Lissemore traded to SD for 2015 7th

[Idgit]

There's a reason Costa is not going to start. He'll be off the team in less than 2 years at most.

Two years is a lifetime in the NFL. I thought he was a good candidate for a trade *this* offseason, if we could find the right value and some interior OL depth someplace else.

But I'll reiterate what I always say when the topic of Frederick v. Costa comes up. Frederick is clearly a better player. A lot better player, by the looks of it. That makes me happy. But, remember, he was also the 'Last of the Mohicans' for us along the OL on the first day of the NFL draft. Given that he was the first C taken, that necessarily means the other Mohicans weren't C's.

 

[MichaelWinicki]

I think this team is being run better from a strategic perspective than we have been at any time since Jimmy was here. That's not to say I think JG is a better coach than any of those guys that came between, only that he's really smart about how he goes about using his roster and his resources and how he fills needs. Tactically, we're doing smart things now when we used to do a lot of little things the wrong way.

Agreed.

 

[theebs]

Agreed.

Better than wade. Yes.

Better than parcells. No, not at all.

 

[visionary]

Better than wade. Yes.

Better than parcells. No, not at all.

even the worse run team (under wade) had better results than the currently "better run team"

wonder how long we will keep playing the "better run team" card before worse results than those "worse run teams" will trump it?

already been 2 years

 

[Idgit]

Better than wade. Yes.

Better than parcells. No, not at all.

I'm only talking about the little stuff in managing the roster: how frequently we churn, what players to leave exposed, which players in a draft room to bank are going to slide to FA, when to sign a PS guy back onto your active roster/when to poach a PS guy from another team. And, now, finessing the final 53 here at cutdowns to hold on to potentially tradable commodities and roll the dice that, even if you lose a player like Brandon McGee, you'll be able to replace him with a claim on a player like Kyle Bosworth.

Parcels was pretty good at this, too, in the way that a Jersey guy who bets horses is good at that sort of thing. But I think JG so far has been better. There are many other things I think Parcels was better at as a HC, for the record.

 

[theebs]

I'm only talking about the little stuff in managing the roster: how frequently we churn, what players to leave exposed, which players in a draft room to bank are going to slide to FA, when to sign a PS guy back onto your active roster/when to poach a PS guy from another team. And, now, finessing the final 53 here at cutdowns to hold on to potentially tradable commodities and roll the dice that, even if you lose a player like Brandon McGee, you'll be able to replace him with a claim on a player like Kyle Bosworth.

Parcels was pretty good at this, too, in the way that a Jersey guy who bets horses is good at that sort of thing. But I think JG so far has been better. There are many other things I think Parcels was better at as a HC, for the record.

Parcells and his staff were excellent at handling the roster. U must not remember, but the roster was in constant flux. Players were always aware that on Tuesday a group of guys were working out looking to take their jobs.

 

[Vanilla2]

even the worse run team (under wade) had better results than the currently "better run team"

wonder how long we will keep playing the "better run team" card before worse results than those "worse run teams" will trump it?

already been 2 years

So Switzer gets no credit cuz it was Jimmy's team.

But Phillips gets all the credit for 13-3 with Parcells' team?

Where's the consistency?

 

[Zordon]

I remember when I first joined CZ I was catching flack for calling Lissemore overrated while others had him as a some sleeper star. Good times...

 

[TheRomoSexual]

I remember when I first joined CZ I was saying how overrated Lissemore was. Good times...

Sorry you can't grasp the impact of the shift from a 3-4 to a 4-3.

 

[Idgit]

Parcells and his staff were excellent at handling the roster. U must not remember, but the roster was in constant flux. Players were always aware that on Tuesday a group of guys were working out looking to take their jobs.

No, I remember. And they were. Especially at the outset. I just think JG is better at it.

Parcells tied himself closely to players he had worked with previously, because he knew what they could give him, more or less. He had the benefit of knowing a lot of players, too. But he'd bring in guys who were past their prime, or trade for them, and then play them when their spot almost certainly could have been improved by players available elsewhere in the league. He played hurt, and injured, players a lot, and didn't rotate them or rest them the way we're doing now. He was maybe slower to have a young player knock a vet out of a starting spot.

In any event, it doesn't really matter. If Parcels was better at it, that's fine. The point I was really making is that we're pretty good right now at making smart bets, even on the little things, and I like that. Over time, it adds up.

