came about because Jerry wanted to protect Romo. He wanted to make sure Romo live out his days to fulfill his contract - million dollars is a lot of money. Thus the reasoning why this team was all in for building an oline. I think that Murray and our success running the ball was an indirect benefit from wanting to build a oline to protect Romo. Maybe having a QB sign a big contract does have some other side benefits to it that no one could have imagined.
 

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I'm sure that the FO wanted to have an effective oline. But Im not sure that it was mostly orchestrated by Garrett from the beginning. I do think that he had some input in this matter. But not like he had full control on where the direction of the team was going in terms of drafting an oline for the sake of running the ball.

I think all this came about because Jerry wanted to protect Romo. He wanted to make sure Romo live out his days to fulfill his contract - million dollars is a lot of money. Thus the reasoning why this team was all in for building an oline. I think that Murray and our success running the ball was an indirect benefit from wanting to build a oline to protect Romo. Maybe having a QB sign a big contract does have some other side benefits to it that no one could have imagined.

The highest pick we used in the process was for Tyron Smith, and that was before the Romo extension.

We'll just have to agree to disagree. From the moment Garrett took over and jettisoned Gurode et. al, we were in rebuilding mode for the OL. It's been a long process, and a long time coming, but it's been pretty steadily happening for some time.
 

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If Rod Marinelli can continue to get this defense to play as they did in the Saints game he should be getting Co MVP. Linehan has done a great job with some very good talent. Rod situation is a bit more rocky. lol
 

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Everyone was doing their job well last year and the year before but it still wasn't clicking. That was coaching no matter how you slice and dice it. While I completely agree it is indeed a team effort, Linehan is making a sizeable difference.

I agree Linehan is making a difference. I don't know how to put percentages or get precise about it. One, I'm not there to really know anything. Two, I can only look at the results and I see differences. Three, even if you account the OL for the lion's share of credit, he is still taking advantage of the better blocking and RB and/or WR play.
 

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If Rod Marinelli can continue to get this defense to play as they did in the Saints game he should be getting Co MVP. Linehan has done a great job with some very good talent. Rod situation is a bit more rocky. lol

Completely agree. We actually used our offense as defense late in the Saints game. We got the ball back, chewed clock, and gained 1st downs with authority. We destroyed their spirit with our offense on the field. I haven't seen that happen in over 10 years.
 

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The highest pick we used in the process was for Tyron Smith, and that was before the Romo extension.

We'll just have to agree to disagree. From the moment Garrett took over and jettisoned Gurode et. al, we were in rebuilding mode for the OL. It's been a long process, and a long time coming, but it's been pretty steadily happening for some time.

Tyron was selected to fill the void when Adams was let go. The man reason we took Tyron was that we wanted to protect Romo's backside and I believe that to be the #1 reason why he was selected.

When we went in rebuilding mode with our OL, we replaced Gurode with Costa and well all know what a massive failure that was.

I believed that Costa was Garrett's pet project which lasted till we got Frederick. Now if Garrett really wanted to fix the oline during that time why did it take him so long to fix the center position? Why did he keep insisting that Costa will work out in the long run? Why didn't we fill that void through the draft and how come we filled the guard position with FA scrubs instead?

It was up until Romo signed his big contract and Jones wanted to make sure we select an oline in the first round no matter what. The reason why he wanted an linesman in the first round was because Romo just signed a 100 million dollar contract. I believe that Garrett didn't like this pick because he still wanted Costa to stay on as starter. But as you know that didn't work out.

Thus both Tyron and Frederick was selected to protect Romo before and after his contract was signed. Thats my reasoning and its nothing more than an opinion. But I do not think that we selected this oline to run the ball. I believe these players was signed because Jerry wanted to protect Romo and in a way Garrett must have agreed with him. The outcome of all of this is that we now have an oline that not only can protect Romo, but also to run the ball down our opponents throats.
 

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I disagree with this partly because of one reason: the only change to the o-line was zach martin.

I do think linnehan has been the bigger difference. The o-line was already good....it just improved one position.

Actually it improved 4 positions.

Naturally RG improved.

It improved RT because now free is working next to a dominant guard.

It improves C for the same reason RT improved.

It improved LG because two former starters battled it out for a single position pushing each other.

Meanwhile Tyron just stays out on an island on the left side eating a sandwich during games.

Add in natural improvement because everyone on the line is young as hell... And well... Here we are. Best line in football.
 

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Completely agree. We actually used our offense as defense late in the Saints game. We got the ball back, chewed clock, and gained 1st downs with authority. We destroyed their spirit with our offense on the field. I haven't seen that happen in over 10 years.

True and defense really was in more of a prevent mode in 4th qrt rushing only 3 which I did not care for but the play of the defense in the 1st half and 3rd qrt was outstanding. I expected coming out of half time Saints would make adjustments and starting the 2nd half with the ball would do something yet only managed 3.
 

