Looks like Emmitt saw what Randle and many of us saw

[Redball Express]

Cheap shots and sour grapes from a guy that had his record broken, imo

Telling a RB he only got 70% of the available yards is insulting

Understood.

But if anybody would know..it would be the All Time Rushing Champ..

No?

Emmitt stood the test of time and I respect what he implies.

Emmitt never left for the money like Murray did..he understood his legacy as a Cowboy.

It wasn't until the team no longer wanted him based on cap and other team needs that he was gone.

I see things a bit differently. That's all.

 

[joseephuss]

Understood.

But if anybody would know..it would be the All Time Rushing Champ..

No?

Emmitt stood the test of time and I respect what he implies.

Emmitt never left for the money like Murray did..he understood his legacy as a Cowboy.

It wasn't until the team no longer wanted him based on cap and other team needs that he was gone.

I see things a bit differently. That's all.

That is a silly argument. Dallas was willing to give Emmitt the money he wanted. Had the Cowboys not been willing to pay him, Emmitt would have looked at other options.

 

[Rogerthat12]

One thing we know about Emmitt. He was much much better as a runner than he's ever been at communicating with words.

"You cannot change the stripes of a leopard"...Emmitt!

 

[sideon]

Emmitt didn't have top end speed either. Murray likely had more top end speed than Emmitt... but Murray just didn't see the holes and the cutbacks anywhere close to the way Emmitt did.

Murray saw holes at the LOS but for some reason he couldn't see glaring spaces when he got in the open field.

 

[Redball Express]

That is a silly argument. Dallas was willing to give Emmitt the money he wanted. Had the Cowboys not been willing to pay him, Emmitt would have looked at other options.

I thought that was why he went to Arizona..no?

The Cowboys were clearing off Deion's contract and then Emmitt's.

They just about had to at the time.

Maybe I missed something..

 

[joseephuss]

I thought that was why he went to Arizona..no?

The Cowboys were clearing off Deion's contract and then Emmitt's.

They just about had to at the time.

Maybe I missed something..

In his prime Dallas was willing to pay Emmitt what he wanted, so he didn't have to look other places or "leave for the money" the way Murray did. Sure when Emmitt was at the end of his career Dallas no longer was willing to pay him. Notice that Emmitt didn't try taking a little less money and go to a decent team. He went to a bad team because they offered him the most money. That and his hold outs as a rookie and again in 1993 shows that money did matter quite a bit to Emmitt. If Dallas wasn't willing to pay him during his peak years and he hit free agency he very well could have been gone. Dallas paid him. They didn't pay Murray and I don't think that is a bad thing.

 

[Satchel89]

I absolutely agree with Emmitt and Randle. Murray is a good running back, I'm not going to totally dismiss him but Randle hit the holes hard and fast. I know we seen a small sample size but the guy had way more burst to his game than Murray. I like McFadden's speed behind this line too. These guys are going to hit the homeruns that Murray couldn't.

 

[skinsscalper]

Peterson probably would have fumbled the ball as well since he has had more of a fumbling problem than Murray has during their respective careers.

I don't think Peterson could have handled the workload that Murray did last season. Peterson's top season was 388 touches. That is a big difference compared to the 449 touches Murray put up in 2014.

False from every single angle.

In the last 4 full seasons for each player:

Murray touched the ball 1105 times (rushing and receiving) with 12 fumbles. That's a fumble for every 92 touches.

Peterson touched the ball 1262 times (rushing and receiving) with 11 fumbles. That's a fumble for every 114 touches.

HUGE difference.

Peterson wouldn't have needed to touch the ball 449 times. He breaks off runs for much larger chunks of yardage than Murray ever will. Oh and, by the way, that season that Peterson ONLY touched the ball 388 times? He gained MORE yards on 53 LESS touches (a full two games worth of touches for an average back). In fact, for that season, he gained 2097 yards alone on the ground on 348 rushes. Murray needed 392 touches to fall short of Peterson's total by 252 yards running behind a vastly superior line than anything Peterson has ever taken the field with.

