Looking back: Was it a mistake not to go back to Romo

[Corso]

After all these years and thousands upon thousands of posts...
Why do you peeps keep trying to convince each other of things that they/you will never be convinced over?

Talk about banging your collective heads against walls.

Boredom? Stupidity?
Who is going to win a war of words with @Super_Kazuya ?
Who is going to win a war of words with @America's Cowboy ?
Who is going to win a war of words with @Aviano90 ?
Who is going to win a war of words with killa @khiladi ?
Who is going to win a war of words with almost anybody here?

You guys keep dragging horses to water, and you're expecting them to drink after they've refused hundreds of times?

I'd like to say it's tiresome, but I guess this comes with the territory.

I'm not going to even mention... well I'm not going to mention him.


Ah... I felt release typing that. That was mildly therapeutic!

 

[Super_Kazuya]

Are you telling me that rushing TD's don't count for points like a passing TD? Wow, who knew?

Sure there are others that could run, but not also be a threat to pass, which is why those rushing TD's occur. Opponents play the pass, and Dak runs. Romo couldn't do that, so those are TD's Dak accounted for that Romo wouldn't have. The point is, after all, to score.

Would you disregard all Lamar Jackson's stats last year because so much of it is running? Face it, the goal is to score, and if a QB can find a way to make that happen with his legs as well as his arm, it counts.

No I would state them clearly and not try to add them up to deceive. And no I didn't say it didn't "count". I said that they are not comparable and no one makes the comparison outside of Dak slobberers. When Drew Brees passed Peyton Manning for the all-time TD record, it was for passing TDs. There was no celebration when he passed him in rushing tds + passing tds because nobody cares about rushing tds from a QB. Nobody cares about Dak getting a rushing TD on a fake handoff while 11 defenders chase Zeke, especially other QBs who just actually hand it off to be done with it. And many QBs are forbidden by their coaches to run anyway.
Dak had 23 TD passes and Romo had 34 TD passes.. on less attempts. No matter how hard you try to spin it, there's nothing you can do about it.
Now if you want to also say Dak had 6 rush TDs while Romo had 0, that's fine. No one cares.. that's what Murray was for. The 2014 Cowboys scored more points than the 2016 Cowboys and letting Murray get those TDs worked for that team. What Murray or Zeke can't do is throw TD passes.. and neither can Dak, nearly as well as Romo.

 

[DandyDon52]

The rushing champ was on the bench that drive.

lol even better!!!!! lol

 

[DandyDon52]

After all these years and thousands upon thousands of posts...
Why do you peeps keep trying to convince each other of things that they/you will never be convinced over?

Talk about banging your collective heads against walls.

Boredom? Stupidity?
Who is going to win a war of words with @Super_Kazuya ?
Who is going to win a war of words with @America's Cowboy ?
Who is going to win a war of words with @Aviano90 ?
Who is going to win a war of words with killa @khiladi ?
Who is going to win a war of words with almost anybody here?

You guys keep dragging horses to water, and you're expecting them to drink after they've refused hundreds of times?

I'd like to say it's tiresome, but I guess this comes with the territory.

I'm not going to even mention... well I'm not going to mention him.


Ah... I felt release typing that. That was mildly therapeutic!

some people like to bang their heads corso, there was even a song about it lol "bang your head"
cant remember the group, but a catchy tune.
well here it is lol

 

[Corso]

some people like to bang their heads corso, there was even a song about it lol "bang your head"
cant remember the group, but a catchy tune.
well here it is lol

Awesome song.

 

[Aviano90]

lol even better!!!!! lol

Depends. Since this drive is used as evidence he was this unstoppable QB and it was done without Zeke, it removes the excuse the RBs in 2015 sucked and that’s why he didn’t perform very well, even before his injury.

 

[SteveTheCowboy]

I didn't claim to know what either would have done with the other team. We were talking about statistics, and I pointed to a statistical comparison.

