Looking like we'll be facing Brady after all

[Nightman]

I respectfully disagree. As the AEI study proved, the balls were within range of where they were predicted to be by the Ideal Gas Law, and that didn't even take into account the potential that the leather stretched when wet.

The NFL has been lying to the public about this since day 1. If the league office lied about the Cowboys 1/10th as much as they lied here, this forum would absolutely lose its collective minds.

No they weren't.

They were all way under any scientific explanation and that is even after being brought back into the heated locker room.

 

[BringBackThatOleTimeBoys]

Shouldn't the same apply to Greg hardy? I read that part of the problem with the NFL investigating players is that it removes the players rights to Due Process.
Hardy was not convicted when he had the right to Due Process yet the NFL convicted him anyway and served as the judge, jury, and executioner.

That's the point.

A victory for Brady is a victory for ALL players, including Greg Hardy. Richard Sherman sees that.

 

[BringBackThatOleTimeBoys]

according to the CBA, what Brady did is worth a fine. On top of that, while I know he's guilty, the evidence tying it to him is really circumstantial.

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according to the CBA, what Brady did is worth a fine. On top of that, while I know he's guilty, the evidence tying it to him is really circumstantial.

For a moment, imagine deep into the playoffs this season, Tony Romo is involved in some kind of penalty. If the commissioner was Paul Tagliabue - it's a fine, but Roger Goodell? No consistency and "more probable than not" overkill. First ever suspension in the playoffs. Sober minds know this CAN happen to Dallas or any other team.

 

[Rogah]

No they weren't.

They were all way under any scientific explanation and that is even after being brought back into the heated locker room.

You are entitled to your own opinions, my friend. You are not, however, entitled to your own facts.

I invite you to do the calculations yourself: P(1)/T(1) = P(2)/T(2). Please tell us all how much they should have deflated.

 

[Rogah]

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For a moment, imagine deep into the playoffs this season, Tony Romo is involved in some kind of penalty. If the commissioner was Paul Tagliabue - it's a fine, but Roger Goodell? No consistency and "more probable than not" overkill. First ever suspension in the playoffs. Sober minds know this CAN happen to Dallas or any other team.

As Steph Stradley eloquently pointed out, that's why other teams should care about this. Every fan should know that if the Commissioner can give such a draconian punishment on the flimsiest of evidence regarding such an inconsequential "crime," and then spend months lying to the public, then their team might be next.

 

[BoysFan4ever]

I know you two would LOVE for the Cowboys to get popped Rogah but it's funny how it's always your beloved Pats caught cheating.

I love these TWILIGHT ZONE scenerios..imagine Tony..imagine Tony in the playoffs..imagine Tony getting suspended..

How about this.
.imagine Tony getting a SB ring. That's alot more plausible.

 

[Rogah]

I know you two would LOVE for the Cowboys to get popped Rogah but it's funny how it's always your beloved Pats caught cheating.

I don't recall the Patriots cheating during the uncapped year. If memory serves, only Dallas and Washington did.

I love these TWILIGHT ZONE scenerios..imagine Tony..imagine Tony in the playoffs..imagine Tony getting suspended..

How about this.
.imagine Tony getting a SB ring. That's alot more plausible.

I've imagined that many times and hope it happens.

 

[BoysFan4ever]

I don't recall the Patriots cheating during the uncapped year. If memory serves, only Dallas and Washington did.
I've imagined that many times and hope it happens.

sure you do. Oh brother

 

[Yakuza Rich]

then we just have to disagree, yes common sense ties Brady to this, but that's about it. you have two guys talk about doing this for Brady, but with out any text from Brady or any video of Brady doing this and it's a weak argument from a legal perspective.

I don't think you know how the legal system works. I'm not trying to be disrespectful, but I just don't think you do. For instance, it is not uncommon for a drug dealer to go thru an intermediary. The intermediary will discuss the deal so the drug dealer doesn't get busted. But, if the prosecutor has texts talking about deal for Drug Dealer X who will supply the drugs for payment. IIRC, this is basically what happened in the Jamal Lewis case...he wasn't actually involved in using his cell phone to make the deal, but he was alluded to being part of the deal. That makes him guilty and that's how he ended up serving 4 months in federal prison.




YR

 

[Rogah]

sure you do. Oh brother

Yes and, if you'd like details, in my imagination I've won the season ticket holder lottery and got to attend the game in person.

