Looks like Emmitt saw what Randle and many of us saw

[Thefeelofcotton]

There was times when I would expect Murray to cut one way to gain another 4-5 yards but instead he'd pile forward for a yard or two. That I never understood. Granted, I've never played rb (I was OK in high school), but you need better vision when holes are there to run through.

 

[joseephuss]

Welcome to 2015. There's no stretch to it. Murray fumbles the ball every 92 touches. Peterson once every 114. That's a fact. Peterson's "fumbling problems" were pretty much reeled in back in 2010 (weird) when he fumbled a grand total of 1 time in 319 touches. The following season? He fumbled 1 more time on 226 more touches (best in the entire NFL over that stretch). 2012 and 2013 he "came back to Earth" and fumbled 9 times over the span of those two seasons. An average of 4.5 per year. Still less than Murray's final season in Dallas.

And, by the way, no one said that Peterson would be at his very best in 2015, or 2016, or 2017. No one even mentioned "record breaking success". The fact is, that Adrian Peterson is a better running back TODAY in EVERY aspect of the game than Murray who is 3 years younger. That's not hyperbole or opinion. It's a fact. Murray isn't in Peterson's class (though he's not as far behind as many people think). To equate having either one on a team as being equal is, in fact, stupid.

No, that is not a fact. That is a random stat you conjured up by only looking at certain years out of Peterson. He fumbles the ball once every 73.5 touches in his career. That is an actual fact. You say his average of 4.5 fumbles per season is less than the 5 Murray had in 2014, but ignore the amount of touches Peterson had over that span. He fumbled it once every 77 touches over those last 2 full seasons. See how I can manipulate the data, too. If anyone thinks Murray has a fumbling problem, then they can't ignore that Peterson has had the same problem or worse for his career.

You are kidding if you think no one was saying Peterson would be at his best right now. There are plenty of people that think Peterson would run for monster and/or record breaking numbers behind the Cowboys line. It has been mentioned many times in the multiple threads about Peterson. The only way he could do that is if he were at his best.

It isn't a fact that Peterson is better than Murray right now. It is only speculation and opinion. It is okay to have that opinion, but it is in no way an actual fact.

 

[Blackspider214]

It's not always about the big plays. Can Randle make 3 yards from 1 yard. 4 from 2? Those are big. And the tough yards on 3rd and short. As well as pass blocking as not to get Romo killed.

 

[GimmeTheBall!]

GO RANDLE!
VIVA LA RANDLE!

Don't question me, I ride with the King.

GO RANDLE!
VIVA LA RANDLE!

Don't question me, I ride with the King.

So there i was at shakespeares bar nursing mein beer, looking nervously at 6th street. I left and headed to Doby Mall to see mein braided UT maiden in short khaki pants and we walked down congress. We saw a sign that said "Randle aint squat and we never had it so good with Murray." You so disappoint me Corso. dont make me cry no more!

 

[DandyDon52]

Put Collins at RT and mcfadden and randle both will have have gaping holes to run through. If they add a little weight 5-10 lbs, ****, we will have a rushing attack unseen!

lol do they still need to pass at all? or just run every play.

 

[DandyDon52]

Understood.

But if anybody would know..it would be the All Time Rushing Champ..

No?

Emmitt stood the test of time and I respect what he implies.

Emmitt never left for the money like Murray did..he understood his legacy as a Cowboy.

It wasn't until the team no longer wanted him based on cap and other team needs that he was gone.

I see things a bit differently. That's all.

LOL you just contradicted yourself !
Dallas paid emmitt top dollar after his holdout, had they not, he would have been gone too.

 

[DandyDon52]

Murray saw holes at the LOS but for some reason he couldn't see glaring spaces when he got in the open field.

that is true, at least part of the time. I liked murray , but he did some odd things once past LOS.

 

[sideon]

that is true, at least part of the time. I liked murray , but he did some odd things once past LOS.

I liked Murray too but they were right to not pay a RB with no home run speed 40mil.

 

[Toruk_Makto]

No, that is not a fact. That is a random stat you conjured up by only looking at certain years out of Peterson. He fumbles the ball once every 73.5 touches in his career. That is an actual fact. You say his average of 4.5 fumbles per season is less than the 5 Murray had in 2014, but ignore the amount of touches Peterson had over that span. He fumbled it once every 77 touches over those last 2 full seasons. See how I can manipulate the data, too. If anyone thinks Murray has a fumbling problem, then they can't ignore that Peterson has had the same problem or worse for his career.

You are kidding if you think no one was saying Peterson would be at his best right now. There are plenty of people that think Peterson would run for monster and/or record breaking numbers behind the Cowboys line. It has been mentioned many times in the multiple threads about Peterson. The only way he could do that is if he were at his best.

It isn't a fact that Peterson is better than Murray right now. It is only speculation and opinion. It is okay to have that opinion, but it is in no way an actual fact.

I'll take Peterson's "fumbling problem" if it comes with all the other things he's much better than Murray at.

Like this is a stupid conversation. One rb is an athletic freak who is the best rb of his generation.

The other I'd a guy his team just let walk for 2m a year.

Those are the facts.

 

[gimmesix]

No, that is not a fact. That is a random stat you conjured up by only looking at certain years out of Peterson. He fumbles the ball once every 73.5 touches in his career. That is an actual fact. You say his average of 4.5 fumbles per season is less than the 5 Murray had in 2014, but ignore the amount of touches Peterson had over that span. He fumbled it once every 77 touches over those last 2 full seasons. See how I can manipulate the data, too. If anyone thinks Murray has a fumbling problem, then they can't ignore that Peterson has had the same problem or worse for his career.