As for that Romo drive in the last game of the season that had no bearing on the post season, yes, it was a nice drive. No question about that. But you can't give Romo the edge based on that moment out of the entirety of the season. That makes no sense. Why not just pick one drive Dak had out of the season - those who support Dak pick the best one they can find, and those that don't pick the worst one they can find. But the reality is neither would tell the story of the entire season, and what Romo did in that moment doesn't tell the story of what he would have done if healthy the entire season.

In any case, I never claimed Romo wasn't a strong QB, so I don't know what your point is anyway. I was only pointing out some aren't viewing Dak by the same standards.

My point" was throwing out stats. You surely had some sort of agenda...aside form throwing out stats. You don;t just throw out stats unelss you had a point to make. So....not buying it.

I give you that drive because it's what we've got. We actually SAW him run the team. Yes...briefly. Why would you pull him RIGHT AFTER that? Talk about "makes no sense". Let him play....the rest of the game at least.

I am very suspicious...of why Tony was benched after that drive. Doesn't make any sense.

 

[SteveTheCowboy]

The rushing champ was on the bench that drive.

Thank you for the correction! I've forgotten a lot about that game...as well as MANY MANY things! Who was the RB?

So Tony did that without the NFL rushing champ? Hmmmm....welll okay then! COOL!

 

[SteveTheCowboy]

Depends. Since this drive is used as evidence he was this unstoppable QB and it was done without Zeke, it removes the excuse the RBs in 2015 sucked and that’s why he didn’t perform very well, even before his injury.

It certainly does "depend". It depends on our agenda. We all have one...even pretending you don;t have any agenda is...an agenda.

(not YOU you,......just "you" in general)

 

[Aviano90]

Thank you for the correction! I've forgotten a lot about that game...as well as MANY MANY things! Who was the RB?

So Tony did that without the NFL rushing champ? Hmmmm....welll okay then! COOL!

Yes. he did. Here is another nugget of info. I believe they had already pulled Dez from the game.

That means not having Zeke/Murray and Dez getting injured in 2015 shouldn’t be a good excuse for our offense struggling with Romo in 2015.

I remember Romo’s 2015 performance was brushed off as not being a big enough sample size to count when pro-Romo fans would argue Romo should come back. Then this drive occurred and the small sample size argument went out the window and the Legend of Tony Romo grew considerably.

Now people will focus on the 3-1 record in 2015, however the Dak haters have crapped on beating teams with a losing record in an attempt to bash Dak and now that record isn’t impressive anymore. The 3 wins came against a 6-10, 7-9 and 6-10 record teams. He got destroyed when playing against a team with a winning record.

Maybe one day the Romo loving Dak haters will quit trying to create things to complain about Dak that can also be used to trash Romo. Who knows?

 

[Aviano90]

It certainly does "depend". It depends on our agenda. We all have one...even pretending you don;t have any agenda is...an agenda.

(not YOU you,......just "you" in general)

I clearly have an agenda. I have stated it openly many times. I point out the hypocrisy in people’s arguments. I was actually a huge fan of Romo when he was QB.

I openly admit I am a Zeke Hater and was a Dez hater. Don’t hide from it, won’t deny it, and don’t feel bad about it. However, I am not unfair, dishonest nor do I have double standards.

I don’t understand why people can’t just admit their biases. The lies about just trying to be objective while being hypocritical is comical.

 

[nalam]

First of all, all three of a), b), and c) apply to Dez's catch.

Dez clearly does that by catching the ball, securing it and then switching the ball into only his left hand, and then attempts to reach for the goal line,
There is no mention of the "extent" required when it comes to a "move common to the game". They are both the same football moves, i.e., a reach for the goal line, one more limited by the velocity (speed and direction) of the particular player.

This was my main beef with that ruling the catch was completed by the time He switched the ball to the other hand, so any ruling on going to the ground is either caught and fumbled and regained possession or nofumble at all.
Thats why I couldn’t understand the ruling, ofcourse years after we know that was a catch , but robbed us a playoff chance.

