Lissemore traded to SD for 2015 7th

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This team is in its current position because of wade and if you don't think this teams roster isn't in a better place than what wade left then I think you're agenda is in the way.

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if you truly thunk wade had any significant input into making roster decisions, i am not sure what to say to you

the decision makers for the roster back then were the same as the ones now, jerry, stephen, garrett on offense (because he was the chosen one)- witness taking felix jones while wade was HC
 

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2010 Draft

1st rd - Dez Bryant
2nd rd - Sean Lee
4th rd - AOA (DB)
6th rd - Sam Young (OT)
6th rd - Jamar Wall (DB)
7th rd - Sean Lissemore (DL)

Obviously pleased with Dez & Lee but jeez..

If you think that you are going to get more than 2 starters much less probowl level starters in a single draft you are kidding yourself. We got 3 years of solid rotation out of Lissemore and 2 longterm starters in that draft. Not every draft can be 2004 which was one of the best drafts of any team in the last decade.
 

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if you truly thunk wade had any significant input into making roster decisions, i am not sure what to say to you

the decision makers for the roster back then were the same as the ones now, jerry, stephen, garrett on offense (because he was the chosen one)- witness taking felix jones while wade was HC

If you think he had no say then I don't know what to say to you. You think he had no input in drafting Butler and the two Williams for example? Olshansky was Jones' decision?

And acting like you really know how decisions are made or who makes them in VR is fun I guess but you have no way of knowing. At a certain point you should just admit you don't know rather than fronting that you do.
 

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if you truly thunk wade had any significant input into making roster decisions, i am not sure what to say to you

the decision makers for the roster back then were the same as the ones now, jerry, stephen, garrett on offense (because he was the chosen one)- witness taking felix jones while wade was HC

Jerry has said himself.

His coaches get what they want.

The roster moves have shown that the good coaches have built a good roster and the bad ones not so much.

You never answered the messiah question.
 

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If you think that you are going to get more than 2 starters much less probowl level starters in a single draft you are kidding yourself. We got 3 years of solid rotation out of Lissemore and 2 longterm starters in that draft. Not every draft can be 2004 which was one of the best drafts of any team in the last decade.

Exactly. It seems a lot of people don't know how to evaluate drafts. Even drafting high, it is a 50/50 proposition. If you find two pro bowl guys in one draft and a couple starter/role players as UDFA in the same year you are doing some good.

A lot better than Parcells 06 draft (and I like Parcells).
 

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It's not about any perceived threat to his legacy. He's one of the greatest coaches in all of sports. Jason Garrett is still learning how to be a head coach. He does nothing better than Parcells.

Whatever that means. You don't even know what they do in the day to day so how you think you are qualified to make such statements is beyond me. Oversimplifications such as yours do not help understand either one better as to what they do.

Instead we get a mindless opinion couched as a certain fact.
 

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2010 Draft

1st rd - Dez Bryant
2nd rd - Sean Lee
4th rd - AOA (DB)
6th rd - Sam Young (OT)
6th rd - Jamar Wall (DB)
7th rd - Sean Lissemore (DL)

Obviously pleased with Dez & Lee but jeez..

That's actually a pretty successful draft based on Dez and Lee alone. Not a bad draft.
 

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If you think he had no say then I don't know what to say to you. You think he had no input in drafting Butler and the two Williams for example? Olshansky was Jones' decision?

And acting like you really know how decisions are made or who makes them in VR is fun I guess but you have no way of knowing. At a certain point you should just admit you don't know rather than fronting that you do.


of course reading is elementary, i said "no SIGNIFICANT input..."

every HC probably has some input

allowing your HC to have some input into players selected in later rounds and letting your OC make the pick in round 1 are slightly different
 

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Not sure how this works if anyonecan help, but does trading him mean we get his cap space back (as opposed to cutting him and dead money?)

This is what over the cap has for his contract:
http://www.overthecap.com/cap.php?Name=Sean Lissemore&Position=DT&Team=Cowboys

Kudos if we drop these cap numbers ...

I'm pretty sure all of his bonus pro-rates to this year, which is 1.6m. His old cap number was 1m, so it will cost an extra 600k against the cap. But there will be no dead money after this year.
 

