LMAO @ Commanders.

[Q_the_man]

not a chance Bly is third round value, second or late first.

Bly is Garbage, in like his 8th year, always gets burnt, he is living off his SB ring that's it that's all

 

[Bob Sacamano]

This is the same roster, than when healthy, won 11 games two seasons ago. It is also the same roster that has beaten the Cowboys 3 out of the last 4 times. Last year sucked, unpredictably. This year, I hope, will be different. But who knows in this league...anything can happen. Watch the Colts win 6 games next year.

it's also the same roster that won 6 games 3 seasons ago, that's had 1 winning season in 3 years, sorry, winning more than you lose is unpredictable

 

[hailvictory]

i think it is a very real possibility that the raiders take calvin johnson with the first pick. if that happens, a litany of teams will be eager to trade down. the Commanders should wait until the day of IMO

 

[5Stars]

It's pretty funny how RedStink fans come here telling us about how they need to trade this and trade that and do this and do that, and restructure this and restructure that just to try and get under the salary cap and to get a few draft picks so they can sign some more bums to their 5-11 team.


The Cowboys have what...about 20 mil under the cap? They have what, 10 draft picks? They signed Big Foot to help the oline, they don't have to restructure this or that...the Cowboys are basically in good shape money wise...they have a very young and talented team and just lost a close 1st round playoff game on another fluke play...like the fluke play that the RedStinks beat the Boyz on last year..

Yet, here they are, again, thumping their little chests about THEIR playoff win...TWO YEARS AGO!

It has to suck to be a fan of that team!

 

[Hostile]

i think it is a very real possibility that the raiders take calvin johnson with the first pick. if that happens, a litany of teams will be eager to trade down. the Commanders should wait until the day of IMO

That is who I would take if I were the Raiders, then I'd trade Moss for a 3rd and a ham sandwich and come out ahead by virtue of a free 3rd rounder. Draft someone like Drew Stanton at the top of the 2nd round.

Easy math for me...

Calvin Johnson & Drew Stanton > Jamarcus Russell & top WR left in the 2nd round.

 

[Hostile]

It's pretty funny how RedStink fans come here telling us about how they need to trade this and trade that and do this and do that, and restructure this and restructure that just to try and get under the salary cap and to get a few draft picks so they can sign some more bums to their 5-11 team.


The Cowboys have what...about 20 mil under the cap? They have what, 10 draft picks? They signed Big Foot to help the oline, they don't have to restructure this or that...the Cowboys are basically in good shape money wise...they have a very young and talented team and just lost a close 1st round playoff game on another fluke play...like the fluke play that the RedStinks beat the Boyz on last year..

Yet, here they are, again, thumping their little chests about THEIR playoff win...TWO YEARS AGO!

It has to suck to be a fan of that team!

About 16.6 million actually per Adam in the Daily Zone.

 

[5Stars]

About 16.6 million actually per Adam in the Daily Zone.

I just now saw that on page 7....

Adam is one brilliant dude! He has to be Steven Jones!

 

[1fisher]

It's pretty funny how RedStink fans come here telling us about how they need to trade this and trade that and do this and do that, and restructure this and restructure that just to try and get under the salary cap and to get a few draft picks so they can sign some more bums to their 5-11 team.


The Cowboys have what...about 20 mil under the cap? They have what, 10 draft picks? They signed Big Foot to help the oline, they don't have to restructure this or that...the Cowboys are basically in good shape money wise...they have a very young and talented team and just lost a close 1st round playoff game on another fluke play...like the fluke play that the RedStinks beat the Boyz on last year..

Yet, here they are, again, thumping their little chests about THEIR playoff win...TWO YEARS AGO!

It has to suck to be a fan of that team!

one that they could have easily lost if what's his name could have held on to the ball in the endzone!

and yea they have won 3 of the last 4 but we have won, what, 15 of the last 20????

let them gloat, heck, it's what they are accustomed to in the preseason!

They may even start the year off strong but we know where they will finish.....

 

[Sonny#9]

thumping their little chests about THEIR playoff win...TWO YEARS AGO!

It has to suck to be a fan of that team!

and yea they have won 3 of the last 4 but we have won, what, 15 of the last 20????

let them gloat, heck, it's what they are accustomed to in the preseason!

They may even start the year off strong but we know where they will finish.....

Ok I usually just come over here to see what's going w/ a rival team, news, rumors that sort of thing, but this post and thread in general just made me laugh. Really Cowboys fans love to pick apart the Commanders moves - but have they really done any better? What do they have to show for it the last 10 years? Your "winning streak" I guess. Big name deals TO, Vanderjagt, Rivera, etc. All were disappointments. Parcells came in and failed.