 

[Sevenup3000]

Once again, why didn't Romo win the SB in 2015?

 

[DandyDon52]

Depends. Since this drive is used as evidence he was this unstoppable QB and it was done without Zeke, it removes the excuse the RBs in 2015 sucked and that’s why he didn’t perform very well, even before his injury.

To be honest I dont remember the first 2 games of that season, and the other 2 were games he should not have been in the game.
And it wasnt the lack of a good rb, it was that losing murray caused linehan and I guess jg to change the offense away from what it was
with murray in 2014.

Losing murray caused that change and it was significant.
Had they drafted elliot that year instead of 16, they would have probably stayed with the same philosophy and strategy as in 14.

And even though the rb group they had was decent, losing murray changed the mindset of the players and the play caller linehan.

And Romo on that 1 drive was a small sample, and really just showcased his passing skills. Had he played more he would have needed elliot.

 

[DandyDon52]

My point" was throwing out stats. You surely had some sort of agenda...aside form throwing out stats. You don;t just throw out stats unelss you had a point to make. So....not buying it.

I give you that drive because it's what we've got. We actually SAW him run the team. Yes...briefly. Why would you pull him RIGHT AFTER that? Talk about "makes no sense". Let him play....the rest of the game at least.

I am very suspicious...of why Tony was benched after that drive. Doesn't make any sense.

There was only one reason to not let romo play another series, and it was because he looked too good, and they didnt want a
qb controversy . I was surprised and disappointed at the time.
However his last pass was a td pass, so maybe he wanted that to be his last play, so I guess that is a possibility.

 

[Aviano90]

To be honest I dont remember the first 2 games of that season, and the other 2 were games he should not have been in the game.
And it wasnt the lack of a good rb, it was that losing murray caused linehan and I guess jg to change the offense away from what it was
with murray in 2014.

Losing murray caused that change and it was significant.
Had they drafted elliot that year instead of 16, they would have probably stayed with the same philosophy and strategy as in 14.

And even though the rb group they had was decent, losing murray changed the mindset of the players and the play caller linehan.

And Romo on that 1 drive was a small sample, and really just showcased his passing skills. Had he played more he would have needed elliot.

What do you think changed with the offense? The first drive of 2015 was 17 plays and lasted almost 10.5 minutes. We eventually had to become pass happy at the end of the first half due to time and end of 2nd half due to being behind 2 scores but we were still playing ball control.

 

[SultanOfSix]

The former rules director of the NFL telling you how a rule works seeing as he had direct experience with it is irrelevant, huh? He address the very part of this argument you're disputing, that Item 1 takes precedence over the main catch rule when it's deemed to apply. Plus, he mentions Dez Bryant by name. Yup. I'd avoid that too, as I said.

Argument from authority is fallacious. The rule is written in the English language. A language contains terms that correspond to concepts which have meaning. None of the words in the rule explicitly state that Item 1 "takes precedence" over "the main catch" rule. That is what is called post facto rationalization by an NFL spokesperson. He doesn't even use the right terminology. Item 1 would merely come into play if c) can be justifiably questioned, which can only occur if the player is unable (because he is in no position to enable himself to execute a move "common to the game"): "Note 1: It is not necessary that he commit such an act, provided that he maintains control of the ball long enough to do so". Now that I think about it even more, this renders all of "going to the ground" irrelevant because it is simply a judgement call that is disputable as to whether Dez couldn't do at least one of those things in c) referenced as an example after doing a) and b), especially an attempt to pitch the ball since he clearly had two hands on it and had control enough to move the ball to grasp it in his forearm and attempt a reach with it after both feet touched the ground.

"We wuz robbed," "interpretive dance around a rule" = CONSPIRACY! Own it.

