Lions WR-Roy Williams likely to leave

[YosemiteSam]

Why?

You are probably going to get Glenn back and Terrell Owens is going to be here for at least 2-3 more years.

Why not use your scouting department and the draft and get a young guy?

Roy Williams is only 25 years old and is a playmaker. TO and TG are 33 and TG is coming off a serious injury.

But as I stated, I could be convinced .

Is that enough?

Be everything as it may, I take Larry Fitgerald over Roy Williams. He is a bigger playmaker and is more consistent.

 

[dogunwo]

I'm pretty sure Detroit can be talked into taking something for Roy with out breaking our bank. Just convince them that they don't want 2 high-priced WRs, he's leaving and they will get nothing for him, might as well take Carpenter & a 2, or Spears and a 2.

If that doesn't work, you know we always have Coakley on speed dial.

I love you Clove, but you are making me ill with this trade Spears talk. He isnt getting a lot of sacks, but he is making some plays, and is part of the reason why we are extremely solid against the run. Our defensively line is molding into a great unit, why mess with it?

 

[Rack]

I love you Clove, but you are making me ill with this trade Spears talk. He isnt getting a lot of sacks, but he is making some plays, and is part of the reason why we are extremely solid against the run. Our defensively line is molding into a great unit, why mess with it?

Why not try to improve it?


I'd rather Hatcher start then Spears.


Same with our RBs, we don't "Need" an improvement there but I'd damn sure be more happy with McFadden then I am JuJo.

 

[Bob Sacamano]

Why not try to improve it?


I'd rather Hatcher start then Spears.


Same with our RBs, we don't "Need" an improvement there but I'd damn sure be more happy with McFadden then I am JuJo.

that won't improve the rush D

 

[Chocolate Lab]

I have a dumb question:

As I don't follow the Lions, is Roy Williams a speed guy or a possession guy?

He has it all. He's outrageously talented, probably only a tick behind Randy Moss. The guy is 6-3, 215 or so, and has tremendous speed (10.5 100m in high school) and leaping ability.

Only problem is that he underachieves somewhat relative to his ability, and he's been hurt some.

But he reminds me of Leonard Davis a little bit. Great talent known as an underachiever (but who is still very good) playing for a bad franchise... But who went to the U of Texas and would likely be better back home. Like the thread says, Roy has said repeatedly how much he'd like to be back in Texas. And who you gonna choose between Romo and Matt Schaub?

 

[dogunwo]

Why?

You are probably going to get Glenn back and Terrell Owens is going to be here for at least 2-3 more years.

Why not use your scouting department and the draft and get a young guy?

I'm just not a big fan of throwing Premium Draft Picks around.

As I stated, it would have to be a guy that puts the Cowboys on top and I don't think Roy Williams does that.

But as I stated, I could be convinced .

Roy is not a young guy? Isnt he only like 25?

 

[dogunwo]

Why not try to improve it?


I'd rather Hatcher start then Spears.


Same with our RBs, we don't "Need" an improvement there but I'd damn sure be more happy with McFadden then I am JuJo.

I think what you gain by upgrading Julius Jones is alot more than what you gain by upgrading Spears.

 

[ABQCOWBOY]

balanced Os plus D wins championships however

think about it, if the Ravens had our passing game, plus what they were able to do against New England running the football, they probably would have won Monday night, huge, and that's the team we'll most likely have to take on to win the Super Bowl

again, I wouldn't trade a 1st for a player who we might have the chance to sign w/o giving up any draft picks for in 2 years

Yes, but if you have a good OL and a good QB, then I think the balance is a bye product of that. To me, a franchise RB is not as important as a two back system with capable players. Especially in our offense. If we were a running team, then I might be more inclined to agree. However, since we are really a passing team, the WRs are much more critical IMO. To me, the biggest needs this off season are CB/WR closely followed by RB, Safety and ILB. RB could not even be a position of need depending on what we do with JJ. I think that because of the timeframes, trading for a WR is a much better option for us then drafting one.

