Lissemore traded to SD for 2015 7th

[Idgit]

Figured this was in the works. 2015 is a fur piece down the road, but it's better than nothing. Wonder if this was calling the Saints' bluff? Nice to be adding a pick and not giving one, for a change.
Wilber next?

 

[AsthmaField]

Phil Costa was from that class, too. Overall, it was a good class for us.

You're right... good catch.

Any class where you end up with three starters, one key backup and a special teams ace is one that fans should be thrilled with, not talking bad about.

Add in that two of them (Dez and Lee) are in the conversation for the best at their positions in the league and that one of them (Dez) is seen as the most talented at his position that this storied franchise has ever had, and it starts to make people look silly for not talking about how good that college class really was.

 

[gdogg24]

I actually like this at least we're getting something and not just cutting these guys or just losing them to free agency

 

[Teague31]

Figured this was in the works. 2015 is a fur piece down the road, but it's better than nothing. Wonder if this was calling the Saints' bluff? Nice to be adding a pick and not giving one, for a change.
Wilber next?

It would be great if we did screw over rob the fraud.

 

[perrykemp]

Give me a Dez and Lee out of any draft and you can have the rest...

I mainly agree with that viewpoint.

The alternative view, however, could look something like this:

• Going into the 4th year, that draft class has contributed 0 Pro-bowlers
• Sean Lee is a 50/50 proposition -- 50% he ends up All-Pro, 50% he doesn't play 8 games and ends up on IR

If Sean Lee can't make it the whole season again, then despite Dez being an All-Pro this season, it was an unsuccessful draft class. It's a 53 man roster -- you need more than one guy to make it from a draft class for the team to be successful.

 

[Idgit]

You're right... good catch.

Any class where you end up with three starters, one key backup and a special teams ace is one that fans should be thrilled with, not talking bad about.

Add in that two of them (Dez and Lee) are in the conversation for the best at their positions in the league and that one of them (Dez) is seen as the most talented at his position that this storied franchise has ever had, and it starts to make people look silly for not talking about how good that college class really was.

You know what's kind of sad? I almost didn't mention Costa, because I thought you might have not included him on purpose, because you didn't want your (good) point diluted by a bevy of "Phil Costa sucks, you're reaching" posts.

But, yeah, 3 starters or 2 and multiple key role players is the standard I usually use for determining if a draft class was good or bad. When two of those starters are Sean Lee and Dez Bryant, you know you're playing with house money after that.

 

[Risen Star]

You're right... good catch.

Any class where you end up with three starters, one key backup and a special teams ace is one that fans should be thrilled with, not talking bad about.

Add in that two of them (Dez and Lee) are in the conversation for the best at their positions in the league and that one of them (Dez) is seen as the most talented at his position that this storied franchise has ever had, and it starts to make people look silly for not talking about how good that college class really was.

Yes. You'd have to be silly not to recognize the scary talent of Barry Church, Phil Costa and Danny McCray.

 

[Risen Star]

I mainly agree with that viewpoint.

The alternative view, however, could look something like this:

• Going into the 4th year, that draft class has contributed 0 Pro-bowlers
• Sean Lee is a 50/50 proposition -- 50% he ends up All-Pro, 50% he doesn't play 8 games and ends up on IR

If Sean Lee can't make it the whole season again, then despite Dez being an All-Pro this season, it was an unsuccessful draft class. It's a 53 man roster -- you need more than one guy to make it from a draft class for the team to be successful.

That's the fair way of looking at it without bringing up slop like Church, Costa and McCray in UDFA.

 

[Rockport]

You know what's kind of sad? I almost didn't mention Costa, because I thought you might have not included him on purpose, because you didn't want your (good) point diluted by a bevy of "Phil Costa sucks, you're reaching" posts.

But, yeah, 3 starters or 2 and multiple key role players is the standard I usually use for determining if a draft class was good or bad. When two of those starters are Sean Lee and Dez Bryant, you know you're playing with house money after that.

There's a reason Costa is not going to start. He'll be off the team in less than 2 years at most.

 

[perrykemp]

That's the fair way of looking at it without bringing up slop like Church, Costa and McCray in UDFA.

Costa and Church are street UDFAs who managed to contribute a grand total of 6 games last season before they left with season ending injuries. It's possible they might yet still contribute to the team, however, I certainly wouldn't use them as shining examples of why the 2010 draft class was great.

 

[Vanilla2]

Yep.

It's the homer fan defense mechanism for any criticism of their team.

I see you had a good training camp and are rounding into mid season form.
just gotta keep stacking good days though.