I think when it comes to fumbles, it's best to look at now instead of historic numbers, because things change. Some backs get looser with the ball while others get a grip.

Murray had a fumbling problem last year. The problem wasn't the number of times he fumbled (5 in 392 carries is not really that bad). The problem was why he fumbled, because of the way he was carrying the ball. We're really fortunate he didn't fumble more than he did ... and he probably deserves some credit there for having a strong grip that kept the ball from being knocked loose more than it was.

I do not know if Peterson has a fumbling problem. It appears that he did in 2008 and 2009, then fixed it in 2010. However, his fumbles did increase in 2012 and 2013. (Again, I don't necessarily consider 4 fumbles in 348 carries bad, or even 5 in 279, depending on the cause of the fumbles.) Without going back and looking at why he fumbled (fluke? fighting for yardage? holding the ball too loosely? not switching hands?), I don't think it can really be determined if there's a problem now like there is with Murray.

All I really do know is Murray did not adjust his carrying style to keep fumbling from being an issue, which helped produce his final fumble against Green Bay. (Tighter against the body and Peppers couldn't have knocked it out.) And I hope Murray doesn't get it figured out this year because he could end up being a bigger fumbler than he was last year, which would be good for us now.

 

[Doomsday101]

So Emmit saw what I saw, but when i say it, Murray was the be all end all at RB for this team. He didnt leave yards on the field, has great vision, and top end speed. Im glad a 3 time superbowl winner is saying exactly what i said.

But did you agree with Emmitt on this statement?

For all of Murray’s success with the Cowboys last season, there are still questions marks about giving him a lucrative long-term deal.
Nobody knows how much of Murray’s success was because of the stout offensive line, and nobody knows how Murray will rebound from the heavy workload of 2014.
Smith chuckled at the initial notion that the Cowboys could plug anyone in and have success running the ball behind an offensive line that that features three Pro Bowlers in left tackle Tyron Smith, center Travis Frederick and right guard Zack Martin.
“Who’s thought process is that? That’s the media’s thought process?” Smith said. “That’s the arm chair quarterback, that’s the couch coach and everybody else.
“Just because you have a great offensive line, you’ve got to have a special kind of person behind it.”

Read more here: http://www.star-telegram.com/sports...orner-blog/article10536176.html#storylink=cpy

 

[Corso]

So there i was at shakespeares bar nursing mein beer, looking nervously at 6th street. I left and headed to Doby Mall to see mein braided UT maiden in short khaki pants and we walked down congress. We saw a sign that said "Randle aint squat and we never had it so good with Murray." You so disappoint me Corso. dont make me cry no more!

Yeah, but... that's Austin.

 

[TheCount]

It's not always about the big plays. Can Randle make 3 yards from 1 yard. 4 from 2? Those are big. And the tough yards on 3rd and short. As well as pass blocking as not to get Romo killed.

There's only one way to find out.

 

[GimmeTheBall!]

Yeah, but... that's Austin.

OK, the tears half dried and . . . and . . . Randle still aint squat.

 

[DandyDon52]

I liked Murray too but they were right to not pay a RB with no home run speed 40mil.

If it got them a SB win it would have been worth it.
Romo, Dez, other players, and Garrett all wanted to keep Murray, he was part of the chemistry, and formula, and he had built a reputation.
Now that is gone.
I am not saying they cant do good with other RB, but the players felt they were close to SB run with murray. It was a mental thing.
But he is gone, so they have to deal with it , who knows what will happen this year with run game?
If they had kept murray they would know, now they dont.
I think the other nfc east teams are happy murray is not a cowboy now. The giants and skins still have to play him , but it wont be the same
as if he was with cowboys.
I might add here that murray may have screwed up by not staying here, he had a good thing going here , but went for the extra 8 mil G.
Only time will tell if he or the cowboys, or maybe both screwed up, or did the right thing.

 

[Bigrandrn]

lol do they still need to pass at all? or just run every play.

We can still pass on erbody all day, but I think McFadden and randel can do murrays job behind this line for sure!

 

[GimmeTheBall!]

We can still pass on erbody all day, but I think McFadden and randel can do murrays job behind this line for sure!

And the Raiders didn't know what they had in McFatten and Randle is a honest man.

 

[fredp22]

LT chimes in..agrees with Emmitt

"As a guy that watches a lot of film, Emmitt is correct,” Tomlinson said, via DFW.com. “There was a lot of times, and DeMarco is a very physical runner and instead of making that last guy miss and taking it for 50 or 60, he would try and run him over. That’s just his style and he would end up getting tackled for 20 instead of 50. So Emmitt is right in that sense, but at the same time, one thing that I do respect about DeMarco is he knows his strengths

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http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.co...ut-demarco-murray/?ocid=Yahoo&partner=ya5nbcs

 

[Nightman]

LT chimes in..agrees with Emmitt

"As a guy that watches a lot of film, Emmitt is correct,” Tomlinson said, via DFW.com. “There was a lot of times, and DeMarco is a very physical runner and instead of making that last guy miss and taking it for 50 or 60, he would try and run him over. That’s just his style and he would end up getting tackled for 20 instead of 50. So Emmitt is right in that sense, but at the same time, one thing that I do respect about DeMarco is he knows his strengths

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http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.co...ut-demarco-murray/?ocid=Yahoo&partner=ya5nbcs

Two idiots who could sure run the football, but are terrible as members of the media

 

[fredp22]

Two idiots who could sure run the football, but are terrible as members of the media

agree but i respect either ones comments about the running back position