Lissemore traded to SD for 2015 7th

[Idgit]

That is the attitude that absolves the decision makers of being accountable for the decisions they are making at the point where acquiring talent is most important, namely the draft. Recognizing a player isn't going to work and moving on is great, but whoever made the choice or did the legwork on the guy, then supported acquiring the player, should have their future input on player matters questioned. Of course, no one bats 1.000 but with most of the drafts we've had the system that's in place and the people running the system and supporting it are deserving of, at the very least, criticism. Otherwise we may as well only link to dallascowboys.com articles and repeat and support only the things the team tells us are true.

Obviously, if the players you keep bringing in aren't upgrades to what you've got already, there's a big problem and people need to be fired. Coaches, scouts, GMs, if that could ever happen in Dallas. But, as long as the process is making the roster stronger and not weaker, then I don't see how it's a bad thing. It's a matter of debate whether or not our roster is getting any better, I guess, but I'm convinced it is.

 

[The Natural]

If you think that you are going to get more than 2 starters much less probowl level starters in a single draft you are kidding yourself. We got 3 years of solid rotation out of Lissemore and 2 longterm starters in that draft. Not every draft can be 2004 which was one of the best drafts of any team in the last decade.

Lol what?

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

Lol what?

Such insight....

I am sure you are fixating on the issues that he had at NT last year after Rat and Brent were lost. He goes 295 lbs so I don't know why that should bother you. He was quite good as a rotation guy at DE nevertheless. Not bad for a 7th rounder.

 

[bsheeern]

Yes. You'd have to be silly not to recognize the scary talent of Barry Church, Phil Costa and Danny McCray.

Your act is real old and really brings a bad tone to this whole board.

It's one thing to not agree with personnel moves but you just flat out go out of your way to complain about everything. You take positives and somehow convince yourself they are negatives.

Is your name Nors?

 

[Vanilla2]

Wait, so Wade Phillips was the GM then and now Garrett is acting in that role and making things better? Do tell.

Jerry has always said his coaches get the players they want.

The proof is in the pudding.

Take a look at the teams draft history during the better coaches tenures and the bad coaches tenures.

Wade being the worst HC in team history. IMO.

 

[Risen Star]

That is the attitude that absolves the decision makers of being accountable for the decisions they are making at the point where acquiring talent is most important, namely the draft. Recognizing a player isn't going to work and moving on is great, but whoever made the choice or did the legwork on the guy, then supported acquiring the player, should have their future input on player matters questioned. Of course, no one bats 1.000 but with most of the drafts we've had the system that's in place and the people running the system and supporting it are deserving of, at the very least, criticism. Otherwise we may as well only link to dallascowboys.com articles and repeat and support only the things the team tells us are true.

Well you little hater, you.

 

[SportsGuru80]

Makes sense the guy was like a square peg trying to fit into a round hole...

 

[Alexander]

Jerry has always said his coaches get the players they want.

And that is the overall problem, boys and girls.

He is so inept at building a team that he gets the coaches whatever they want as he has no vision and is unable to make independent decisions.

So we are at the mercy of whatever coach there is.

And right now, we have a .500 one.

 

[big dog cowboy]

So we are at the mercy of whatever coach there is.

And right now, we have a .500 one.

So JG takes the blame for coaching the players Wade wanted?

 

[JakeCamp12]

And that is the overall problem, boys and girls.

He is so inept at building a team that he gets the coaches whatever they want as he has no vision and is unable to make independent decisions.

So we are at the mercy of whatever coach there is.

And right now, we have a .500 one.

To me, this is the biggest issue with the front office. Jerry does not have his own vision as to what the team should be. He jumps on trends in the NFL like an old rock band trying to re-invent themselves. I am honestly surprised that he did not try and draft a pistol style QB in this draft. Most successful GM's and NFL coaches have a blueprint on how they will build the team. Jimmy had it with his speed and quickness framework of the dynasty teams. Landry had it with his motion offense and Flex defense. Jerry just doesn't have that vision on what he believes makes a team a Super Bowl team. He also tends to lose his patience if the team does not respond within a 3-4 year time frame. I still think going to the 3-4 was a really bad decision and set the franchise back many years.

 

[Alexander]

To me, this is the biggest issue with the front office. Jerry does not have his own vision as to what the team should be. He jumps on trends in the NFL like an old rock band trying to re-invent themselves. I am honestly surprised that he did not try and draft a pistol style QB in this draft. Most successful GM's and NFL coaches have a blueprint on how they will build the team. Jimmy had it with his speed and quickness framework of the dynasty teams. Landry had it with his motion offense and Flex defense. Jerry just doesn't have that vision on what he believes makes a team a Super Bowl team. He also tends to lose his patience if the team does not respond within a 3-4 year time frame. I still think going to the 3-4 was a really bad decision and set the franchise back many years.

I lost track of what Dallas Cowboys football was supposed to be. First, it was to copy New England. No wait, it is the Giants--just stay close and hope for a run. What is it now? Seattle? Chicago? Mass confusion.

The 3-4 is not the problem. Other teams can and have been extremely successful with it. The main issue is a shortage of quality coordinators who can run it. If you don't have that, it is difficult with so many teams going with the alignment. It used to be much easier when half the league's teams were running the four man fronts.

 

[Alexander]

So JG takes the blame for coaching the players Wade wanted?

You have your head in the sand if you think Garrett had any less of a voice in that draft room than Wade Phillips. Felix Jones was a Garrett suggestion. Phillips liked Chris Johnson more from what I have heard. And so the awful choices of Brewster, McGee and Bennett were concoctions from the brain of a defensive specialist?
Aside from Jason Williams, who else is a "Phillips" pick?

Empirically, it is next to impossible to hang choices on his head any more than anyone else when there is this idiotic (but "unique") group decision making process going on.

 

[mrmojo]

The Cowboys used to be the trend setters in the NFL, now we seem to mirror our team after the latest successful trend. The Boys need to find their own formula, draft players around it and stick with the plan for a few years to be successful. Right now I am hoping for the best this season and maybe we catch lightning in the bottle, but for long term success we need to get back to being trend setters.

 

[TellerMorrow34]

Yep.

It's the homer fan defense mechanism for any criticism of their team.

And this is what? The 'realist' ***** mechanism every time someone doesn't just agree with them?

Geez. The crybaby stuff on these forums from both sides is so stupid. It's amazing with these new rules how people still can't have opinions without some ******* label or *****fest from the otherside.

You're a smart fan. People know that, or they should, but this kind of crap is beyond useless.

 

[Risen Star]

And this is what? The 'realist' ***** mechanism every time someone doesn't just agree with them?

Geez. The crybaby stuff on these forums from both sides is so stupid. It's amazing with these new rules how people still can't have opinions without some ******* label or *****fest from the otherside.

You're a smart fan. People know that, or they should, but this kind of crap is beyond useless.

I'm not talking about somebody's opinions. I'm talking about the attempt to not have an opinion when things don't look so good.

That draft class is too early to tell morphs into quit living in the past.

Some of us like to review and see what went right or wrong.

 

[TellerMorrow34]

I'm not talking about somebody's opinions. I'm talking about the attempt to not have an opinion when things don't look so good.

That draft class is too early to tell morphs into quit living in the past.

Some of us like to review and see what went right or wrong.

My bad. I guess I read that wrong. Sometimes I can be stupid like that.

 

[Risen Star]

My bad. I guess I read that wrong. Sometimes I can be stupid like that.

No blood no foul.

I've seen the fans who can't be happy about anything. I have no time for them either.

Right now I'm pretty optimistic. The season starts this week and with a little luck the Cowboys can be a playoff team.