The Cowboys just gave $18.5 million guaranteed to a chronic under-acheiver who was essentially cut from one of the worst teams in the league. Sounds like a Dana Stubblefield move to me. Very "Snyder-esque."

Really - what leg do the Cowboys have to stand on? And spare me achievements from 20-30 years ago. They are guilty of everything you sit here and make fun of the Commanders for.

 

[Bob Sacamano]

They are guilty of everything you sit here and make fun of the Commanders for.

yeah, a great cap situation and home-grown talent spread throughout the roster

yeah, similar franchises here

 

[theogt]

Ok I usually just come over here to see what's going w/ a rival team, news, rumors that sort of thing, but this post and thread in general just made me laugh. Really Cowboys fans love to pick apart the Commanders moves - but have they really done any better? What do they have to show for it the last 10 years? Your "winning streak" I guess. Big name deals TO, Vanderjagt, Rivera, etc. All were disappointments. Parcells came in and failed.

The Cowboys just gave $18.5 million guaranteed to a chronic under-acheiver who was essentially cut from one of the worst teams in the league. Sounds like a Dana Stubblefield move to me. Very "Snyder-esque."

Really - what leg do the Cowboys have to stand on? And spare me achievements from 20-30 years ago. They are guilty of everything you sit here and make fun of the Commanders for.

I don't think you get it. The Cowboys have a young team full of talent and tons of draft picks to add to that young talent. The Commanders have an aging team with little talent and little, if any, hope for the future. Not having draft picks in the 2005 and 2006 drafts doesn't hurt you in 2007. It hurts you in 2009-10 and beyond. Look at the Cowboys. They made the stupid decisions during the late 90s and early 00s (see, e.g., Joey Galloway trade) and it hurt for a long time. You guys are headed down that same highway barrelling along at record speeds.

I hope this helped.

 

[Bob Sacamano]

and btw, we have had the cap situation these last few years to spend this money and not get the full rewards, and still be able to be set financially for the future

 

[Hostile]

Ok I usually just come over here to see what's going w/ a rival team, news, rumors that sort of thing, but this post and thread in general just made me laugh. Really Cowboys fans love to pick apart the Commanders moves - but have they really done any better? What do they have to show for it the last 10 years? Your "winning streak" I guess. Big name deals TO, Vanderjagt, Rivera, etc. All were disappointments. Parcells came in and failed.

But Commanders fans have no interest in picking apart Cowboys moves right? I mean hell, it shocks me to my core that you know we signed TO, Vanderjagt, & Rivera.

The Cowboys just gave $18.5 million guaranteed to a chronic under-acheiver who was essentially cut from one of the worst teams in the league. Sounds like a Dana Stubblefield move to me. Very "Snyder-esque."

One big difference that perhaps you don't grasp. The Cowboys paid what the market was dictating. The Commanders (see Adam Archuleta as an example) pay above the market value and screw up the market.

BTW, if you disagree with the statement above I ask you to find any team's fan site other than the Cowboys and find out what they think. I have a buddy who is a 49ers fan. On the phone last night without prompting he made fun of how the Commanders explode the Free Agent market with wild spending. He said this in response to the 49ers signing Clements. It isn't just Cowboys fans who think your team does it foolishly Scooter. Sorry to burst your bubble.

Oh, and for the record, I think we paid too much, but we had to make a move. That's life.

Really - what leg do the Cowboys have to stand on? And spare me achievements from 20-30 years ago. They are guilty of everything you sit here and make fun of the Commanders for.

Well, for one thing we haven't pissed away our Draft choices for several years in a row and told people that established players are better than Draft choices. We haven't traded the best CB on our team (possibly in the NFL) for a RB who was "perhaps" in the top 10 for RBs. We haven't given up 2 Draft choices for a player who rarely played.

7 sacks, 0 takeaways (Carter & Archuleta) and 5 TDs (Randle El, Lloyd, & Duckett). That's what your spending spree last year landed you Scooter. I don't even like TO, but I'll take his 13 TDs over that every damned season.

Basically the same success rate? Just a wild guess, but you weren't a Math Major were you?

 

[Sonny#9]

I don't think you get it. The Cowboys have a young team full of talent and tons of draft picks to add to that young talent. The Commanders have an aging team with little talent and little, if any, hope for the future. Not having draft picks in the 2005 and 2006 drafts doesn't hurt you in 2007. It hurts you in 2009-10 and beyond. Look at the Cowboys. They made the stupid decisions during the late 90s and early 00s (see, e.g., Joey Galloway trade) and it hurt for a long time. You guys are headed down that same highway barrelling along at record speeds.

