Lombardi says Dallas having "serious internal discussions" about releasing Owens

[texmex]

With or without TO, the defense needs to play at a higher level

With or without TO, the running game needs to perform at a higher level

With or without TO, the special teams needs to perform at a higher level

With or without TO, Romo needs to have better ball security

With or without TO, Wade needs to hold the other players more accountable


If TO has a negative effect on team chemistry, then cut his *** and work on other area of the game mentioned above. The freaking Eagles are playing in the NFC title game with Desean Jackson, Jason Avant, and Kevin Curtis at receiver. When you have a defense like the Eagles, Steelers, and Ravens, you don't need 11 pro bowlers on offense to get far in the playoffs.

 

[jobberone]

I don't want to go into the need of TO. I just want to ask one thing ?

Why do you all think that if TO wont be a cowboy next season he is going to be cut. I don't udnerstand why we shouldn't try to trade him ?!

We eat the sioning bonus in both cases and the other team can give him a new contract. So where is the problem. We should get a second for him at least. Would be stupid to cut him IMO.

Yes. But if you're going to release a player then they all sit back and wait for it. You cannot trade a player that's being considered for release. I doubt there are a lot of clubs wanting him bad enough to give up much for him.

If he's so good then why are you getting rid of him.

I do think it is a possibility they made a decision last season to cut TO in the offseason. If so why haven't they just done it though.

 

[casmith07]

The Owens persecution is terribly misguided. Did anyone see TO getting on Romo during the Giants win? Didn't think so.

Nope. And TO barely had any catches that game or yards.

 

[HanD]

looking at the big picture

what would be the best year to get out of TO's contract?

i don't know the specifics of his contract...i know we have some cap experts here. generally speaking, the more years of a contract a player plays out, the less of a "hit" you take when they are cut or retire because there is less signing bonus that was prorated over the life of the contract and is now accelerated into the current cap space.

i.e. 12 mil signing bonus , 6 year contract.

bonus counts 2 mil per year so if you cut him after the second year, the remaining 8 mil hits your cap. if you cut him after the 4th year, the remaining 4 mil hits your cap.

it all depends on his base salary structure, his contract specifics and then you compare that to his production on the field and/or distraction off of it.

maybe someone with more specifics of his contract can give a better idea. i just know that he JUST signed a 34million contract in 06/08.

***EDIT: found this from DMN: http://cowboysblog.***BANNED-URL***/archives/2008/06/terrell-owens-contract-numbers.html


Here are the contract figures for Terrell Owens' new deal with the Cowboys:
Total: four years, $34 million
Signing Bonus: $12.9 million
Base salaries:
2008 - $830,000
2009 - $2.670 million (He will also receive a roster bonus of $3.1 million)
2010 - $7.5 million
2011 - $7 million


***here's my best guess:
so dividing up the 12.9 mil over the 4 years...this would be his cap space each year (base salary + divided bonus over 4 years):


08 - 4.055 mil
09 - 8.995 including roster bonus?
10 - 10.725
11 - 10.225


here is what i think he will count towards cap that year if cut....(no base salary...just the remaining signing bonus all on that year's cap)
09 - 9.675 = save 700k
10 - 6.45 = save 4.3 mil
11 - 3.225 = save 7 mil


this is probably oversimplified because it also depends when you cut him (before or after june 1st). after june 1st, his bonus is spread over two years...


if cut after june 1 but before season of



09 - count 4.8375 this year (savings of 4.16 mil) and 4.8375 next year '10

10 - 3.225 in 10 and 3.225 in 11?


i could be all wrong on this so hopefully someone can correct me if i am....i know you experts are out there

 

[Bob Sacamano]

looks like Jerry might have ****ed himself

 

[5Stars]

if we get rid of Owens, we can turn into a ball-control offense, and still have big-play capabilities in the passing game

we have Romo at QB, a stud-#1 WR in Roy, and don't forget the speed of Austin to still make some big plays in the passing game

an offense that can pound it down your throat AND break your back with the long ball, will be a very hard one to defend

all depends if Garrett is willing to change his philosophy

Yes..!


I agree....


:starspin

 

[Rampage]

looks like Jerry might have ****ed himself

and the fans

 

[Bach]

and the fans

yeah, well, that's been ongoing for a dozen plus years.

 

[5Stars]

yeah, well, that's been ongoing for a dozen plus years.

