Looks like Emmitt saw what Randle and many of us saw

[mldardy]

well if he had got 2500, that would have been 6.37 yd per carry on 392, and I dont think anyone can carry that many and avg that.
Emmitt is mad murray broke his record.
lets look at emmitt's big year
1995

• DAL

16 games377 carries1,773 4.7avg6 fumbles ! what! I thought only murray was the fumbler!
murray 16 392 1,845 4.7 3 both sites had murray with 3 fumbles?
so in their best year they were very similar, but fans today say emmitt was great and murray was a bum ! lol
Emmitt fumbles 6 times and hey its ok buddy!
murray fumbles 6 times and hey lets get rid of the bum!
in first 4 years
Emmitt had 4.5 avg
Murray had 4.8 avg
barber had 4.3 avg
julius jones 3.95 avg
felix jones 4.5 avg..... left year 1 off only 30 carries 8.9 avg, and 5 years 4.4 avg.

So who had the best avg? the guy with bad vision, too slow, and was a bum!

No he's not. The guy has gone on record saying he had no problem and was happy for Murray: http://www.star-telegram.com/sports/nfl/dallas-cowboys/cowboys-corner-blog/article10536176.html

Furthermore if you are trying to compare Emmitt and Murray in anyway shape or form you need to GTFOH with that nonsense. I don't care what kind of stats you want to post our here about Emmitt's 1995 there is no way Murray will ever come close to what Emmitt did for this franchise.

 

[guag]

Probably so. We hate Philly so we want to diminish the back. However, some were already diminishing his accomplishments before he left, so I don't think it's all about that. I think some focus on the imperfections with any player, overlooking the things that made the player great (and yes, Murray was great last season).

Those fumbles of his hurt a lot, and a number of them came at bad times (but then again, when isn't it a bad time to fumble?). I also remember some people dismissing him before he was gone, and I think a lot of that had to do with his fumblitis. Turning the ball over too much is almost a mortal sin in football, and when a fumble swings the momentum of the game drastically, it can make you forget about all the good things the player has done. In the eyes of some, his fumbles cost us game(s), and I think that might have forever tainted him to those folks.

 

[gimmesix]

And many believe that given how much he was handed the ball he would have been little more judicious with contact. Its one thing to be tackled at the end of a play its another to seek out to be tackled. I would have taken some of those clean 5 yard extras he had passed up to truck players in return more explosiveness at the end of the year.

I think if you go back and look at the season, there are very few times when Murray actually sought to truck players over picking up a few extra yards. I don't think he was the best decision maker in the open field, but what he did between the tackles is what made him a great back last year.

Would I like to have it all? Sure. Find me a back who gives that to me and I'll take him.

 

[big dog cowboy]

It is quite disturbing how desperate some are to downplay Murray's abilities and achievements in order to somehow legitimize letting the offensive player of the year walk away for nothing.

The exact opposite is just as true.

 

[gimmesix]

Those fumbles of his hurt a lot, and a number of them came at bad times (but then again, when isn't it a bad time to fumble?). I also remember some people dismissing him before he was gone, and I think a lot of that had to do with his fumblitis. Turning the ball over too much is almost a mortal sin in football, and when a fumble swings the momentum of the game drastically, it can make you forget about all the good things the player has done. In the eyes of some, his fumbles cost us game(s), and I think that might have forever tainted him to those folks.

I do agree that fumbling was a big issue, especially since nothing was done to correct it. If he had not lost the fumble at Green Bay, it might be overlooked, but that just provided the topper for the problem.

And I hope it continues to be an issue this year, especially when he faces us. However, I do try to keep it in context of what was done by Murray.

The year Jamal Anderson carried the ball 410 times for Atlanta, he fumbled 5 times. Eddie George also had 5 fumbles the year he carried the ball 403 times. DandyDon mentioned Emmitt's 6 fumbles on 377 carries. Ricky Williams had 7 on 392 carries. It seems that backs like Larry Johnson fumbling just 2 times on 416 carries or Terrell Davis (2 on 392) is the aberration and not the norm.

 

[guag]

The year Jamal Anderson carried the ball 410 times for Atlanta, he fumbled 5 times. Eddie George also had 5 fumbles the year he carried the ball 403 times. DandyDon mentioned Emmitt's 6 fumbles on 377 carries. Ricky Williams had 7 on 392 carries. It seems that backs like Larry Johnson fumbling just 2 times on 416 carries or Terrell Davis (2 on 392) is the aberration and not the norm.

True. The thing that probably made the fumbles more frustrating was that he lost every one of them. I'm not sure what the norm is regrading ratio of fumbles/fumbles lost for RBs, but 5/5 is bad luck.

 

[CowboyRoy]

There is no doubt that Murray missed a lot of opportunities for longer, better runs... but Emmitt seems to contradict himself here. If he maximized his chances then he wouldn't have left yards on the field.

Unless he means that literally, Murray did the best he could but he just didn't have the ability to see or make the cut backs.

Yep, that was my take. Murray did what he could, but that is all he could do. We basically just saw the best season Murray could possibly be capable of with all factors being 100% in his favor. Great offense, great Oline, the opportunity to run it 400 times, 16 games played.

