Lombardi says Dallas having "serious internal discussions" about releasing Owens

[RoadRunner]

The difference in him being here and not is $600,000. Hardly a huge cap hit.

Its 9 million according to dadymat. That is huge.

 

[Kilyin]

All I'll say is if you cut TO, you better find another legitimate WR, because Roy "The Bum" Williams is not it.

 

[skinsscalper]

May as well cut Romo, Witten, Barber and Crayton, too. Their numbers were down this season, also.

Is T.O. perfect? Hell no! Think you're going to replace his numbers with Roy Williams? Lay off the pipe. When T.O.'s worst season is Williams' best and you think you can build a team around that productivity (or lack thereof) and actually improve, you're kidding yourself. The facts are in the numbers. Get T.O. the ball and we win. Dispute it all you want, it's there in black and white. The lack of offensive production had a lot less to do with T.O. than it did with an inept coaching staff and more specifically an inept Offensive Coordinator. Yes the players have to execute. No doubt about it. T.O. has a share in that responsibility. No arguement there, from me. But when you have a pass first offense that opposing defenses are calling the most simplistic they've ever seen and a WR corp that COLLECTIVELY went to the OC to find out why this "pass happy" offense isn't getting the ball to it's WRs, it goes WAAAAAY beyond T.O.

I'm no champion of T.O. I didn't like the idea of signing the guy in the first place. Since then, I've grown to like the guy's production. To toss him out the door and believe that Roy Williams is going to match his production (taking into account the sum of Williams career production, to this point), then you just simply don't pay attention. Roy Williams has never been, and will never be, a WR on Owens level. EVER. Homer it up all you want, but when it's all said and done, the Roy Williams trade will be viewed as a collosal failure, topped only by the Galloway trade. Getting rid of T.O. will never change that. In fact, the only thing getting rid of T.O. will do is make that entire blunder all that much more glaring.

 

[Kilyin]

Mike Singletary said it best, imo.

"I would rather play with 10 guys and get penalized all the way down the field, than play with "guys like that'".

You don't get penalized for having too few players on the field, only too many. Maybe Singletary got the same copy of the rulebook that McNabb did.

 

[Hostile]

Its 9 million according to dadymat. That is huge.

Okay, let's try it this way.

$9 million if he is on the roster.

$9.6 million if he is cut.

A difference of $600,000. Not huge.

 

[khiladi]

May as well cut Romo, Witten, Barber and Crayton, too. Their numbers were down this season, also.

Is T.O. perfect? Hell no! Think you're going to replace his numbers with Roy Williams? Lay off the pipe. When T.O.'s worst season is Williams' best and you think you can build a team around that productivity (or lack thereof) and actually improve, you're kidding yourself. The facts are in the numbers. Get T.O. the ball and we win. Dispute it all you want, it's there in black and white. The lack of offensive production had a lot less to do with T.O. than it did with an inept coaching staff and more specifically an inept Offensive Coordinator. Yes the players have to execute. No doubt about it. T.O. has a share in that responsibility. No arguement there, from me. But when you have a pass first offense that opposing defenses are calling the most simplistic they've ever seen and a WR corp that COLLECTIVELY went to the OC to find out why this "pass happy" offense isn't getting the ball to it's WRs, it goes WAAAAAY beyond T.O.


I'm no champion of T.O. I didn't like the idea of signing the guy in the first place. Since then, I've grown to like the guy's production. To toss him out the door and believe that Roy Williams is going to match his production (taking into account the sum of Williams career production, to this point), then you just simply don't pay attention. Roy Williams has never been, and will never be, a WR on Owens level. EVER. Homer it up all you want, but when it's all said and done, the Roy Williams trade will be viewed as a collosal failure, topped only by the Galloway trade. Getting rid of T.O. will never change that. In fact, the only thing getting rid of T.O. will do is make that entire blunder all that much more glaring.

get off the pipe... (sarcasm off)Good post...

 

[khiladi]

Okay, let's try it this way.

$9 million if he is on the roster.

$9.6 million if he is cut.