 

[Kevinicus]

I don't recall the Patriots cheating during the uncapped year. If memory serves, only Dallas and Washington did.

This explains a lot. You apparently don't understand what the term cheating means.

 

[muck4doo]

Good no excuses when they lose in week 4.

My thoughts exactly. I'd love to see Brady go down with our sack happy defense we have now.

 

[Silver N Blue]

My thoughts exactly. I'd love to see Brady go down with our sack happy defense we have now.

If your going to win it all you might as well take down the best at full strength.

 

[Rogah]

This explains a lot. You apparently don't understand what the term cheating means.

Um, ok.

 

[Manwiththeplan]

I don't think you know how the legal system works. I'm not trying to be disrespectful, but I just don't think you do. For instance, it is not uncommon for a drug dealer to go thru an intermediary. The intermediary will discuss the deal so the drug dealer doesn't get busted. But, if the prosecutor has texts talking about deal for Drug Dealer X who will supply the drugs for payment. IIRC, this is basically what happened in the Jamal Lewis case...he wasn't actually involved in using his cell phone to make the deal, but he was alluded to being part of the deal. That makes him guilty and that's how he ended up serving 4 months in federal prison.




YR

I don't think that's the case, there was at least one witness who said he made a call/was on the phone personally.

Either way, there has to be some evidence besides a third party linking them to the crime. It can't just be he said she said.

 

[muck4doo]

Um, ok.

Hey Rogah, your team is going down. The Cowboys are going to curb stomp your Patsies. Just want you to know that.

 

[Nightman]

I don't think that's the case, there was at least one witness who said he made a call/was on the phone personally.

Either way, there has to be some evidence besides a third party linking them to the crime. It can't just be he said she said.

That is why I cited the RICO law earlier.

This case is not in the same Universe, but the Feds have to use RICO to get mob guys because underlings take the fall and evidence is often circumstantial.

But if you have known associates(text messages), a pay off(shoes and jersey) and a video(Deflator in the bathroom) of the crime you can put the pieces of the conspiracy together.

 

[Nightman]

You are entitled to your own opinions, my friend. You are not, however, entitled to your own facts.

I invite you to do the calculations yourself: P(1)/T(1) = P(2)/T(2). Please tell us all how much they should have deflated.

Even your own BS chart puts 11 of the PATs balls outside of the expected range.....jeeeeesh

 

[Manwiththeplan]

That is why I cited the RICO law earlier.

This case is not in the same Universe, but the Feds have to use RICO to get mob guys because underlings take the fall and evidence is often circumstantial.

But if you have known associates(text messages), a pay off(shoes and jersey) and a video(Deflator in the bathroom) of the crime you can put the pieces of the conspiracy together.

To my knowledge and admittedly, I may be wrong, but no text messages to or from Brady, nothing indicating the "pay off" came from Brady and a video that shows him going into the bathroom with the footballs and no actual evidence that he deflated while in there.

Why can't we all (obviously except Rogah) just admit that we know Brady's guilty, but the case against him is flimsy. In the end the Patriots were docked a first and 4th round pick for a game they would have won anyway, which I'm more than fine with, since it's a lot easier to prove that the organization did something wrong, than to point blame on Brady, Bellicheck or Craft.

 

[Nightman]

To my knowledge and admittedly, I may be wrong, but no text messages to or from Brady, nothing indicating the "pay off" came from Brady and a video that shows him going into the bathroom with the footballs and no actual evidence that he deflated while in there.

Why can't we all (obviously except Rogah) just admit that we know Brady's guilty, but the case against him is flimsy. In the end the Patriots were docked a first and 4th round pick for a game they would have won anyway, which I'm more than fine with, since it's a lot easier to prove that the organization did something wrong, than to point blame on Brady, Bellicheck or Craft.

The co-conspirators name Brady directly. Brady signed shoes and balls for the Deflator. The video shows the balls illegally being removed from the officials supervision, they were actively looking for him because he is supposed to walk out the bag of balls in sight of the refs.......PLUS all the balls were severely under-inflated. Those are facts.

The ball boys were fired, Brady destroyed his phone, Kraft took the harsh penalty. Only Brady is fighting because why wouldn't he. He has nothing to lose and everything to gain. He has national writers like Mike Florio and Bill Simmons carrying his water and he is already seen a legend. This is NOT a court of law. It is a CBA driven arbitration and it is not beyond a reasonable doubt.