 

[CowboyRoy]

I thought it was a little ironic that this was coming from a guy who wasn't exactly able to reach daylight as often as it was in front of him. Not putting down Emmitt at all, but he obviously didn't have elite speed and therefore couldn't outrun some defenders. He left yards on the field too... it is what it is. Find me a RB that doesn't leave yards on the field and was more than a one hit wonder.

I didnt take anyones critiquing of Murray as anything to do with taking it to the house or top end speed. He simply missed the right holes and couldnt make the moves to pick up more yards. Instead of running into daylight left, he ran right for 5 yards where he could have gotten 15 if he hit the right hole quicker. Or he ran over a guy for 5 yards instead of juking him and then picking up another 20. Murray ran towards contact, not away or around it.

 

[CowboyRoy]

I do agree that fumbling was a big issue, especially since nothing was done to correct it. If he had not lost the fumble at Green Bay, it might be overlooked, but that just provided the topper for the problem.

And I hope it continues to be an issue this year, especially when he faces us. However, I do try to keep it in context of what was done by Murray.

The year Jamal Anderson carried the ball 410 times for Atlanta, he fumbled 5 times. Eddie George also had 5 fumbles the year he carried the ball 403 times. DandyDon mentioned Emmitt's 6 fumbles on 377 carries. Ricky Williams had 7 on 392 carries. It seems that backs like Larry Johnson fumbling just 2 times on 416 carries or Terrell Davis (2 on 392) is the aberration and not the norm.

Part of all the fumbles goes back to what we talked about............average vision. Part of having great vision is feeling your way or seeing what's around you. If you cant see them to run the right way, you cant see them tackling you from the side either.

 

[starfrombirth]

I saw Murray gain a lot of yards that other tailbacks would not have gained.

I'll just leave it at that.





YR

And I saw him miss a lot of yards that MOST other running backs would have gotten.... so.......

 

[jrumann59]

True. The thing that probably made the fumbles more frustrating was that he lost every one of them. I'm not sure what the norm is regrading ratio of fumbles/fumbles lost for RBs, but 5/5 is bad luck.

do not forget the 3 or 4 he lost along the sideline as he was being tackled.

 

[gimmesix]

Part of all the fumbles goes back to what we talked about............average vision. Part of having great vision is feeling your way or seeing what's around you. If you cant see them to run the right way, you cant see them tackling you from the side either.

I thought most of Murray's fumbling issues had to do with not keeping the ball high and tight. Some of that might be running style because he fights for extra yardage and runs "out of control" (or maybe out of balance) at times. In the games I've gone back and rewatched, I don't think any of them was a vision issue. (The first one against San Francisco was pulled out while he was fighting for extra yardage. Against Tennessee, it was a fluke that Street's elbow just happened to hit the ball just right. ...)

I don't think the one against Green Bay was a vision issue, either. I not sure how he could have seen Peppers diving back into the play, but because he was not completely clear of traffic yet, he should have had that ball tucked against his body.

 

[CATCH17]

And I saw him miss a lot of yards that MOST other running backs would have gotten.... so.......

The extra he would have gotten were mostly 3 and 4 extra yards.

The runs he left on the field were huge chunks.

 

[Fletch]

Emmitt isn't talking about being chased down from behind, besides Emmitt hold records in TDs and yards

Emmitt took care of his body on and off the field (longevity) and had supreme vision.

DM had neither.

 

[Redball Express]

I just take his comments as Pro Cowboy and not anti-Murray.

I mean Emmitt had the career..

Murray is still learning what it takes to have that target on his back.

All questions will be answered for everybody.

I think ..Murray will do OK and so will we.

 

[CT Dal Fan]

If Murray didn't leave all those yards on the field he would've easily broke the NFL single season rushing record last year. But I doubt the uproar over Dallas not resigning him would've been any louder than it already has been.

I read online somewhere that the Eagles plan to limit Murray to about 17 carries per game. That's getting your $9 million worth.

 

[Nightman]

I just take his comments as Pro Cowboy and not anti-Murray.

I mean Emmitt had the career..

Murray is still learning what it takes to have that target on his back.

All questions will be answered for everybody.

I think ..Murray will do OK and so will we.

Cheap shots and sour grapes from a guy that had his record broken, imo

Telling a RB he only got 70% of the available yards is insulting

 

[LittleBoyBlue]

Considering he carried the ball almost 600 times more than anyone else and was often chased down by DLs for lack of foot speed (particularly after the last SB)... I would say Emmitt probably left more yards on the field than anyone in NFL history. So I'd consider him a subject matter expert.

I guess you believe you have a good argument there. I don't see it though.

Emmitt isn't talking about being chased down from behind, besides Emmitt hold records in TDs and yards

Like.... Yeah!

 

[DandyDon52]

Cheap shots and sour grapes from a guy that had his record broken, imo

Telling a RB he only got 70% of the available yards is insulting

yeah it seems insulting, and by saying that he implied the dallas current OL is the best line in history of football, and better than his SB line was.
Otherwise Emmitt would have had 2500 yards.
I find it odd that he would say any back behind any line should gain 2500 yards, when no one has ever got near a total like that.

 

[Bigrandrn]

Put Collins at RT and mcfadden and randle both will have have gaping holes to run through. If they add a little weight 5-10 lbs, ****, we will have a rushing attack unseen!