The term robbed in the colloquial football context has the connotation of believing that something was taken from your team that they rightfully possess. Conspiracy implies a nefarious intention by two or more league officials to willfully remove that possession. Learn terminology.

Yes, Johnson clearly "pinned" the ball to the ground here and it hit the ground "again" as you said. Even YOU don't know what you're saying anymore.

Yes, I do. Johnson pinned the ball with one hand with his hand on top of the ball and its bottom on the ground clear for the world to see as he came down on his butt using it to brace his fall. After that the ball was lifted slightly in the air when he tries to grip it with his hand which he fails to do. Watch the video.

The ball was both touching the ground and secured in Dez' forearm (clear as day in stills taken from video that was reviewed) until the force of the ground jarred the ball out of his grip until lost possession in rolling over into the endzone. That is his "process of contacting the ground" where the rule states the ball can't touch the ground and come out of his possession. It did both. Captured on video for review. Dead in the water.

No it's not "clear as day". And like I said, the rule states, "If he loses control of the ball, and the ball touches the ground before he regains control, the pass is incomplete." Read the sentence over and over gain and pay attention to what the language explicitly states about sequence. The first phrase precedes the second phrase and this positioning also implies a prior sequence in time which means he has to have lost the control of the ball before it hits the ground. The "before he regains control" is redundant, but nevertheless it emphasizes the situation even more. But that doesn't apply to Dez when he makes the reach because he had control well before that point. That only applies to when the ball is jarred loose due to the force of ground knocking his arm and the ball upwards out of the full possession of his arm into a slight bobble which he catches anyway before it can hit the ground.

Yes, Dez made a "attempt" at a goal line lunge. And didn't execute. That's the point of the overturn. If he executed the lunge then it would have proved "time enough". No one was holding him up preventing him from doing anything so if he had time enough, he would have executed. He didn't. The officials even said they looked for it and it wasn't there.

He did execute. He just didn't execute to a undefined standard of extent that you presume to apply, which is irrelevant anyway because all the rule requires is that the receiver must have enough control to enable him to execute such a move.

 

[pete026]

 

[SteveTheCowboy]

Yes. he did. Here is another nugget of info. I believe they had already pulled Dez from the game.

That means not having Zeke/Murray and Dez getting injured in 2015 shouldn’t be a good excuse for our offense struggling with Romo in 2015.

I remember Romo’s 2015 performance was brushed off as not being a big enough sample size to count when pro-Romo fans would argue Romo should come back. Then this drive occurred and the small sample size argument went out the window and the Legend of Tony Romo grew considerably.

Now people will focus on the 3-1 record in 2015, however the Dak haters have crapped on beating teams with a losing record in an attempt to bash Dak and now that record isn’t impressive anymore. The 3 wins came against a 6-10, 7-9 and 6-10 record teams. He got destroyed when playing against a team with a winning record.

Maybe one day the Romo loving Dak haters will quit trying to create things to complain about Dak that can also be used to trash Romo. Who knows?

So since you seem to be such an expert....why DID rom "Struggle" in 2015. Are now to say good QB's DON;t have a season of "struggling"?

Brady "struggled" in 2019...and that was AL his fault, right?

Maybe one day people will have some semblance of consistency in their logic when bashing Romo. Who knows?

 

[SteveTheCowboy]

I clearly have an agenda. I have stated it openly many times. I point out the hypocrisy in people’s arguments. I was actually a huge fan of Romo when he was QB.

I openly admit I am a Zeke Hater and was a Dez hater. Don’t hide from it, won’t deny it, and don’t feel bad about it. However, I am not unfair, dishonest nor do I have double standards.

I don’t understand why people can’t just admit their biases. The lies about just trying to be objective while being hypocritical is comical.

I hear ya man. I have openly admitted i know very little about being a critical NFL expert. And I am a PURE Dallas Cowboys homer, rose-colored glasses proud pom pom waving cheer leader.

That is my agenda.