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of course reading is elementary, i said "no SIGNIFICANT input..."

every HC probably has some input

allowing your HC to have some input into players selected in later rounds and letting your OC make the pick in round 1 are slightly different

So choosing a starter and top 100 picks isn't significant?

You have no way of knowing one or another anyway so this conversation is pointless. If you want to think that Garrett and Jones were huddled together in conference while Phillips was off in another room with his thumb up his butt then go right ahead.
 

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I wouldn't use any UDFA to evaluate a draft class. They weren't a part of it. When you see people do that it's desperation. Hence names like Church, Costa and McCray.

Not everyone on a roster is or needs to be a star. A team's draft that includes a HOFer or 2-3 Pro Bowlers is a success. Rarely teams draft one or more HOFers per draft and it's not usual to draft multiple All Pros or even Pro Bowlers which I wouldn't use anymore anyway. Teams need players that work STs and contribute as backups. I can't think of any teams in league history that had to trade or cut multiple viable starters to get to the opening day roster. Quality snaps and even contributing snaps are a decent measure.
 

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if you truly thunk wade had any significant input into making roster decisions, i am not sure what to say to you

the decision makers for the roster back then were the same as the ones now, jerry, stephen, garrett on offense (because he was the chosen one)- witness taking felix jones while wade was HC

Why would you think that?
 

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It can't be a bad draft as long as Dez keeps doing what he's doing and Lee stays healthy.

So you agree with the overall sentiment but went through a few posts dissing the acquisition of Costa, Church and Mccray just to be salty? Lol

What if Church proves this year to be a very good safety, does not make that talent acquisition year look better?
 

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So you agree with the overall sentiment but went through a few posts dissing the acquisition of Costa, Church and Mccray just to be salty? Lol

What if Church proves this year to be a very good safety, does not make that talent acquisition year look better?

I agree that Dez and Lee can carry the class. Costa, Church and McCray aren't part of the draft class and two of those players can't play anyway.

Of course if Church proves legit it helps make the talent acquisition look better. It just doesn't do anything about the draft class. When someone says the Cowboys need to do a better job in the draft, they aren't talking about signing players after the draft.
 

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2010 Draft

1st rd - Dez Bryant
2nd rd - Sean Lee
4th rd - AOA (DB)
6th rd - Sam Young (OT)
6th rd - Jamar Wall (DB)
7th rd - Sean Lissemore (DL)

Obviously pleased with Dez & Lee but jeez..

I dare Jerry fail on those 6th round picks...

The Fallen one should check Belichek's draft history... not too pretty.
 

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This team is in its current position because of wade and if you don't think this teams roster isn't in a better place than what wade left then I think you're agenda is in the way.

Wait, so Wade Phillips was the GM then and now Garrett is acting in that role and making things better? Do tell.
 

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I know this is meant to be critical, but I actually think this is a very sensible way for fans to behave. If an organization gets good at determining if a player will be any good, and churns liberally, then it's how you add talent and not waste time lingering on moves that don't pan out. What's wrong with that? Turn over stones, if they don't work for you, release them and move on. If you get better at finding promising stones in the first place, your roster gets better, and you don't give yourself an ulcer proclaiming every move a likely failure in advance.

Many, many personnel moves in the NFL are going to be failures. Complaining about that fact is like complaining about gravity: it's just they way it works. Dropping apples and yelling "I knew it!" doesn't impress anybody. I can't speak for anyone else, but I know I've never been impressed by the predictive acumen of any poster who just doesn't like any move the team makes and then points to his or here track record of those players no longer being on the roster.

That is the attitude that absolves the decision makers of being accountable for the decisions they are making at the point where acquiring talent is most important, namely the draft. Recognizing a player isn't going to work and moving on is great, but whoever made the choice or did the legwork on the guy, then supported acquiring the player, should have their future input on player matters questioned. Of course, no one bats 1.000 but with most of the drafts we've had the system that's in place and the people running the system and supporting it are deserving of, at the very least, criticism. Otherwise we may as well only link to dallascowboys.com articles and repeat and support only the things the team tells us are true.
 
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