I liked Murray, too. But let's back the train out of Stupidville for just a sec.

 

[DFWJC]

Understood.

But if anybody would know..it would be the All Time Rushing Champ..

No?

Emmitt stood the test of time and I respect what he implies.

Emmitt never left for the money like Murray did..he understood his legacy as a Cowboy.

It wasn't until the team no longer wanted him based on cap and other team needs that he was gone.

I see things a bit differently. That's all.

Emmitt was great

But if the money was't there, for SURE, Emmitt is finding it elsewhere.
This is a guy who held out while still under contract and watched the team lose two games, so he could get them to bust his current deal and give him more money.

And this is a guy who always focused individual stats. Not saying he wasn't about the team too, but Emmitt was certainly about Emmitt.

 

[WPBCowboysFan]

Don't complain to others about your troubles. Half of them don't care and the other half are glad.

Emmitt Smith

 

[joseephuss]

False from every single angle.

In the last 4 full seasons for each player:

Murray touched the ball 1105 times (rushing and receiving) with 12 fumbles. That's a fumble for every 92 touches.

Peterson touched the ball 1262 times (rushing and receiving) with 11 fumbles. That's a fumble for every 114 touches.

HUGE difference.

Peterson wouldn't have needed to touch the ball 449 times. He breaks off runs for much larger chunks of yardage than Murray ever will. Oh and, by the way, that season that Peterson ONLY touched the ball 388 times? He gained MORE yards on 53 LESS touches (a full two games worth of touches for an average back). In fact, for that season, he gained 2097 yards alone on the ground on 348 rushes. Murray needed 392 touches to fall short of Peterson's total by 252 yards running behind a vastly superior line than anything Peterson has ever taken the field with.

I liked Murray, too. But let's back the train out of Stupidville for just a sec.

You sure did stretch the use of stats to try to prove Peterson doesn't have a fumbling issue. The guy is loose with the ball. The 2010 and 2011 seasons were abnormal years for him with respect to fumbles. The majority of his career he puts the ball on the ground. He fumbles it more than Murray. If Murray has a fumbling problem then so does Peterson and the career stats prove that.

There is nothing stupid about it. Peterson isn't a young guy any more. Expecting him to be at his very best either last season or this season is folly. If Dallas could have had Peterson in his prime last season or this season that would be different. He isn't, so it is reasonable not to expect record breaking success from him no matter where he is playing.

 

[Yakuza Rich]

And I saw him miss a lot of yards that MOST other running backs would have gotten.... so.......

So it evens out.

And he is what he is.

The guy that has the all time rushing yards in one season for the Cowboys.





YR

 

[GimmeTheBall!]

uneal.
Murray go 1,800 yrds, he be a good role model and all off the sudden he's pretty much worthless?

I feel like I am in the twilight zone and rod serling is wearing a shiny suit and smoking a Parliament and laffing manicaly next to me.

unreal.
All you mens who trash a good young mans like MURRAY YOU SHOULD BE ASHAMED AT YOURSELVES AND BE CAP-SLAPPED BT DEZ'S MAMA!
And Randle you underwear theif you cant carry Murray's Eagles shouldr pads, you CFL-quality RB.

 

[skinsscalper]

You sure did stretch the use of stats to try to prove Peterson doesn't have a fumbling issue. The guy is loose with the ball. The 2010 and 2011 seasons were abnormal years for him with respect to fumbles. The majority of his career he puts the ball on the ground. He fumbles it more than Murray. If Murray has a fumbling problem then so does Peterson and the career stats prove that.

There is nothing stupid about it. Peterson isn't a young guy any more. Expecting him to be at his very best either last season or this season is folly. If Dallas could have had Peterson in his prime last season or this season that would be different. He isn't, so it is reasonable not to expect record breaking success from him no matter where he is playing.