 

[TwoCentPlain]

Good trade. Now if only the Cowboys could trade Ratliff. I'll give any team the Cowboys 2014 3rd rd pick if they take Ratliff and his contract.

 

[Vanilla2]

Yes. You'd have to be silly not to recognize the scary talent of Barry Church, Phil Costa and Danny McCray.

Are you ever happy?

And does this attitude seep into your personal life?

Or is it just your Internet persona

 

[Idgit]

It would be great if we did screw over rob the fraud.

I was AFK much of the afternoon yesterday, but I thought several of the cut-downs were curious. They make more sense in this context, where the team was trying to deal for picks and perhaps released some veterans they were gambling they could pick back up (or a comparable player) on the waiver wire. If it nets us a couple future 7s, it's probably worth rolling the dice on finding an equivalent back-roster CB or going thin on a handful of OT prospects we don't really like much, anyway.

For example, if, say, Lissemore, Andre Smith, Kyle Wilbur, or Phillip Tanner were players they thought had bottom-round trade value to the right team, keeping them as bubble players and trying to trade them and rolling the dice on Pellerin/Moore, Magee, Whoever, clearing waivers and being available once a roster spot opens up makes some sense. It means we'll have a slightly imbalanced roster for a few days, but things will shake out with the rest of the cuts, and we'll juggle the roster from there. If we end up netting a few picks, but getting players who were backup options in those 52nd, 53rd slots, that's worth it over time.

I think this team is being run better from a strategic perspective than we have been at any time since Jimmy was here. That's not to say I think JG is a better coach than any of those guys that came between, only that he's really smart about how he goes about using his roster and his resources and how he fills needs. Tactically, we're doing smart things now when we used to do a lot of little things the wrong way.

 

[Screw The Hall]

Nice move. I'm actually surprised he had any value left at all after the positively brutal preseason he had in Dallas.

 

[Risen Star]

Costa and Church are street UDFAs who managed to contribute a grand total of 6 games last season before they left with season ending injuries. It's possible they might yet still contribute to the team, however, I certainly wouldn't use them as shining examples of why the 2010 draft class was great.

I wouldn't use any UDFA to evaluate a draft class. They weren't a part of it. When you see people do that it's desperation. Hence names like Church, Costa and McCray.

 

[Idgit]

There's only two modes for some people:
1. It's too early to tell if the player will be any good.
2. Dwelling in the past is silly now that we know he's not good.

I know this is meant to be critical, but I actually think this is a very sensible way for fans to behave. If an organization gets good at determining if a player will be any good, and churns liberally, then it's how you add talent and not waste time lingering on moves that don't pan out. What's wrong with that? Turn over stones, if they don't work for you, release them and move on. If you get better at finding promising stones in the first place, your roster gets better, and you don't give yourself an ulcer proclaiming every move a likely failure in advance.

Many, many personnel moves in the NFL are going to be failures. Complaining about that fact is like complaining about gravity: it's just they way it works. Dropping apples and yelling "I knew it!" doesn't impress anybody. I can't speak for anyone else, but I know I've never been impressed by the predictive acumen of any poster who just doesn't like any move the team makes and then points to his or here track record of those players no longer being on the roster.

 

[Toruk_Makto]

I don't. I'll never get that. I'm a Cowboys fan. I want my team to make the right decision. The last thing I want now is for Lissemore to go to SD and play his best football.

Wishing a guy plays poorly because he is no longer on your favorite team.

I'll never get that.

 

[JohnsKey19]

My goodness. Lissemore may not be a good fit but at least he is a serviceable DL who if nothing else can hold his ground. I can't recall our front 7 being so thin in terms of depth.

 

[Idgit]

Costa and Church are street UDFAs who managed to contribute a grand total of 6 games last season before they left with season ending injuries. It's possible they might yet still contribute to the team, however, I certainly wouldn't use them as shining examples of why the 2010 draft class was great.

Let's first widen the definition of what we're talking about to cover all college personnel so that we're not bogged down in a silly debate as to whether or not to count some college players who were added to the roster during that same team-building period.

Both Costa and Church won starting spots last season (well, I don't think anyone disputes that Costa was going to be the starter at C, but I'll concede that point on a technicality since he got hurt in camp). The fact that they got hurt shouldn't really be counted against the scouting department if we're talking about the job the team did in finding talent. Even if it did, these are players who made the roster, contributed on ST and one of whom is a starter for us again this season on the new defense. They're definitely contributors already, and obviously part of the support for the 2010 draft class overall.