And...we're still here! :

How pathetic is that?


:starspin

 

[TwentyOne]

Edit***

 

[Bach]

And...we're still here! :

How pathetic is that?


:starspin

yeah, we're fans. What does that have do with Jerry screwing us the last dozen+ years?

 

[Real1st]

As much as i love T.O. he is just too immature for his age. The dude is in his mid thirties and still acts like a kid. He is just not a positive figure in the locker room. I think this could help out Romo alot.

 

[HanD]

your numbers are not right.

for 2009:

base salary: $2.67 million (+ $3.1 million roster bonus due in June) = 5.77 mill
signing bonus: 4 year deal with 12.9 mill signing bonus = 12.9/4 = ~3.2 mill
-> 6.9 mill this year

if cut:
bas salary 0
remaining signing bonus: 12.9 * 3/4 = ~9.6 mill
-> 9.6 mill

cost to cut player: 9.6 mill - 6.9 mill = 2.7 mill plus 1 player missing!

that post was before i got the actual numbers. you'll notice i also said those were made up numbers. it was just a quick example for someone who didn't understand how the numbers worked. and your numbers are missing a roster bonus in march. his cap figure for this year is 8.995. see my second post.

and the 1 player could be a PS player or a cheap youngster for the minimum IMO....

WRRW
Austin
Crayton
Hurd
Stanback
Filler like amendola when he was still here.

 

[5Stars]

yeah, we're fans. What does that have do with Jerry screwing us the last dozen+ years?

He's not screwing me...! Maybe you?


If he is screwing you...you need to log out!

He's waiting....

 

[5Stars]

As much as i love T.O. he is just too immature for his age. The dude is in his mid thirties and still acts like a kid. He is just not a positive figure in the locker room. I think this could help out Romo alot.

And that causes problems for young guys to look up too.


:starspin

 

[SLATEmosphere]

Ya, I'm not sure why wouldnt trade Owens instead?? If we are going to release him..why not recieve a conditional pick(s)?..I know GM's dont trade for players who are going to get released anyway, but trading for Owens would guarentee you getting him..If he is released there is a pool of 3-4 other teams out there fighting to get him..Trading for him would guarentee that you got him. Am I wrong? Maybe there just arnt enough teams out there willing to trade for him

my.02

 

[TwentyOne]

Okay, let's try it this way.

$9 million if he is on the roster.

$9.6 million if he is cut.

A difference of $600,000. Not huge.

Yeah but you are missing one player also you have to replace AND you charge your salary with 9.6 mi8ll - i think together thats huge.

IF we were talking about 3 mill and 3.6 mill then the difference is also 6k but the charge is much less. You have to take that into account also!

You have to add that money for the new player also. And as much as TO may have declined he still is a good receiver IMO so you can't just say hey lets replace hime with a second round pick.

 

[Real1st]

Ya, I'm not sure why wouldnt trade Owens instead?? If we are going to release him..why not recieve a conditional pick(s)?..I know GM's dont trade for players who are going to get released anyway, but trading for Owens would guarentee you getting him..If he is released there is a pool of 3-4 other teams out there fighting to get him..Trading for him would guarentee that you got him. Am I wrong? Maybe there just arnt enough teams out there willing to trade for him

my.02

Who's going to trade for Owens?? Here is the baggage he brings.

36 year old receiver in a decline.
Serious Character issues
A Huge contract..

That will scare teams away. Unless we get rid of him for pretty much nothing.

 

[HanD]

Yeah but you are missing one player also you have to replace AND you charge your salary with 9.6 mi8ll - i think together thats huge.

IF we were talking about 3 mill and 3.6 mill then the difference is also 6k but the charge is much less. You have to take that into account also!

You have to add that money for the new player also. And as much as TO may have declined he still is a good receiver IMO so you can't just say hey lets replace hime with a second round pick.

i in no way stated that i wanted or didn't want this to happen. i'm actually still on the fence as to whether or not it is worth it to keep him or cut him. I merely put out the cap numbers for those that asked to see them.

and regardless to whether owens is making 3 mil or 9 mil, the ONLY difference is that our cap space would be 600k less without him and you need another WR. our cap space is what it is and the bottom line is cutting him would result in 600k less cap space.

 

[DragonCowboy]

http://img79.*************/img79/5631/ch81satdec202008094804pkb2.jpg

perfect.