I hope this helped.

What's worse: Not having draft picks, or picking players that can't play?

A young team on defense, yes, and there's talent, but there's also holes. The offense is getting up there. Jones is an average back at best. TO and Glenn are getting old - what was with the bonus that Glenn just got? Not to mention Glenn has ONLY succeeded under Parcells. No one else has been able to motivate him. The line is a question mark and getting older. I'll give you Crayton, Romo, Barber and Witten - but other than that, there isn't much there under 30.

For the most part the Commanders offense is young Portis, Betts, Campbell, Moss, Randel-El, Cooley are all well under 30. The Offensive line, depending on who they get to replace Dock, still has a couple good years left in them and they are a good one. They have made 2 solid moves, to help shore up the defense. Get an Alan Branch to help clog the middle, and that will go a long way to getting the defense out of the deep, deep hole it was in last year.

And, it sounds like Jerry is calling the shots again. What do they have in Garrett? He is a major question mark - he has 2 years TOTAL coaching exp. Oh be he wowed Jones in an interview. I am assuming so did Campo, Gailey and Switzer...Phillips is a retread and runs a loose ship from what I understand. Adams isn't known for his work ethic, what's he going to do under Phillips? Same goes for Davis. And what is TO going to do?

If you want to poke fun at the Skins to while ignoring your teams glaring definincies, I guess that's your business. I am willing to admit my teams mistakes and holes, I wonder how many of you are?

 

[Hostile]

What's worse: Not having draft picks, or picking players that can't play?

That's like asking...what's worse diarrhea or constipation?

A young team on defense, yes, and there's talent, but there's also holes. The offense is getting up there. Jones is an average back at best. TO and Glenn are getting old - what was with the bonus that Glenn just got? Not to mention Glenn has ONLY succeeded under Parcells. No one else has been able to motivate him. The line is a question mark and getting older. I'll give you Crayton, Romo, Barber and Witten - but other than that, there isn't much there under 30.

The bonus Glenn just got is a called a "roster bonus." They are fairly common throughout the NFL. In fact the Skins use them as well. Can I help you with any other confusing aspect of the NFL?

For the most part the Commanders offense is young Portis, Betts, Campbell, Moss, Randel-El, Cooley are all well under 30. The Offensive line, depending on who they get to replace Dock, still has a couple good years left in them and they are a good one. They have made 2 solid moves, to help shore up the defense. Get an Alan Branch to help clog the middle, and that will go a long way to getting the defense out of the deep, deep hole it was in last year.

You do realize that the premise of this thread is that you are possibly trading out of the 6 hole. How far do your fantasies tell you Alan Branch is going to drop?

And, it sounds like Jerry is calling the shots again. What do they have in Garrett? He is a major question mark - he has 2 years TOTAL coaching exp. Oh be he wowed Jones in an interview. I am assuming so did Campo, Gailey and Switzer...Phillips is a retread and runs a loose ship from what I understand. Adams isn't known for his work ethic, what's he going to do under Phillips? Same goes for Davis. And what is TO going to do?

Jerry always called the shots. He has always had the ultimate call on every deal since the day he bought the team. Same as any GM, some work out, some don't. If you imagine he is the same GM as the Campo days then you're simply out of touch.

Actually maybe you should fear that. Campo was 5-1 against you.

If you want to poke fun at the Skins to while ignoring your teams glaring definincies, I guess that's your business. I am willing to admit my teams mistakes and holes, I wonder how many of you are?

I am willing to point out the Cowboys flaws and holes. I will tell you this though, I don't go on another team's website and point out theirs. Not once in my life and never will.

You want to defend your team here, I will respect that. Try and insult ours and I won't. This is a Cowboys website. That is never going to change.

 

[sacase]

What's worse: Not having draft picks, or picking players that can't play?

Well considering the Commanders traded their draft pick and picked players who couldn't play with their FA money, I would have to say you guys are really in a world of hurt! :laugh2:

 

[WoodysGirl]

Ok I usually just come over here to see what's going w/ a rival team, news, rumors that sort of thing, but this post and thread in general just made me laugh. Really Cowboys fans love to pick apart the Commanders moves - but have they really done any better? What do they have to show for it the last 10 years? Your "winning streak" I guess. Big name deals TO, Vanderjagt, Rivera, etc. All were disappointments. Parcells came in and failed.

