LMAO @ Commanders.

[Bob Sacamano]

Who the hell is bragging son?

I am just stating facts here, Washington is 9.3 under the cap. What the hell difference does it make except it is what it is

If you are gonna debate football like a man, talk to me. If not, just put me on ignore and don't read my posts kid

if you don't like how I talk to you, then why don't you get off my board sister?

btw, you've made at least 2 consecutive posts telling us that you can keep Springs and still have 'plenty' of cap space

 

[CowboyChris]

Bly
1st Round Pick
2nd Round Pick
3rd Round Pick

for

1st Round Pick

This would be a great deal for the Skins! *** are you talking about?

and shawn springs

 

[SkinsHokieFan]

and shawn springs

No. Those combo of picks and Bly= the 6th overall pick (in terms of points)

Springs could be a completely seperate deal. In fact, the Commanders do not need to deal Springs at all

 

[smarta5150]

Dre Bly would still have to deal with the gaping hole that is Sean Taylor.

 

[SkinsHokieFan]

Dre Bly would still have to deal with the gaping hole that is Sean Taylor.

He would have to deal with the gaping hole known as the Washington Commanders defense in its current form

However I'll take my chances with a secondary consisting of Smoot, Rogers, Bly, Taylor, and Pierson Prielau coming back

I have lots to say on our D, but its family. I keep it in house

Regardless, this deal is the right one and good one for the Commanders

The Commanders get another starting quality corner that is 2 years younger then our current top corner, and some badly needed picks in this draft

 

[smarta5150]

He would have to deal with the gaping hole known as the Washington Commanders defense in its current form

However I'll take my chances with a secondary consisting of Smoot, Rogers, Bly, Taylor, and Pierson Prielau coming back

I have lots to say on our D, but its family. I keep it in house

Regardless, this deal is the right one and good one for the Commanders

The Commanders get another starting quality corner that is 2 years younger then our current top corner, and some badly needed picks in this draft

One big mine shaft like hole could be filled with Alan Branch.

I hope you don't get him.

 

[SkinsHokieFan]

One big mine shaft like hole could be filled with Alan Branch.

I hope you don't get him.

Would rather fill lots of holes then one big hole

By moving down, we could draft potential starters at DT and DE, and OG

Or a DT, future MLB, DE

I would rather take the picks. And if you look at this draft, lots of depth at d-line

Not to mention when you look at the past 7 drafts, you get about as much production from d-lineman picked in the 20s as you do in the top 10

Alan Branch could be Richard Seymour or he could be Dewayne Robertson or Jimmy Kennedy. Jamal Anderson could be Courtney Brown

Hence why I'd like to take our chances with more picks in a deep draft at d-line

 

[Hostile]

Lot of attention to pay for a so so CB. I like Bly, but he's not an elite CB by any wild stretch. Love to have him, but not at any cost. He's only 5'9" but he has a nose for the ball.

This seems too steep a price for a non elite CB even if it fills a need. I think Denver is getting the better end of the deal.

If it even happens. Which I doubt.

 

[SkinsHokieFan]

Lot of attention to pay for a so so CB. I like Bly, but he's not an elite CB by any wild stretch. Love to have him, but not at any cost. He's only 5'9" but he has a nose for the ball.

This seems too steep a price for a non elite CB even if it fills a need. I think Denver is getting the better end of the deal.

If it even happens. Which I doubt.

Really? That is interesting

The Commanders would give up one pick for several plus a starting (not all world) caliber corner

If you are the Commanders, you are looking to get solid talent across the board, not the superstar in one position with no balance

Points add up. Positions of need add up. Which is why I don't think Denver has taken this trade yet

 

[apickmans]

I mean lets be honest. If we stay at 6th, dont trade down and select someone like Alan Branch, everyone on this board will go nuts saying "those Commanders idiots!! How could they not trade down and get more picks!!" We need to add depth to our team especially on defense and this trade makes sense to me at least.

 

[smarta5150]

I mean lets be honest. If we stay at 6th, dont trade down and select someone like Alan Branch, everyone on this board will go nuts saying "those Commanders idiots!! How could they not trade down and get more picks!!" We need to add depth to our team especially on defense and this trade makes sense to me at least.

I think I made it clear I will not be one of those calling you guys idiots.

I think he would be a GREAT pick.

 

[SkinsHokieFan]

I mean lets be honest. If we stay at 6th, dont trade down and select someone like Alan Branch, everyone on this board will go nuts saying "those Commanders idiots!! How could they not trade down and get more picks!!" We need to add depth to our team especially on defense and this trade makes sense to me at least.

Basically

One other thing. The trade down can be accomplished without Bly

It would have to include the following though

Denver's 1st, 2nd, and two 3rds= Washington's 6th

Then you can do a seperate deal involving Springs and Bly. The Commanders are in the drivers seat there, because Bly is in the last year of his deal and does not want to be in Denver. Springs is already signed for 2007 and will be cut after 2007 anyways

So why even hurry on that deal?

Trade down, get the picks, and get a bunch of good young players

 

[t.o.boys81]

Really? That is interesting

The Commanders would give up one pick for several plus a starting (not all world) caliber corner

If you are the Commanders, you are looking to get solid talent across the board, not the superstar in one position with no balance

Points add up. Positions of need add up. Which is why I don't think Denver has taken this trade yet

I agree with your point that they won't be getting a superstar corner, but still be getting good quality draft choices.

 

[Hostile]

Really? That is interesting

The Commanders would give up one pick for several plus a starting (not all world) caliber corner

If you are the Commanders, you are looking to get solid talent across the board, not the superstar in one position with no balance

Points add up. Positions of need add up. Which is why I don't think Denver has taken this trade yet

Yes, really.