 

[Zordon]

Sorry you can't grasp the impact of the shift from a 3-4 to a 4-3.

This was before last year...when he stunk it up.....in the 3-4. Nice try though.

 

[visionary]

So Switzer gets no credit cuz it was Jimmy's team.

But Phillips gets all the credit for 13-3 with Parcells' team?

Where's the consistency?

nope, i never liked phillips and hated the hire (another one of jerry idiocies)
so i give little credit to either switzer or phillips, those were jimmy and parcells teams

point is, forget about the coach who actually ran things well (parcells) even the coach who ran the team poorly (wade) had a better record than the current messiah. at some point results on the field should trump made up "runs the team" gobbledeegook

 

[Risen Star]

There is nothing about Jason Garrett as a coach that is better than Bill Parcells.

 

[Risen Star]

So Switzer gets no credit cuz it was Jimmy's team.

But Phillips gets all the credit for 13-3 with Parcells' team?

Where's the consistency?

I don't give either credit.

 

[Idgit]

There is nothing about Jason Garrett as a coach that is better than Bill Parcells.

Why deal in such silly absolutes? Of course there are. It's no threat to Bill Parcels legacy that he wasn't better at everything. It's enough that he was a better HC at the more important things.

 

[AsthmaField]

Yes. You'd have to be silly not to recognize the scary talent of Barry Church, Phil Costa and Danny McCray.

So, your definition of a good draft is that it has to be pro bowlers and that role players and solid starters are a negative?

Finding Barry Church should be a feather in the cap of our personnel department. There's no way finding a solid player like him in the later rounds or as an UDFA can be looked at as a negative.

Yet you manage to do so. It doesn't help your reputation of being negative because you want to project a certain online persona. Nor does it help how people view your talent evaluation skills.

But wait... let me guess... you don't care what anyone thinks who is on here, right?

Let me mark this down though:

Dez Bryant, Sean Lee, Barry Church, Phil Costa, Danny McCray = Bad rookie class.

Gotcha

 

[Risen Star]

Why deal in such silly absolutes? Of course there are. It's no threat to Bill Parcels legacy that he wasn't better at everything. It's enough that he was a better HC at the more important things.

It's not about any perceived threat to his legacy. He's one of the greatest coaches in all of sports. Jason Garrett is still learning how to be a head coach. He does nothing better than Parcells.

 

[Vanilla2]

nope, i never liked phillips and hated the hire (another one of jerry idiocies)
so i give little credit to either switzer or phillips, those were jimmy and parcells teams

point is, forget about the coach who actually ran things well (parcells) even the coach who ran the team poorly (wade) had a better record than the current messiah. at some point results on the field should trump made up "runs the team" gobbledeegook

Who's making Garrett out to be the messiah?

This team is in its current position because of wade and if you don't think this teams roster isn't in a better place than what wade left then I think you're agenda is in the way.

Have the results been there on the field under Garrett?

Not exactly, but the team has played for the division in the final game in each of his two full seasons at the helm.

It looks like they will be good enough to contend again.

Will they do it?

Time will tell

But if they don't odds are Garrett is gone.

 

[Risen Star]

So, your definition of a good draft is that it has to be pro bowlers and that role players and solid starters are a negative?

Finding Barry Church should be a feather in the cap of our personnel department. There's no way finding a solid player like him in the later rounds or as an UDFA can be looked at as a negative.

Yet you manage to do so. It doesn't help your reputation of being negative because you want to project a certain online persona. Nor does it help how people view your talent evaluation skills.

But wait... let me guess... you don't care what anyone thinks who is on here, right?

Let me mark this down though:

Dez Bryant, Sean Lee, Barry Church, Phil Costa, Danny McCray = Bad rookie class.

Gotcha

When evaluating a draft class I would look only at the players taken in the draft.

Now as for the UDFAs that year. I'd trade a mid round pick to get Costa and McCray off the roster. I suppose Church could pan out, but he's done nothing so far to make anyone believe he's some great find. If he is, great. That still wouldn't elevate the draft grade for the Cowboys. He wasn't drafted.

 

[bark]

My goodness. Lissemore may not be a good fit but at least he is a serviceable DL who if nothing else can hold his ground. I can't recall our front 7 being so thin in terms of depth.

These were my first thoughts. Hopefully, they had their eyes on someone to replace him before the move.