A difference of $600,000. Not huge.

Not taking into account his production on the field...

 

[Hostile]

Not taking into account his production on the field...

That wasn't the question I was answering.

 

[TheDude]

Except the $9.6M will yield no player + you will spend more on a replacement.

TO was not the problem. You throw out the Brad Johnson games and his stats were similar to last year.

 

[dallasfaniac]

Except the $9.6M will yield no player + you will spend more on a replacement.

Some would argue it's addition by subtraction. I am not in the locker room so I don't know the validity though.

 

[bbgun]

I'm no champion of T.O. I didn't like the idea of signing the guy in the first place. Since then, I've grown to like the guy's production. To toss him out the door and believe that Roy Williams is going to match his production (taking into account the sum of Williams career production, to this point), then you just simply don't pay attention. Roy Williams has never been, and will never be, a WR on Owens level. EVER. Homer it up all you want, but when it's all said and done, the Roy Williams trade will be viewed as a collosal failure, topped only by the Galloway trade. Getting rid of T.O. will never change that. In fact, the only thing getting rid of T.O. will do is make that entire blunder all that much more glaring.

I seriously doubt that the Cowboys are contemplating such a move because they think he's "losing it" on the field. And since the team is not on the cusp of greatness or anything special (deal with it), now is the perfect time to start anew. Last time I checked, a ragtag, "non-sexy" receiving corps didn't stop Philly or Baltimore from advancing deep into the playoffs.

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[28 Joker]

A lot of you guys make Romo sound like a wimp, weak-willed, head cased QB. If Romo has these kinds of issues, which i seriously doubt, then Romo would need to hit the road every bit as much as you think TO should. If Romo can't handle the pressure of a QB who wants the ball more, then how the hell is he ever going to face the pressure of winning playoff games?

A lot of you guys pushing for the "cut TO" are also a lot of the same guys who complain when other posters make knee jerk reactions like wanting to cut Romo, or whoever else for a bad game or season, or claiming they are upset over the performance (these posters are often met with accusations of jumping off the bandwagon, and unreasonable so at that). Well, you guys are acting no different on the TO issue. No different at all.

RoadRunner,

I was a guy who looked the other way when Owens misbehaved, because he did have a great year last year. I supported Pacman, and I look stupid now. I looked the other way on Tank.

I'm done looking the other way. If the team is going to go 9-7, they should at least do it the "right way". I'm sure other people feel the same way. This is about the Dallas Cowboys, who are watching two 9 win teams play in the NFC Championship Game, after winning 9 games with 13 win talent. This isn't about iOwens. It is about 52 other people in the lockerroom. It is about what is better for the team.

When the ship is taking on water, Terrell Owens doesn't grab a bucket. He grabs people like Jason Garrett and Tony Romo and tosses them in the Atlantic Ocean. That says all I need to know about Terrell Owens. It is consistent with his distinguished track record. It gets him booted out of town.

Is that the kind of player you want on your team? Is that the type of player you want Scandrick and Jenkins looking at?

How anyone can defend this guy's behavior is beyond me. He is an iplayer.

Jerry Jones thought if you paid Owens, he would behave. He turned out to be wrong. You can't appease eratic bullies. That was Jason Garrett, Tony Romo, and Jason Witten that Owens appeared to steam-roll in the media and in the lockerroom. Owens' divisive presence in the lockerroom is real, imo.

 

[TheDude]

Some would argue it's addition by subtraction. I am not in the locker room so I don't know the validity though.

Most people here have it figured out. It's all TO.

The main problem this year were

• Injuries (Felix Jones being #1, Kosier #2, Safety#3, Romo #4)
• PLay calling/discipline - throwing it up for grabs/good as a punt mentality
• coaching/evaluation - Brad Johnson, Proctor, Bollinger, Watkins did not belong on this team. We kept abunch of JAGs and let potential go
• Romo had a terrible year, worse than TO by miles. Be honest and look back at him floating passes and getting Witten killed, out of bounds 50 yds down field to TO, Missing Roy W, Crayton, ints in the red zone, funmbles in the end zone.