First of all I never would have flushed so many draft picks down the drain the last few years. Now they look desperate to have Draft picks.

On top of this once again it looks like you're moving to soon before the Draft instead of seeing how it shakes out.

Tell me this, and be truthful. Let's say Brady Quinn is still there at 6. You don't think there aren't teams that would like to get ahead of Minnesota? You might be able to get an extra pick and only move down 3 or 4 spots instead of 15. You wouldn't prefer a higher 1st round pick and a higher pick in another round than where Denver is picking? Seriously?

I think it's a foolish move. But as I said, it hasn't happened yet.

 

[SkinsHokieFan]

Yes, really.

First of all I never would have flushed so many draft picks down the drain the last few years. Now they look desperate to have Draft picks.

On top of this once again it looks like you're moving to soon before the Draft instead of seeing how it shakes out.

Tell me this, and be truthful. Let's say Brady Quinn is still there at 6. You don't think there aren't teams that would like to get ahead of Minnesota? You might be able to get an extra pick and only move down 3 or 4 spots instead of 15. You wouldn't prefer a higher 1st round pick and a higher pick in another round than where Denver is picking? Seriously?

I think it's a foolish move. But as I said, it hasn't happened yet.

The "flushed" picks have been mostly through wasting them on RFA's like Matt Bowen, Chad Morton and Brandon Lloyd

However guys like Ladell Betts, Rock Cartwright, Derrick Dockery (yes he is gone but still effective), Fred Smoot, Chris Cooley

Not NE like, but not completely a waste

As I have stated, there is plenty of time to make this move. I hope the Commanders FO has patience and holds on until draft day. There is no rush to make any trade before then, because we have signed who we will sign in FA, have Springs under contract and for the most part have the roster set for 2007

This is NOT a Champ Bailey situation, where his franchise tag needed to be moved so we could sign guys like Griffin, Washington and Springs

In this case, the Commanders hold the cards. Wait until draft day, hopefully Quinn and Peterson fall, Denver or someone over reacts and you get your boy. If not draft Branch or Anderson and call it a day

Lots of options, lots of time. Me, I am hoping for more draft picks

At first you were arguing that its too much for Dre Bly. I said this deal can be done without Dre Bly. Now you are saying its foolish in general. Which is it? Or are we going to keep moving the goalposts on this one?

 

[Hostile]

The "flushed" picks have been mostly through wasting them on RFA's like Matt Bowen, Chad Morton and Brandon Lloyd

Jeez. You don't say?

I do believe that's what all of us Cowboys fans were telling you guys the last few years when you were flushing them. Oh and don't forget TJ "The Next Gerald Riggs" Duckett.

You should have listened to us then...and now, but you do whatever you want.

In this case, the Commanders hold the cards. Wait until draft day, hopefully Quinn and Peterson fall, Denver or someone over reacts and you get your boy. If not draft Branch or Anderson and call it a day

Lots of options, lots of time. Me, I am hoping for more draft picks

The other team also hold cards. Never forget that.

You can acquire more draft picks by the scenario I mentioned. Or were you not paying attention? Not as many picks, but higher value than Denver can offer. I asked you if you could see the sense of that or not.

I will say it again, if Washington does this, it is a mistake. Once again I will also qualify it. It hasn't happened yet.

 

[SkinsHokieFan]

Jeez. You don't say?

I do believe that's what all of us Cowboys fans were telling you guys the last few years when you were flushing them. Oh and don't forget TJ "The Next Gerald Riggs" Duckett.

You should have listened to us then...and now, but you do whatever you want.

Tough to listen to a team lacking a playoff win in 11 years and signing guys like Terrel Owens, or trading 2 first round draft picks for Joey Galloway. But we won't go there. Now back to the relevant discussion before your uneccessary tangent

The other team also hold cards. Never forget that.

You can acquire more draft picks by the scenario I mentioned. Or were you not paying attention? Not as many picks, but higher value than Denver can offer. I asked you if you could see the sense of that or not.

I will say it again, if Washington does this, it is a mistake. Once again I will also qualify it. It hasn't happened yet.

If you mean by holding cards, like in Denver's case, they don't have to make the trade. They can keep Bly and lose him to Washington next year during FA and get nothing out of him. They can also miss out on the high impact DE or RB they want

Now, as I have stated several times, the Commanders should be patient. There is no rush to do this until the Commanders are on the clock during the NFL draft. Springs is going nowhere, neither is Bly

And as I have stated, I am not looking for high picks in this draft. I am looking for quantity.

The perfect storm has been brewed for a trade. Denver is looking to move up. Washington down. Denver has a player who has local ties to the Virginia area. Washington has a player who wishes to move closer to his father in Texas.

It only makes too much sense. But in Hostile's world, damn'd if you do and damn'd if you don't.

Now move the goalposts back another 10 yards please.

 

[Bob Sacamano]

it's sad that the Skins have the 6th overall pick, but can't enjoy it

 

[Bob Sacamano]

Tough to listen to a team lacking a playoff win in 11 years and signing guys like Terrel Owens, or trading 2 first round draft picks for Joey Galloway. But we won't go there. Now back to the relevant discussion before your uneccessary tangent

TO led the team in receiving and the NFL in TD grabs

If you mean by holding cards, like in Denver's case, they don't have to make the trade. They can keep Bly and lose him to Washington next year during FA and get nothing out of him. They can also miss out on the high impact DE or RB they want

the Broncos aren't even talking to him about a contract extension, and dude will be 31 next year

they just signed Travis Henry, have Mike Bell, and there are plenty of DE candidates available in this draft, it's sad that you overvalue your organization

 

[AmishCowboy]

I don't think anyone here is going to disagree that the Galloway trade was stupid.