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Why not give Linehan credit? This is basically the same offense from a year ago. Garrett had this same offense and could not even muster up the type of production that Linehan was able to do. I don't understand the love that Garrett's gets around here. To me the less he does for this team, the better. I'm just being honest. Just call it addition by subtraction.

:hammer: Agree wholeheartedly!!!
 

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I think people are giving Linehan too much credit. The plays we are running....aren't much different than how and what we ran last year....execution is different however. LInehan has been good. Garrett has been good. Maranelli has been good.........and the scouting department and GM? Didn't have a terrible offseason looking back at it. Its a collective effort. Still a lot of football to be played.

I have to disagree. Our plays are much, much different than what we've ran last year.
 

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Callahan did not call the plays last year. It was Garrett as far as what I heard from the grapevine.

Playing smart and being disciplined is mostly attributed to coaching. Garrett has been coaching this team for many years. Yet we lead the league in penalties just about every year. I see a more smart and disciplined team which I will attribute to having a new coach calling that shots on offense. That would be Linehan. I don't think that this team all of a sudden woke up one morning and decided to become more disciplined. Something must have happened to attribute to this change.

Maybe a change in Garrett's coaching? I personally think its insane to just give Linehan credit for everything that's gotten better. Why not give him credit for the defense to while we're at it lol.

And if Linehan is why we are no longer getting penalties than why did his Detroit Lions last rank up more penalties than us lol? They were one of the worst in the league in penalties last year.
 

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Is it not the same playbook?

Nope its much different. Linehan not only brought his playbook with him but also his coaching style. As you can tell Romo is much more a bus driver rather than the one leading the charge. Romo is finally listening to a real OC that knows how to calls plays. Call it a blessing.
 

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Maybe a change in Garrett's coaching? I personally think its insane to just give Linehan credit for everything that's gotten better. Why not give him credit for the defense to while we're at it lol.

And if Linehan is why we are no longer getting penalties than why did his Detroit Lions last rank up more penalties than us lol? They were one of the worst in the league in penalties last year.

I give Marinelli credit for the defense. He is making mountains out of molehills.

I don't see anything wrong to giving credit to where its due. I wouldn't call it insane. I would call it fact. Even the announcers during the Saints game was gushing over Linehan. In fact, I think it doesn't take away from Garrett. It actually makes him look good standing next to Linehan. The announcers even mentioned that they make an awesome team.

Having Linehan, and even Marinelli as our OC and DC makes Dallas a much, much more credible team. If I was Garrett I would be lobbying Jerry hard to make sure they both get paid big bucks and stay in Dallas for a long time to come.
 

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Callahan did not call the plays last year. It was Garrett as far as what I heard from the grapevine.

Playing smart and being disciplined is mostly attributed to coaching. Garrett has been coaching this team for many years. Yet we lead the league in penalties just about every year. I see a more smart and disciplined team which I will attribute to having a new coach calling that shots on offense. That would be Linehan. I don't think that this team all of a sudden woke up one morning and decided to become more disciplined. Something must have happened to attribute to this change.

You guys feign certainty and end up looking about as discredible as possible because of it. Blustery surety only convinces fools.

USA Today said:
It's official: Cowboys give play-calling to Bill Callahan

2:13 a.m. EDT June 5, 2013

Callahan, who is offensive coordinator and offensive line coach, has consistently deferred to Garrett when the topic came up this offseason, but finally relented when told that Jones had said the decision to let Callahan call plays was made weeks ago. Callahan looked to be the one calling plays during offseason workouts, and Jones said anyone "looking at practice ... can get a pretty good idea of how it's going there."

"It's a real honor and a great responsibility," Callahan said. "I'm flattered to be part of this and take on the additional responsibilities of calling the plays in the course of the game."

Garrett has faced the question of whether he would give up play-calling duties because of poor game management decisions in several losses the past two seasons. The Cowboys finished 8-8 and missed the playoffs both times.

Callahan's offense had a rough season in his debut with the Raiders, but finished no worse than eighth in points and yards per attempt each of the next four years. Callahan also spent four years as head coach at Nebraska.

"I think he's an outstanding coach with the kind of experience that I really think is good for us right now," Jones said. "The fact that he has been head coach, college, as well as in the NFL, you bring all of that to bear."

Garrett said his refusal to announce the change had nothing to do with whether he agreed with it.

"I'm completely on board with all decisions we make," Garrett said. "We make collective decisions in this organization. We always have and we always will."

While playfully acknowledging that he wasn't thrilled with his owner revealing the play-calling decision, Garrett said his relationship with Jones has never been better.

http://www.usatoday.com/story/sport...-calling-bill-callahan-jason-garrett/2389821/

You're wrong. Deal with it. Nice grapevine.
 

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