The Cowboys just gave $18.5 million guaranteed to a chronic under-acheiver who was essentially cut from one of the worst teams in the league. Sounds like a Dana Stubblefield move to me. Very "Snyder-esque."

Really - what leg do the Cowboys have to stand on? And spare me achievements from 20-30 years ago. They are guilty of everything you sit here and make fun of the Commanders for.

Is your name Joe?

Joe (Miami): It seems no one notices when the Commanders are not as active in free agency, but as soon as they make huge deals, everyone claims them to be the New York Yankees of football. How about all there other franchises that make huge splashes every year like Denver, New York, Dallas, and Miami...to name a few. They get no criticism for doing the same thing year in and year out, and failing to reach the super bowl just as well......

KC Joyner: (4:18 PM ET ) Joe, I think some of the backlast against the Skins is that their free agent signings are usually legendarily bad. Brandon Lloyd was an awful pickup last year. Smoot could be an OK nickel back for them but if they try to start him (which they might), he'll likely be another FA letdown. If their picks worked out a bit more often, they might not get as much heat.

 

[sacase]

That's like asking...what's worse diarrhea or constipation?

Well at least Diarrhea provides you some relief. Constipation just keeps it all in!

The bonus Glenn just got is a called a "roster bonus." They are fairly common throughout the NFL. In fact the Skins use them as well. Can I help you with any other confusing aspect of the NFL?

Maybe you should explain to them that its the thing they convert to a signing bonus to save cap space, they will understand then.

 

[Bob Sacamano]

What's worse: Not having draft picks, or picking players that can't play?

whatever that means

A young team on defense, yes, and there's talent, but there's also holes.

despite needing just another pass-rusher, and a FS, what holes are there?

The offense is getting up there. Jones is an average back at best.

the one year he was healthy, he rushed for 1,060 yards and averaged 4.1 yards per carry, he's average now, but will that always be the case? who knows?

TO and Glenn are getting old - what was with the bonus that Glenn just got? Not to mention Glenn has ONLY succeeded under Parcells. No one else has been able to motivate him. The line is a question mark and getting older. I'll give you Crayton, Romo, Barber and Witten - but other than that, there isn't much there under 30.

the only players on O who are over 30 are Flozell Adams, Terry Glenn, TO and Rivera, and Rivera isn't going to be a starter for much longer, TO and Terry Glenn are one of the best WR tandems in the NFL, much better than your trio of wideouts, and Flozell is only 2 years older than Samuels

For the most part the Commanders offense is young Portis, Betts, Campbell, Moss, Randel-El, Cooley are all well under 30.

The Offensive line, depending on who they get to replace Dock, still has a couple good years left in them and they are a good one. They have made 2 solid moves, to help shore up the defense. Get an Alan Branch to help clog the middle, and that will go a long way to getting the defense out of the deep, deep hole it was in last year.

you still have alot of work to do on D, your front 4 stinks, your LBs stink, and you dont' have any good cover guys in the secondary, except for Springs, but he's an injury risk at his age

And, it sounds like Jerry is calling the shots again.

it's going to be a joint-effort between Jerry, Jeff Ireland, the man who's played a huge role in the team being set-up as it is today in terms of personnel acquisitions, and Wade Philips

What do they have in Garrett?

one of the most innovative o-minds in the game

and Tony Sparano, the guy who directed the league's #4 offense will have a major role in how the O is run again

Phillips is a retread and runs a loose ship from what I understand.

where'd you get that from?

Adams isn't known for his work ethic, what's he going to do under Phillips? Same goes for Davis. And what is TO going to do?

it's all to be decided

If you want to poke fun at the Skins to while ignoring your teams glaring definincies, I guess that's your business. I am willing to admit my teams mistakes and holes, I wonder how many of you are?

we don't have many deficiencies, that's the thing though

you are so off-base, it's comical

 

[apickmans]

You want to defend your team here, I will respect that. Try and insult ours and I won't. This is a Cowboys website. That is never going to change.

The Skins fans here that dont post a lot need to realize that (i just started posting with some regularity). I mean what do you expect when you go into someone else's home and try to pick a fight, mostly likely you will get ganged up on. Hmm maybe that was a bad example but you get my point. Defending the Skins is fine, I do it myself too but remember this is a Cowboys forum, our teams fans bases dont exactly like each other.

Also there will be some cowboys posters that will just post something ridiculous to get a rise outta you. You cant respond to everyone, it will drive you crazy sometimes haha