 

[Bob Sacamano]

Yes, but if you have a good OL and a good QB, then I think the balance is a bye product of that. To me, a franchise RB is not as important as a two back system with capable players. Especially in our offense. If we were a running team, then I might be more inclined to agree. However, since we are really a passing team, the WRs are much more critical IMO. To me, the biggest needs this off season are CB/WR closely followed by RB, Safety and ILB. RB could not even be a position of need depending on what we do with JJ. I think that because of the timeframes, trading for a WR is a much better option for us then drafting one.

I'm not advocating drafting a WR over trading for an established one, just I don't think we have to trade for Roy, and even if we do, it's going to cost us an arm and a leg, since it would be obvious that the Lions aren't willing to let Roy go w/o receiving something substantial for him, is it worth it? I don't think so, since WR(s) don't win Championships, you're fine if you have 1 superstar there and solid compliments

and who says we can't keep the 2-back system if we draft McFadden? McFadden is going to be coming out of one, and Minny uses it even w/ having the great AD

to beat a team like the Pats, you need a running game to keep their O off the field, w/ a passing game that can score points when needed, you're not going to stop the Pat's O w/ your D, the only way to beat the Pats is w/ a balanced O

 

[Rack]

I think what you gain by upgrading Julius Jones is alot more than what you gain by upgrading Spears.

That's debateable.

 

[ABQCOWBOY]

I'm not advocating drafting a WR over trading for an established one, just I don't think we have to trade for Roy, and even if we do, it's going to cost us an arm and a leg, since it would be obvious that the Lions aren't willing to let Roy go w/o receiving something substantial for him, is it worth it? I don't think so, since WR(s) don't win Championships, you're fine if you have 1 superstar there and solid compliments

and who says we can't keep the 2-back system if we draft McFadden? McFadden is going to be coming out of one, and Minny uses it even w/ having the great AD

to beat a team like the Pats, you need a running game to keep their O off the field, w/ a passing game that can score points when needed, you're not going to stop the Pat's O w/ your D, the only way to beat the Pats is w/ a balanced O

The problem here, IMO, is that I don't see us having a game changing WR for very long. I would not count on having TO for more then two years. I don't know that Glenn is even going to be back. To me, we have to draft a WR now or we will be caught in a situation where we're drafting a guy who won't be able to step in in three years or so, when we need him. If we wait another couple seasons to do this, then you also probably wait another couple three seasons for the guy to develop. Those, IMO, are seasons waisted with our talent. I think you have to draft a WR this year if you don't trade for a guy or sign one.

I also don't believe that you build to beat NE. IMO, that team is not long for the road. I don't believe that we will see NE challenging for championships for much longer. I'm not even convinced that we will see them this year. IMO, that team is starting to wear down. They may end up getting beaten in the playoffs. I'm not saying that they will but I do believe that it's definatly a possability. I think you build to win in your division. Romo is our best and most important player. I think you surround him with talent for as long as you can without waisting seasons. To me, it just makes all the sense in the world.

I am not in favor of taking McFadden because I don't believe he will be another AD. To me, his game just doesn't translate the way Peterson's did to the NFL. JMO.

 

[ABQCOWBOY]

That's debateable.

I don't believe that we've hit a home run with Spears, per say, but I do believe that we have a very decent rotation of talented players on the DL already. In addition to Spears, we have Canty, Hatcher, Ratliff and even Ellis who could probably play snaps at DE. Heck, I'd imagine that Tank could probably do it as well. Ferguson will be back at NT next season so you figure that either Tank or Ratliff will probably end up moving out to DE. Honestly, I think were pretty good at that spot right now.

 

[Bob Sacamano]

I am not in favor of taking McFadden because I don't believe he will be another AD. To me, his game just doesn't translate the way Peterson's did to the NFL. JMO.

both are built the same, both are fast, both have other-worldy bursts, both run big

we probably won't have to trade for Roy, that's all I'm saying, don't jump the gun

 

[ABQCOWBOY]

both are built the same, both are fast, both have other-worldy bursts, both run big

we probably won't have to trade for Roy, that's all I'm saying, don't jump the gun

I don't agree with you on this one Bob. I watch McFadden and I don't see AD. I never really have. I guess we will see more when combines come around but to me, AD is a much more physical style of runner.