Welcome to 2015. There's no stretch to it. Murray fumbles the ball every 92 touches. Peterson once every 114. That's a fact. Peterson's "fumbling problems" were pretty much reeled in back in 2010 (weird) when he fumbled a grand total of 1 time in 319 touches. The following season? He fumbled 1 more time on 226 more touches (best in the entire NFL over that stretch). 2012 and 2013 he "came back to Earth" and fumbled 9 times over the span of those two seasons. An average of 4.5 per year. Still less than Murray's final season in Dallas.

And, by the way, no one said that Peterson would be at his very best in 2015, or 2016, or 2017. No one even mentioned "record breaking success". The fact is, that Adrian Peterson is a better running back TODAY in EVERY aspect of the game than Murray who is 3 years younger. That's not hyperbole or opinion. It's a fact. Murray isn't in Peterson's class (though he's not as far behind as many people think). To equate having either one on a team as being equal is, in fact, stupid.

 

[skinsscalper]

That is a silly argument. Dallas was willing to give Emmitt the money he wanted. Had the Cowboys not been willing to pay him, Emmitt would have looked at other options.

Fact. Dallas actually offered Emmitt more money to stay than he made in Arizona. Emmitt didn't want to have to earn his roster spot. With Bill Parcells in town, Emmitt knew that his spot would have to be earned rather than handed to him. joseephus is spot on, here.

 

[GimmeTheBall!]

Understood.

But if anybody would know..it would be the All Time Rushing Champ..

No?

Emmitt stood the test of time and I respect what he implies.

Emmitt never left for the money like Murray did..he understood his legacy as a Cowboy.

It wasn't until the team no longer wanted him based on cap and other team needs that he was gone.

I see things a bit differently. That's all.

Emmitt never left for the money? He held out for money while a Cowboy. Then' washed up like kanye west he took minimal money just to massage his ego. wering a stupid rd jersy.
He might have been a diamond at one time but the last time i saw him an average defense stopped him for negative yardage. So you, Emmitt, and your soulmate Randle just stphu and let Murray play.

 

[ccb04]

What I appreciated about Murray was his well rounded game & attitude. He grew into a player willing to get the 'dirty yards' consistently...as he was previously knocked for going out of bounds, etc. in previous seasons.

In addition to having exceptional vision...Emmitt was also extremely durable, something Murray obviously hasn't been. It was mentioned that Emmitt had nearly 600 more touches than anyone else. While it was framed in the context of yards left on the field, it also certainly further illustrates just how tough & durable he was. Emmitt didn't have speed coming out of college...Murray did. But Emmitt had such a great overall skill set...not to mention incredible desire & durability. I'll never forget that game vs. the Giants...that perfectly painted the portrait of the kind of player he was.

 

[jobberone]

I went back over the games only and Murray is a pretty good back. He's getting yards with the same OL for the most part as the others. His vision isn't the best in the open field but remember when you carry the ball that much you get TIRED. I've only seen a few backs carry the ball and not drop off much. And only two I can remember who just seemed to get stronger....Riggins and Brown. I've felt he needed to be in a bit better shape and maybe he could have finished some runs better rather than falling down. But by and large he will get you some yardage.

I'm less confident after watching most of the games than I was previously. I still think we will find a good running game.

 

[gimmesix]

I absolutely agree with Emmitt and Randle. Murray is a good running back, I'm not going to totally dismiss him but Randle hit the holes hard and fast. I know we seen a small sample size but the guy had way more burst to his game than Murray. I like McFadden's speed behind this line too. These guys are going to hit the homeruns that Murray couldn't.

The question is would you take the guy who bats .500 and never hits a home run or the guy who bats .200 and hits some home runs?

I hope we have RBs who can do both, but if I had to choose, I'd go for consistency over a few big plays. If you can't pick up third-and-2 on a regular basis or pick up 3 to 4 yards on at least 50 percent of your first-down runs, you're no good to me. If you're consistently stopped behind the line or for minimum gain, but buoy your average around a few long runs, you're no good to me.

Murray's strength was his consistency that allowed Dallas to not have to abandon the run.

 

[Corso]

GO RANDLE!
VIVA LA RANDLE!

Don't question me, I ride with the King.