Hate on TO all you want, but this offense will struggle w/o TO. TO has room for improvement in routes, but not as much as 90% of the others

 

[5Stars]

I was a big T.O. fan when he came to the Cowboys because I thought maybe he was just misunderstood. Now? I wish he would just hit the freaking road!

He is such a mouth that he polerizes us fans, can you imagine what he's doing to the team?

I really hate to eat the crow...but, it would make me real happy to see T.O. wear a tee shirt that said...

iAm Cut.

However, he'll be with the Boyz next year...mouth and all!


:bang2:

 

[skinsscalper]

I seriously doubt that the Cowboys are contemplating such a move because they think he's "losing it" on the field. And since the team is not on the cusp of greatness or anything special (deal with it), now is the perfect time to start anew. Last time I checked, a ragtag, "non-sexy" receiving corps didn't stop Philly or Baltimore from advancing deep into the playoffs.

http://img79.*************/img79/5631/ch81satdec202008094804pkb2.jpg

I disagree to a certain extent. I think with the right scheme and coaching combined with the collection of talent on this team that the Cowboys COULD be on the cusp of something great. I'm not convinced that addition by subtraction is the answer. It's entirely possible that I'm wrong. I've got no problem with that. And, if we are going to "start anew" a whole hell of a lot more needs to be done than cutting T.O. We can start with that pansy ***** coaching staff. Something Baltimore and Philly seem to have covered and don't really have to worry about.

Love that pic BTW. Believe it or not, it was one of my proudest moments as a Cowboys fan.

 

[Beast_from_East]

Lets make this real simple.

Tell TO that the team is going to come first in 09 and that requires the following:


A. No more complaining about not getting the ball.

B. No more complaining about the scheme.

C. No more complaining about the play calling.

D. No more complaining after a loss you were open.

E. No more lobbying Romo for the ball on the sideline.

If TO cant do these things, be a team player, and conduct himself accordingly, then I welcome him back.

If TO has a problem with ANYTHING LISTED, then I cut his arse!!!

 

[JBS]

Lets make this real simple.

Tell TO that the team is going to come first in 09 and that requires the following:


A. No more complaining about not getting the ball.

B. No more complaining about the scheme.

C. No more complaining about the play calling.

D. No more complaining after a loss you were open.

E. No more lobbying Romo for the ball on the sideline.

If TO cant do these things, be a team player, and conduct himself accordingly, then I welcome him back.

If TO has a problem with ANYTHING LISTED, then I cut his arse!!!

If you honestly believe having a single conversation with TO will prohibit A-E from happening then you are delusional. You might as well cut him now because you are living in a fairy tail.

 

[5Stars]

Lets make this real simple.

Tell TO that the team is going to come first in 09 and that requires the following:


A. No more complaining about not getting the ball.

B. No more complaining about the scheme.

C. No more complaining about the play calling.

D. No more complaining after a loss you were open.

E. No more lobbying Romo for the ball on the sideline.

If TO cant do these things, be a team player, and conduct himself accordingly, then I welcome him back.

If TO has a problem with ANYTHING LISTED, then I cut his arse!!!

That's not his style...never has been, and most likely never will be.

How sad is that?


For a man with his talent...it's not worth the trouble.

 

[TNCowboy]

TO is an old man in NFL years.

How many receivers 35 and older played at a high level? Jerry Rice was merely good, after playing probably the greatest football any WR ever played before his mid-30s. There were a few who had some good seasons, but none of them, including Rice were elite players at 35+.

TO won't be the exception. It's hard for his apologists to admit, but he wasn't improperly used. He simply struggled at times to beat coverage. Thrown in some of his half-hearted attempts at running patterns with his lockerroom drama, and it's a no-brainer: you kick him to the curb.

I'd say they're seriously considering it, but I suspect Jerry Jones' ego will make the decision to keep him in the hopes he can turn it around.

 

[skinsscalper]

I seem to remember Jerry Rice did quite a bit of lobbying for the ball, too. He should have been cut ten years before he retired.