As far as Roy goes, I don't think anybody knows if we will get him or not. Roy could easily be traded to a team and signed for big money in the off season. I think that it would be a gamble to depend on the fact that we would be able to sign him. Not saying it can't happen but definatly not saying that it would be a done deal.

If the question is, should we trade for him, then my answer would be yes. I would try and trade for him.

 

[Chocolate Lab]

Interesting... Wade just said in his PC that Dan Reeves said he wouldn't draft a WR in the first round because pro football is such a huge adjustment from college for them. And if I heard it right, Wade said he was from that school. (Though without looking it up, I could swear Ricky Nattiel was a 1st rounder then... Wasn't he?)

Anyway, maybe we shouldn't expect a 1st round WR. Sounds like trading a 1st for a vet would be more likely.

 

[GimmeTheBall!]

I'd use the 1st in a package to trade up to get McFadden, WRs don't win Super Bowls

Hey, genius, I don't think anyone is gonna let go of a McFadden to get a middle to low first-round pick. Miami/Atlanta/St. Louis will want waaaaay more than what we can give.

And a package? Package of what?
Romo, Ware and T.O.?

Bidding will be high for McFadden higher than any ONE 1st-round draft pick and a "package."

 

[jbsg02]

When is he going to be a FA?

 

[BehindEnemyLinez]

The problem here, IMO, is that I don't see us having a game changing WR for very long. I would not count on having TO for more then two years. I don't know that Glenn is even going to be back. To me, we have to draft a WR now or we will be caught in a situation where we're drafting a guy who won't be able to step in in three years or so, when we need him. If we wait another couple seasons to do this, then you also probably wait another couple three seasons for the guy to develop. Those, IMO, are seasons waisted with our talent. I think you have to draft a WR this year if you don't trade for a guy or sign one.

I also don't believe that you build to beat NE. IMO, that team is not long for the road. I don't believe that we will see NE challenging for championships for much longer. I'm not even convinced that we will see them this year. IMO, that team is starting to wear down. They may end up getting beaten in the playoffs. I'm not saying that they will but I do believe that it's definatly a possability. I think you build to win in your division. Romo is our best and most important player. I think you surround him with talent for as long as you can without waisting seasons. To me, it just makes all the sense in the world.

I am not in favor of taking McFadden because I don't believe he will be another AD. To me, his game just doesn't translate the way Peterson's did to the NFL. JMO.

Good points, ABQ! I agree w/ you about the WR situation-draft a young stud NOW so when Owens is traded/retired/released someone has been groomed to step into that #1 spot. Crayton will never be a #1. Neither will Hurd or Austin so I believe now, when we do not have any glaring needs, is the time to SLOWLY bring along a future game changer at this position. Nothing against Roy, but if he's franchised by the Lionesses I cannot see us giving up a 1st and 3rd to pick him up.

As for the RBs, I'd rather have a speed back (a la Slaton (WVa) or Jones (Ark)) to come in a complement the Barbarian's hard-nosed running style. I can see MB3 getting about 20 carries a game and letting one of those young-bucks pick up the scraps (about 8-10 carries). If we're going to get D-Mac, then I cannot see Dallas paying Barber and/or Jones starting RB money to split carries with a HIGH first rounder who's also making big bucks!

 

[trickblue]

I'd give my left nut for him . I think he's one of the best in the NFL , and has the total package as far as talent and ability . Detroit is where great players go to die , and Williams has managed to stay alive .

Wow, that's REALLY taking one for the team... I'll relay your offer to Jerry, you never know but what it might be the offer that gets the job done...

Speaking for Cowboys fans everywhere, we deeply appreciate your sacrifice... we can only hope that somewhere in the future, a player will come along that you'd be willing to sacrifice your right testicle for as well...

You, sir, are a true fan...

Hey... he 's done having kids... whats wrong with shedding a little baggage...

 

[NickZepp]

Roy Williams has never been to a pro bowl. Has one season of over 1000 yards and had only one year of over 70 catches. I doubt there's a big push for anyone to get Roy Williams.