Looking like we'll be facing Brady after all

[Manwiththeplan]

No - the NFLPA agreed to the arbitration process.

And that's also the problem: no guidelines were negotiated or collectively bargained. The NFLPA's one failure, in this regard, is not demanding a black-and-white standard for application of the rules for player discipline.

Yea, but that's not necessarily what the judge is ruling on. It's not, does Goodell have the right under the CBA to deliver punishment as well as be the one decisions get appealed to. It's did this punishment follow the CBA, and there's really only answer you can come away with.

 

[dallasdave]

Yea, but that's not necessarily what the judge is ruling on. It's not, does Goodell have the right under the CBA to deliver punishment as well as be the one decisions get appealed to. It's did this punishment follow the CBA, and there's really only answer you can come away with.

Give Goodell the chair!!!!

 

[Kevinicus]

according to the CBA, what Brady did is worth a fine. On top of that, while I know he's guilty, the evidence tying it to him is really circumstantial.

You're not equating this to an equipment violation are you?

 

[Manwiththeplan]

You're not equating this to an equipment violation are you?

is this specific rule not covered?

 

[Kevinicus]

is this specific rule not covered?

There is, which says it could be anywhere from a $25,000 fine to...unlimited I guess. There is not top end. It says the punishment would at least include a fine of such an amount, but is not limited to that.

 

[CATCH17]

Imagine beating Seattle last year without Russell Wilson? It's just not the same.

I want Brady on the field vs Dallas.

I want a chance at boosting this teams confidence through the roof after they beat the World Champs.

 

[dallasdave]

Let Brady play, if you want to be the best you have to beat the best. Or as Rick Flair would say "to be the man you have to beat the man".

 

[PA Cowboy Fan]

Imagine beating Seattle last year without Russell Wilson? It's just not the same.

I want Brady on the field vs Dallas.

I want a chance at boosting this teams confidence through the roof after they beat the World Champs.

I want a win. I don't care if Brady's on the field or not.

 

[Manwiththeplan]

There is, which says it could be anywhere from a $25,000 fine to...unlimited I guess. There is not top end. It says the punishment would at least include a fine of such an amount, but is not limited to that.

For starters, it was a rhetorical question, I'm aware that this is covered. Second, just because there is no top end does not mean Goodell has the leeway to make the punishment what ever he wants. Could he in theory have banned Brady for life based off this one instance? I guess technically, but a judge would over throw it, just like they are about to do to this one.

 

[chris1995]

I want a win. I don't care if Brady's on the field or not.

 

[KB1122]

The judge was trying to bluff the NFL into a settlement. They called it. They'll win.

 

[Rogah]

There is, which says it could be anywhere from a $25,000 fine to...unlimited I guess. There is not top end. It says the punishment would at least include a fine of such an amount, but is not limited to that.

That's why precedent plays such a large role. Jay Feely was personally on hand to testify (in chambers) that when his team got caught red-handed illegally tampering with k-balls, he got absolutely zero punishment.

You can't give one guy no punishment at all and then give the next guy a 4 game suspension for the exact same "crime." That's the textbook definition of "arbitrary and capricious."

 

[Yakuza Rich]

according to the CBA, what Brady did is worth a fine. On top of that, while I know he's guilty, the evidence tying it to him is really circumstantial.

The evidence is not all circumstantial. The texts are not really circumstantial. It's a discussion to deflate footballs for a monetary reward.

And as some people don't realize...court cases get tried with convictions all of the time based on circumstantial evidence.





YR

 

[Yakuza Rich]

That's why precedent plays such a large role. Jay Feely was personally on hand to testify (in chambers) that when his team got caught red-handed illegally tampering with k-balls, he got absolutely zero punishment.

You can't give one guy no punishment at all and then give the next guy a 4 game suspension for the exact same "crime." That's the textbook definition of "arbitrary and capricious."

Did Feeley try and cover up the evidence? Did Feeley destroy his cell phone?

Did Feeley and his friends call themselves the 'tamperer' and then claim it was a guy that was starting to wear tampons or whatever lame excuse?





YR

 

[Manwiththeplan]

The evidence is not all circumstantial. The texts are not really circumstantial. It's a discussion to deflate footballs for a monetary reward.

And as some people don't realize...court cases get tried with convictions all of the time based on circumstantial evidence.





YR

admittedly, I lost interest in this case months ago, but I was under the impression that they did not have any of Brady's texts (or a small amount) because he destroyed his phone? do they have any texts that actually discuss deflating footballs?

 

[Manwiththeplan]

Did Feeley try and cover up the evidence? Did Feeley destroy his cell phone?

Did Feeley and his friends call themselves the 'tamperer' and then claim it was a guy that was starting to wear tampons or whatever lame excuse?





YR

so lying is the difference between 0 games and 4?

 

[Rogah]

The evidence is not all circumstantial. The texts are not really circumstantial. It's a discussion to deflate footballs for a monetary reward.

And as some people don't realize...court cases get tried with convictions all of the time based on circumstantial evidence.

The NFL lawyer admitted under oath that there is no direct evidence against Brady.

 

[Rogah]

Did Feeley try and cover up the evidence? Did Feeley destroy his cell phone?

No, because there was no investigation of Feely when the Jets equipment manager was caught tampering with k-balls - which is totally the point I am making.

You can't give one guy a totally free pass and then conduct a 4 month sham of an investigation and levy a 4 game suspension against another guy for the exact same "crime".

 

[Yakuza Rich]

admittedly, I lost interest in this case months ago, but I was under the impression that they did not have any of Brady's texts (or a small amount) because he destroyed his phone? do they have any texts that actually discuss deflating footballs?

The texts were with McNally and Jastremski saying that Tom wanted the footballs deflated and Jastremski would do it for cash, sneakers (and I believe autographs). The silly excuse from Pats homers is that they were deflating it to the minimal amount because Brady got overinflated footballs before. But, that doesn't explain the fact that if Brady wants them to do their job, legallly, then they are going to do it without Brady having to pay them. He only pays them when they are doing something illegal and their butt is on the line if they get caught.

Oh yeah...again, they fired both guys after the Wells Report came out. Guess they were innocent because we all know you fire guys for something they didn't do.




YR

 

[Rogah]

admittedly, I lost interest in this case months ago, but I was under the impression that they did not have any of Brady's texts (or a small amount) because he destroyed his phone? do they have any texts that actually discuss deflating footballs?

Brady refused to give up his phone. Wells told Brady he didn't need it. The fact that Brady destroyed the thing is irrelevant, except in terms of public relations.

Wells has the texts Brady exchanged with Jastremski and McNally by virtue of having had complete access to those 2 guys' phones.